Countdown: Obama VP pick?

[gateley]

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[Heather MC]

1. hmmm...

[gateley]

3. Bottom line is, we -- and they -- have no idea.

We'll have to wait for our text messages!

[MindMatter]

37. The real VP isn't even on that list

That list is bullshit. It is a smokescreen. That is obvious because there is no way that Evan Bayh would ever be on Obama's short list. That makes no sense no matter how you look at it.

So what is the real list? Stay tuned.

I'm not saying Biden isn't on the real list. He could be. He's the one one of those three that makes any sense. But this ain't the real list.

[KingOfLostSouls]

2. OH NOEESZ!!!

the bitter pills crowd ain't gonna like that.


and keith pointed out why bayh would be a bad pick is it clears up a seat in the senate that NEEDS to be held.


now just get richardson at SoS and tony zinni at SecDef and you got a working, functioning government.

[gateley]

4. And Jonathan Turley as AG! nt

[KingOfLostSouls]

5. I love Turley

seriously, he's such a fricken geek for law its not even funny.

god bless him.

[gateley]

7. But he could only be AG until the next slot opens up on the Supreme Court! nt

[tekisui]

6. I like where you are going, gateley.

How great of a campaigner would Biden be as the VEEP? Wouldn't that just be incredible?

I can just see Obama in the Campaign War Room. He sees the latest smear ad, and says, "Send out Joe." Nuff said.

[gateley]

8. As Olbermann said - it would be a lot more fun to cover the campaign if

Biden was the VP. :hi:

[tekisui]

10. Oh, just imagine!

The late night hosts have been boo-hooing that Obama is hard to make jokes about.

Biden could be their man. Obama would be the straight man. Biden takes all the jokes. and I thin he would do it wile still being in on the joke.

[gateley]

16. He has a self-deprecating sense of humor.

Remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHdSahEsIC4

:7

[tekisui]

20. I knew what it was before I clicked.

That was beautiful!

[KingOfLostSouls]

9. OH NOES!!!!

but then inthebutt wouldn't have any lies and nonsense to spam DU with!

[tekisui]

11. I saw you two tangle.

No matter who the pick is, some on DU will meltdown.

[KingOfLostSouls]

14. kooch fans are irrelevant

sorry to break it to them, no ones going to vote for nader-lite.


hugs and kisses and veganism don't fix the worlds problems. leadership, strength, intelligence, and resolve do.



biden gets shit done in the senate. thats probably why he'll end up the VP.

[tekisui]

19. As a Kooch fan, I agree.

It is my opinion that Kooch is decades ahead of his time, maybe lifetimes ahead. He is an ideal that I hope we one day have the ability and luxury to meet. But, from here, we have a very long way to go to a viable Kucinich Presidency.

I supported Kucinich, because I thought his message should be heard, and I hope it is heard every cycle until it could be a reality.

But, I knew that it wouldn't be him. Obama has done well to bridge gaps and appeal to indys and many previous apathetic. Biden brings the big guns.

Obama/Biden '08!!!

[KingOfLostSouls]

23. kucinich is a weirdo

the man flip flopped about abortion when he hit the national stage. you can't dance with the devil you don't know.


veganism doesn't solve the worlds problems, and pacifism is a nice way of saying, "oppress me, I don't care." history is won by those willing to bloody their hands and fight every step of the way, not roll over and turn the other cheek.


there were green energy advocates before kucinich, and will be after, and his publicity stunts are getting old at this point. in 2004 he seemed calmer, saner, and more polite. now he just seems like someone who's spent too much time trolling DU to get his ego stroked by the portland/seattle barista scene.

he's more interested now in filling ralph nader's shoes and appealing to the most wild eyed, out of step, left-side-of-the-same-oppressive-mindset coin as conservatives do. sorry, forced veganism and a department of pacifism aren't going to fix the world.

[tekisui]

29. Like I said, he is lifetimes ahead of his time.

America may never be ready for someone like him. The previous stance on abortion always bothered me.

But, he brought many to the party. I saw him speak a couple of times. Both times, I knew damn well he didn't have a chance. But, both times he packed the venues. He brought an energized crowd that had no where else to go. He got a group involved in the process. And, most of them have stuck with the Democratic Party because he brought them.

And, in Iowa he told his supporters to go to Obama when he didn't reach 15%. He had the foresight to say Obama over Hillary and Edwards.

[KingOfLostSouls]

32. They're all politicians

I put none of them on a pedestal.


russ feingold and howard dean are closer to where I am. whenever I hear kooch's name I'm reminded of the barista's in seattle who walk around with chomsky books in their back pockets and recite verbatim and pretend its creative thinking.


the thing is, I also am aware of their short comings. I don't drink the kooch kool aid.


biden's not perfect, but the man is a steadfast democrat who will get the job done. thats what matters most, doing the job, not making it harder to move forward.

[tekisui]

33. I agree with everything you said.

No pedestals here. Politicians and humans.

Let's get the job done, and turn this country around!

