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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:37 AM
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Kerry Goes Nutz on McCain & VP (on ABC's This Week) -- Give'em hell John!
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"He's moved from maverick to erratic."
"We've been warning about the 3rd term of Bush...With the choice of Palin it is now the 3rd term of Bush-Chenney."
"...they're back there with the Flat Earth caucus"
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:39 AM
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1. This time I hope he does not "apologize" after making the right wing noise machine mad
Apologies are signs of weakness, and the other side knows it. That's why they never apologize for anything and always insist on our side doing it.
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jules1962 Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:48 AM
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11. Yes
"Palen doesn't believe that climate change is man made. She is back there with the flat earth consensus". lol The only part of Kerry's talking point that I disagree with was "To think that HRC's supporters would support Palen because she is a woman is almost insulting". Nope. It is very insulting. This is a insult to women on their intelligence and judgement to say the least. The women will stand up and show McSame and his cronies just how smart we are. Not a bunch of drug induced stepford wives like he has.

Go Kerry!:yourock:
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:02 PM
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63. I think that the idea they have regarding Palin attracting HRC
suporters shows their true contempt for women and the intelligence of women.

They are after the 'nursing mom/security mom' set: the simple-minded, single issue voting women who will vote against their own economic interests to make a point. They are after women who identify with Palin more than they are after HRC supporters... because Palin stands for the complete opposite of what HRC stands for. I'd even bet that she is against women's rights and certaily their right to choose. She's anti-choice; she's got the political idealism of a neandrathal; it's proven that she is anti-man with the way she's gone about abusing her power as a governor to persecute her sister's stbx husband and his boss. Her judgement is shit, her views are archaic and her experience is non existent.

I do believe that she was chosen because the ticket is a throw away for the thugs this year and they can now say "see, we did give women a chance and they sank the ticket like the titanic. No more women on the ticket because we can't win". Nice and tidy.

I mean, when your party's clerics are so low and base to encourage their listeners to pray for rain on the night of Obama's acceptance speech and the prayer is answered by a hurricane sent the next week to distrupt YOUR convention, then you know that God ain't on your side, s0n.
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:23 AM
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28. Actually he didn't apologize to the RW
he apologized to the soldiers for making a botched joke and for the RW using that as a way to get off the topic of Iraq.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/15511344#15511344">listen

"This comment couldn’t have been directed at them, because you can’t get into the military by doing badly in school. This was directed at the people who didn’t do their homework, didn’t listen to history, didn’t listen to their own advice, and they owe the American people an apology."

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:48 PM
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34. Kerry has been this strong all year - and has yet had to apologize
for anything. He clearly thinks the comments out ahead of time.

For instance - if they go after prisoner of the right wing - there is the list of things where he deserted his original position for the right and Palin is clearly picked for the right wing - and Lieberman and Ridge were likely people he would have preferred. Do they want to bring that topic up? No, therefore they really can't hit Kerry on it successfully - without bringing up the charge. (MA is likely to agree - so I doubt they will "punish" Kerry in his re-election.)

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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:45 AM
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2. go Kerry
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:59 AM
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3. K & R
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:02 AM
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4. Go Kerry! K&R eom
peace~
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:17 AM
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5. K & R. n/t
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:35 AM
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6. Nice job, Senator Kerry.
Pulled no punches. That's what the news will get from Democrats if they let them speak. No need to make stuff up like a republican. My respect for Kerry just went up a notch.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:36 AM
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7. That was great
But he left out the most important thing. Hillary fought for womens rights. And Alaska is close to Russia so we'll have to give her foreign policy experience. :sarcasm:
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:52 AM
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8. Kerry is back with avengance and taking no prisoners. Go for it Kerry.
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 01:53 AM by barack the house
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ksimons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:43 AM
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9. McCain: PRISONER of the Right Wing - wow, Kerry is not mincing words
I think you are going to start to hear that phrase a bit out there.

Of course no pun intended.
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ColonelTom Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 08:43 AM
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14. I can hear it now: McCain's not a "prisoner of the right wing"...
... but he was a prisoner of war for five and a half years! John Kerry's so insensitive and unpatriotic! Blah, blah, blah...

