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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 09:48 PM
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NYT: Millions of Unemployed Face Years Without Jobs (the New Poor)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/21/business/economy/21unemployed.html

By PETER S. GOODMAN
Published: February 20, 2010

BUENA PARK, Calif. — Even as the American economy shows tentative signs of a rebound, the human toll of the recession continues to mount, with millions of Americans remaining out of work, out of savings and nearing the end of their unemployment benefits.


Monica Almeida/The New York Times

“There are no bad jobs now. Any job is a good job,” said Jean Eisen, who became unemployed more than two years ago.

Economists fear that the nascent recovery will leave more people behind than in past recessions, failing to create jobs in sufficient numbers to absorb the record-setting ranks of the long-term unemployed.

Call them the new poor: people long accustomed to the comforts of middle-class life who are now relying on public assistance for the first time in their lives — potentially for years to come.

Yet the social safety net is already showing severe strains. Roughly 2.7 million jobless people will lose their unemployment check before the end of April unless Congress approves the Obama administration’s proposal to extend the payments, according to the Labor Department.

Here in Southern California, Jean Eisen has been without work since she lost her job selling beauty salon equipment more than two years ago. In the several months she has endured with neither a paycheck nor an unemployment check, she has relied on local food banks for her groceries.

She has learned to live without the prescription medications she is supposed to take for high blood pressure and cholesterol. She has become effusively religious — an unexpected turn for this onetime standup comic with X-rated material — finding in Christianity her only form of health insurance.

FULL 4 page story at link.

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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 09:57 PM
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1. I blame Washington entirely for this mess
These politicians--from both parties--are so on the take from the wealthy and corporations, they don't give a damn if this country eventually slides into third world status.
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 10:53 PM
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4. They along with most corporations...

In the story the guy talks about how the goal of corporate work is to maximize shareholder value, and that is typical.
A much different outcome than caring about what happens to the workers, the community, their neighbors.

So a lot depends on who owns the assets.






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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 11:55 AM
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10. Agreed
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 09:58 PM
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2. Sad. Just sad.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 10:44 PM
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3. I know. I expect violence. Truly.
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 10:56 PM
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5. "She has become effusively religious - finding in Christianity her only form of health insurance."
What a stupid bitch. Jaysus ain't gonna cure what ails ya, sister.

Oh, and now that she's on the Jesus-freak happy-mobile, how much do you want to bet that her fellow retard Christians are going to convince her to vote Republican, because God is a Republican like them?
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 11:20 PM
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6. Your compassion leaves me almost spechless.
Almost.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 11:59 AM
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11. Disgusting
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 12:35 PM
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12. Had people follow the wisdom of the Bible we would nto be in this situation
Edited on Sun Feb-21-10 12:36 PM by Craftsman
Proverbs 22 Verse 7. The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.
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AdHocSolver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 12:29 AM
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7. Main cause of unemployment easily explained by basic economics.
When supply is high and demand is low, the price of a good drops as producers compete to get rid of inventory.

This, of course, is opposite of the situation when supply is low and demand is high, in which case, buyers bid up the price in competition with other buyers in order to get some product rather than wind up with nothing.

So how does this apply to the current labor situation?

The number of jobs available represents the demand for workers. The number of people looking for jobs represents the supply of workers.

When there are lots of jobs available, and most of the people who want to work are employed, employers are willing (actually, forced) to pay more to their employees, in order to have enough workers to keep their businesses running.

In the opposite case, when there are few jobs, and lots of (unemployed) people looking for work, people are willing to take almost any job that they can get at the lowest wages offered by employers.

As the lady said in the OP: “There are no bad jobs now. Any job is a good job.”

This economic fact explains two effects of offshoring jobs, why it is done, and why offshoring has to be made unprofitable if the U.S. economy is ever going to recover.

Aside from the use of cheaper labor and the avoidance of taxes, the corporations offshore jobs to produce a large pool of unemployed workers willing to take any job at the most meager of wages in order to survive. The corporations can even force current employees to take wage and benefit reductions in order to keep their jobs by pointing to the large numbers of unemployed who would gladly take their jobs.