[KingOfLostSouls]

35. which is why biden IS a logical choice

the man gets shit done.


i didn't like his vote on the bankruptcy bill, his position on abortion doesn't bother me. he ain't gonna vote to overturn Roe V. Wade, its one of those type of namby pamby arguments that people like biden don't really care about. he considers it settled law. his own personal reservations ain't gonna come into play, and it ain't gonna come up for a vote ever, its a done deal.


thats the thing I DO like about biden is those whiney little side issues don't concern the man. what concerns him are: foreign policy, the budget, supporting our troops and veterans, the economy, and health care. the bread and butter things americans WANT elected officials to be worried about. not arguing about flag burning or abortion or terri schiavo or whatever other national enquirer topic republicans want to argue about to keep people off losing their homes, their jobs, and their health care.



same with the people trying to knock biden down, the nit pickers, the whiners, that painintheass douchebag, the people who don't have anything to contribute to the party, the discussion, or american politics in general. they don't see the big picture.


guys like biden, obama, howard dean, russ feingold, patrick leahy, byron dorgan, bill richardson, these guys do.

[KingOfLostSouls]

36. and barbara boxer

so people don't think I see it as a guys only club.



she wouldn't be a bad VP either....especially the way she slapped inhofe down.

[gateley]

27. To steal a line from another DUer, but it expresses my feelings perfectly --

Kucinich was my philosophical choice -- Biden was my pragmatic one.

[KingOfLostSouls]

30. I'd never vote for kooch

in 2004 one of the things that turned me off was when he and his kool aid drinkers started attacking howard dean for using paul wellstone's line.


and lets be honest, dean has done more for this party than kucinich EVER will. they still attack him for it. howard dean represents more where americans are, pragmatic, socially liberal, fiscally conservative. that idea of understanding that government isn't based on handouts doesn't sit well with the kool aid drinkers. its what turns them off about biden. being pragmatic and realistic while holding onto ideals but willing to compromise with those who you might disagree with on abortion, but working to keep the country going. thats called uniting people. kucinich could never do that.


people put kooch on a pedestal, the man's still a politician. he gets his power by appealing to the wild eyed leftists who've read too many conspiracy theories and would prefer a country based on forced veganism, pacifism, and the ideals of trotsky. sorry, I like red meat, guns, and kickboxing.


oppression is oppression one way or the other, whether its coming from left or right. kooch/nader fans are just the flip side of the coin.

[gateley]

34. I don't think you'll have to worry about it.

:7

[Wetzelbill]

40. you make a lot of projections and assumptions about DK voters and supporters

You kind of sound like exactly the sort of person who compromised away everything so much that now the Right frames every single issue to their favor. I'm a Montana farm hick I like red meat, guns and was an internationally competitive combat athlete, I'm religious and I came around to pro-choice positions just like Kucinich did and I'm not even close to being a pacifist, but I voted for DK in 2004. Scott Ritter is a moderate Republican and he voted for him too. Now why is that? It's not because either one of us are moonbat stereotypes that you are trying to make us out to be, it's because way back in 2003, Kucinich was more right on all this stuff than anybody. They all eventually started coming around to his basic ideas because that's how the war unfolded, for example. Light years ahead of his time then, and he still is now. Idealistic? Yeah. But don't go condescending and denigrating people for who they voted for. I'm not a wild-eyed leftist, a vegan or a pacifist, I've been published on foreign policy, on neoconservatives and I've worked for a Republican before in a nonpartisan position. That fact of the matter is half the time the words "pragmatic" and "realistic" mean not standing up when somebody should or capitulating to bad policy. If Biden, who I like, was one of these people whose pragmatism and condescending realism got us into Iraq in the first place. I'd rather have an idealist who is right than a realist who is wrong in that instance.

[knixphan]

12. BidenBidenBidenBidenBiden!

You get me?

[Mojambo]

13. I like Joe Biden a lot.

But man... That Senate record is long, and in places, not pretty.

Still, better him than Bayh.

[Muttocracy]

15. however, he knows a lot about McCain's record too, which may be useful. nt

[Mojambo]

17. For sure.

And he'd absolutely clobber whatever whippersnapper McCain will be forced to nominate as VP.

[Muttocracy]

28. Rudy would be fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7Y8AFctpjo

(on edit - this is not the noun verb 9/11 clip - that one is here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPOAKXBi9Pw)

[gateley]

18. But there's a lot of good in that record, too, to be fair. nt

[Mojambo]

24. Absolutely

But honestly, when was the last time you heard anything good about a Senate record cited in a Presidential race?

But don't get me wrong. On balance I think Biden would be a great choice.

[cyr330]

21. I agree. . . .

He's not perfect, but who is? I believe he would be a great pick. I haven't always felt this way. In fact, I found myself starting to pick at him and at his votes that I didn't like. . . Nonetheless, I think he'd be great for our party, and he'd certainly be an energetic, intelligent, and crafty opponent against the Repigs.

[stlsaxman]

22. oh be still my little heart!

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

(above is 5 "loveya's")

[d_b]

25. wtf

is up with the case against obama ad?

[WheelWalker]

26. I'm in a swoon.... nt

[MercutioATC]

31. Obama couldn't be that tone-deaf.

A Senator???

Congress' approval ratings are even lower than Bush's. The VP should ideally be a Governor...if not a Governor, at least not a member of the one group that 92% of America agrees is doing an abysmally poor job.

[barack the house]

38. Republicans like Biden the ticket is a slam dunk if he picks him. It's rare they speak positive for>

Democrats they do for Biden. The 80s was a long time ago and Biden is more seasoned for the ticket.

[Jack Rabbit]

39. Biden would be a good pick

He had to earn my respect. He did.

I don't think Bayh would add anything to the ticket except blandness to offset Barack's dynamism. Bedises, it's time for the DLC to sit down and shut up.