Anyone else as worried about these generals coming out as I am?

[NNN0LHI]

Sonuvabitch! These guys are not telling everything they know and want to say. You need to read between the lines here. These guys are telling us that with the nuts in charge of this country we are all in big trouble. They have not told us the half of it. Has anyone else come to this conclusion yet?

Don

[mr_hat]

1. Yeah. Whatever happened to "don't ask, don't tell"?

[NotGivingUp]

2. The thought did occur to me.

[HereSince1628]

3. I'm only worried no one will pay attention to them.

[Junkdrawer]

4. Failing On Purpose in Iraq?...fomenting civil war to weaken the...

Iraqi people's resistance to outside rule and perpetuating the US presence. Seems to me that Murtha and the generals don't seem to like this strategy.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

5. Yes. I do believe that the warmongers are at it again.

After listening to yesterday's Democracy Now when one of the Generals said again (also said it on talk shows) that we are already IN IRAN.

Followed by listening to General Wes Clark's Clarkcast alert in support of the generals, and hearing his tone of voice as well as words.

I do believe there is much more, I do believe that the warmongers are at it again.

If only we could impeach now.

[Ian David]

8. What are the chances of a mutiny with forces standing-down against orders?

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

9. I don't know. I do seem to recall soldiers refusing orders during Vietnam

and so who knows?

Don't I wish.

[kansasblue]

14. New movie out about that called 'Sir, no Sir!'

details the stories of soldier mutiny in Vietnam and here and home. I'm not encouraging it at all. But we need to help make sure the govt is making the right, fair decision for our troops.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

17. Yep. You know when there's been a non-stop campaign

by this administration to make everyone believe up is down and in is out, things get odd.

I mean when leadership is this corrupt, then the soldier's duty to say no to an illegal order becomes especially important.

There isn't much that is fair in the way this admin treats people who disagree with them, unfortunately.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

27. I just heard today in the news that movie is just newly out. Has

anyone seen it yet? How is it?

[bleedingheart]

6. Yes I am....it is very scary.

[HereSince1628]

11. Scared of what? Remember the mendacious bastards in the WH run on fear

it is their most important tool. It creates the political climate that enables all the rest of their deviousness.

I am not afraid of the generals or what they have to say. I am worried about just how the minions of the unitary executive, commander-in-chief, and "leader" of the free-world will respond.

That response could make what happened to Joe Wilson and his wife look like a children's disagreement in a sandbox.

[BlooInBloo]

16. It IS scary, and it's OK to be scared...

... so long as the fear doesn't result in *paralysis*.

It's the paralysis brought on by fear that they count on, NOT the fear itself per se.

[HereSince1628]

22. My question is what is scary? Ret. generals exercising free speech?

I'm really not scared of that.

Scared that they know just how bad it really is? Scared there is much more deviousness and incompetence eating its way through the military? Well, maybe there is something frightful there, but it's the sort of fright we must be willing to face and stamp out.

But we need to be careful about using pronouns with indefinite and unexplained antecedents. What is really the "it" that we should be afraid of?

If the reichwingers get to spin "it." It will be fear of insubordinate generals and the possibility of mutiny in the military. The entire propaganda machine is going to do everything it can to keep the "scary" truth from being revealed.

If fear sends us into "duck and cover" mode those who are destroying the nation get a free pass to suppress all that the nation must know in order to avoid dictatorship and to get back on the right track.

Truth and openness are a necessary disinfectant which democratic republics must apply regularly as a matter of political hygiene.

[European Socialist]

7. They are warning us about Chimp/ Cheney as well.

[Minnesota Libra]

10. Oh yes - came to that conclusion long ago - they are only hitting.......

....the very tip of the iceberg. Yeah, I'd say we are in deep dodo.

[walldude]

12. Hell yeah.. when the military starts turning on you

you have serious problems. These guys are GENERALS. That means they have spent their entire lives being programmed by the military to follow orders and respect their commanders. For them to come out like this is almost against their core values. It can't be easy for them...

[Ilsa]

13. Yeah, I posted a thread about this the day Newbold came out.

The consensus in DU seems to be that they think these PNAC people are warmongerers and we should be careful to make sure they don't start a world war.

[Zorra]

15. The generals are pointing out what should be obvious to anyone

with an IQ above 5.

The people in charge of our government are dangerous lunatics, and they are a grave and imminent threat to our national security.

[Jim Warren]

18. Yes and yes

It's creeping into my first-in-the-morning-after-waking-up thoughts. These men are GENERALS, career military, oath to the Constitution guys. They pledge to carry out orders from the OFFICE of the CIC, not to some power mad Commodus. That's why they all, to the man, said RUMSFELD must go. They had to wait to retire to say anything yet they still cannot speak against the CIC and can only speak against the civilian running the DOD. Make no mistake, they know a lot more and only hope by bringing down Rummy they afflict substantial collateral damage to the whole administration.

[NNN0LHI]

24. I have been around some career military men

They pride themselves on not saying shit even when they have a mouthful.

This is really out of character.

Don

[gasperc]

19. when Bush got re-elected..

I hit the oh fuck button, then we had , political capital and I intend to spend, the DAY AFTER HE WAS "RE-ELECTED", social security reform, medicare part D, terri shiavo, hurricane Katrina

I hit, the oh fuck button a lonnnnnnngggggg time, nice to hear these fucks speak up, I posted several weeks ago that I was sensing a military revolt brewing. But, it would have been nice to hear from these fucks in 2004 and it would be even nicer for some of them to speak out that are currently serving, that resign suddenly in protest, etc 6-9 months after 'retirement' doesn't do us any good. Whether or not one feels that no matter what, they don't question their superiors or that doing so would be treasonous against the US government.

Nope, what is treasonous, are secrets and lies purposely hidden from the American people to pursue goals that are either the opposite of what is publiclly stated or a truly ad hoc, lurch from crisis to crisis governing with no real fore thought to the consequences of " bold moves to attack Iran or terrify Iran to think it will be destroyed" to wiggle out of the fiasco known as "mission accomplished"

ratbastard fucks, every last one of them!!!!!!!!!!

[cpamomfromtexas]

23. IF THEY HAD FUNDED 401K'S THEY COULD RESIGN!

But since they have to actually retire to get their retirement checks, they have to do it this way.

They don't have golden parachutes like the bigwig CEO's have.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

28. Re-elected or given another gift of a stolen election?

Keefe cartoon, Denver Post

:rofl:

Weren't we all as confused as the poor voter in the cartoon in November 2004?

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

29. Self delete duplicate

[leftchick]

20. I am sure we do not know a tenth of how bad it is

and yes I am scared. :hide:

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

21. I do take it as a sign that things are at a critical state NOW.

Ever since Dub took power, I've been concerned that the public would awaken and act fast enough to pre-empt the utter disaster this administration seems to want to bring the whole planet to.

I still do not know. I'm heartened by the increasing awareness, but still worried that Dr. Strangelove has already set us on the road to oblivion.

[Booster]

25. I'm certainly worried. I think these generals are truly concerned

about our troops in the Middle East if Bush nukes anybody, not to mention somebody will most certainly retaliate and nuke us. We should all be worried.

[leesa]

26. But you've known this. What I want to know is why they are not talking

about 9-11 yet. I realize alot of CIA types have come forward to say the White House fairy tale was idiotic, but where are the NORAD types and the pilots? I have read pilot's papers who have questioned what happened that day, but surely someone is ready to talk?? What about the air traffic controllers? There must be some reason the only tape was destroyed by a supervisor before the required transcript was made. When will they talk??