The employers cry out that they have no power over this situation. It is all the fault of "free trade" and the "global economy". Employers have to act this way in order to compete, they claim.

HOGWASH! There are no such economic conditions. "Free trade" and "global economy" are corporate propaganda buzz words.

The U.S. unemployment crisis was purposely generated by the corporations to weaken labor's ability to negotiate pay and working conditions. The mechanisms used are the corporate cartel agreements such as NAFTA, the WTO, and its ilk.

So-called "stimulus" packages, and "retraining" of workers for "green" technology will have NO long term effect on the REAL economy, so long as NAFTA and its ilk make it profitable to send jobs (including "green" jobs) offshore. Stimulus packages and retraining are sops to Americans to make us think that some useful solutions are being promoted. That is simply untrue.

NAFTA, the WTO, so-called Most Favored Nation trading status (MFN), and other corporate cartel agreements are the ROOT CAUSE of the unemployment problem and the recession/depression that we are experiencing.

Another fraud promoted by the corporations is that prices of goods are lower with offshoring and that prices will go up if they manufacture goods here, and this will make goods "too expensive" for many Americans. This is totally false in many ways.

Offshoring of manufacturing jobs only lowers the costs of goods initially in the short run. In the long term, prices rise on imported goods. For one thing, companies entering the offshoring game later on do NOT pass along cost savings to the consumer, but pocket the difference as profit. Secondly, as trade deficits increase and the U.S. has to go into debt to import goods, the value of the dollar decreases (in the long term), and so we see creeping inflation in the form of slowly rising prices and reduced quality (poisoned food, anyone?).

Moreover, lower prices for imports do not do you any good if you are underemployed or lose wages and benefits. If you don't make it, you can't spend it, no matter how low prices go, and at this point, creeping inflation is driving up prices even on foreign made cheap goods.

Finally, even if prices would rise as jobs are brought back to the U.S., the American consumer would come out ahead, as a booming job market would automatically bring about higher wages to offset the higher prices. If you are working and making good wages, you can afford to pay a little more.

A side benefit of high employment is that working people pay taxes, and that gives governments enough money to provide services such as maintaining infrastructure, education, police and fire services, paying into Social Security and Medicare funds, etc., etc.

The antitax people are getting their wish of not having to pay taxes as they lose their jobs.

The ONLY action to save the REAL economy is to bring jobs back to the U.S. by getting rid of the corporate cartel agreements such as NAFTA, the WTO, MFN status agreements and all of their ilk that make it profitable for the corporations to offshore jobs and avoid taxes.


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Earth Bound Misfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 01:29 PM
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14. Spot on. n/t
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 12:36 AM
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8. Steve, did you see the story about Bob's Red Mill?
The owner of Bob's Red Mill, now 81 years old, just gave the thriving business to his 200 employees. It's a phenomenal story. There are 209 employees. Revenue in 2004 was 29 million and growth has been 20 percent per year. This is what a privately held company can do for workers.

The story is accessible here: http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2010/02/bobs_red_mill_natural_foods_ro.html
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 04:40 AM
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9. My town has nearly 15% unemployment. Today I rode downtown with a retired gentleman I'm on a board
with, & he started a monologue about how people begging around town are all scammers.

I wanted to strangle him.

Instead, I politely started telling him about the people in my neighborhood who've been laid off, are running their benefits out, losing their houses & moving back in with their families.

He told me I lived in a poor neighborhood. And how, (luckily) he didn't.

Then I really wanted to strangle him.

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Earth Bound Misfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 01:28 PM
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13. "nascent recovery"
On what f$%&ing planet? Krypton?
“American business is about maximizing shareholder value,” said Allen Sinai, chief global economist at the research firm Decision Economics. “You basically don’t want workers. You hire less, and you try to find capital equipment to replace them.”


Ahh, so that's how the "experts" define "nascent recovery".

:grr: :grr:
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