Not that I lack faith in our country's political discourse, mind you. :eyes:

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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:56 PM
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37. Stockholm syndrome all over again.
In '04, he could have run with Kerry as VP, but sucking up to Bush, who he knew was wrong, so he could be in line with the right and be their candidate was more important to him. Winning an election was more important to him than saving a country from 4 years of Bush's bullshit.
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:58 AM
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10. k and r
but I wish Kerry had this much fight four years ago.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:57 PM
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57. I wish there was SOME BIGNAME Dem who'd stick his neck out for 04 nominee the way Kerry does for
Obama. Nope. Most of outr bigname Dems were supporting Bush publically and defending Bush's strategy on terrorism and Iraq war against the attacks Kerry was leading at the time as our Dem nominee. More Dems should try and remember how vigorously Bill Clinton defended Bush throughout his entire 2004 book tour - and did so VERY PUBLICLY.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:07 PM
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58. Exactly n/t
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im1013 Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:51 AM
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12. Go Kerry!
You know, if he had ever spoken from his gut like that during the 2004
campaign, we might not be where we are today.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:34 PM
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64. Terry McAuliffe would have led a functioning DNC and secure election process
from 2001 thru 2004 if only Kerry spoke from the gut more? Uh....this is Kerry acting on offense and defense FOR Obama - which is what Democrats with some television opportunities are SUPPOSED to do.

Hey - who were the Dem bignames in 2004 throwing hard punches at Bush for Kerry? Think about that.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:52 PM
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66. "Who were the Dem bignames in 2004 throwing hard punches at Bush for Kerry?"
Good question that should be answered a lot around here. :thumbsup:
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:57 AM
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13. Kick and recommended - !!!!!
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 08:56 AM
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15. Excellent.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:04 AM
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16. Wow, he was really on point
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PerpetuallyDazed Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:32 AM
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17. "He's a prisoner of the Right-Wing"
about sums it up for me. "The Maverick" flat-lined a long time ago.
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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:55 AM
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18. Well Done, Senator Kerry!
There were much better choices for the Republicans, than Gov. Palin. Kerry spoke well. Yay!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:15 AM
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19. Boy - kerry sure DOESN'T know how to speak...
He's too slow, rambles on, doesn't know what he's going to say next, and that gives the idiots ample opportunity to interrupt, which totally makes kerry to forget where he was going and not complete his answers...

he did do a moderately successful rebuttal to the repuke talking points, but just barely...
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:54 PM
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36. No, TankLV's post is too slow, rambles on, doesn't know what he's going to say next
Kerry said everything he wanted to say and said it forcefully. He most certainly never "forgot" where he was going - he simply saw better points to make.

Kerry likely could do better in an interview in any of his at least three languages than you could do in English.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:00 PM
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45. Ooo! Great smackdown!
:applause:
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:17 PM
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49. I agree. He didn't forget where he was going,
when interrupted, he answered the new question and then went back and finished what he was saying to begin with. Tying it in with the new statement. He was right on and gave at least two or three sound bites for other dems to us.

john mmcain is still a POW. Prisioner Of the right Wing.
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:20 AM
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20. Hah!
Kerry makes a great wing man! Loved it!! Go John and thanks for all you're doing to get us a win.
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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:22 AM
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21. Too bad he didn't have a backbone when he was running for president...
...we wouldn't be in this mess we are in today had he stood up to this right wing smear machine that runs politics on the repuke side.

Good going John. Better late than never...but keep it up.

Unfortunately, he's probably preaching to the choir again. The right wing-nuts have all but turned off opposing views and listening to anything but limpballs, the propaganda network and the rest of these neocon/fascist talking heads. We are a divided nation for at least a generation to come.

Run the bastards out of town. It's time to expose them for the lies and bullshit they spew.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:07 PM
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30. You're wrong about Kerry's backbone. Understandably so, though, since
that's what the media want you to think. Kerry fought hard against the Swiftboaters, but the media absolutely refused to cover his counterattack, and now they want you to think that there was no counterattack.

Read this, from our own research forum:
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Edited on Thu Nov-22-07 06:50 PM by blm

April 14, 2004 - The website for SBVT was registered under the name of Lewis Waterman, the information technology manager for Gannon International, a St. Louis company that has diversified interests, including in Vietnam. (1) (note - Gannon International does not appear to have any relationship to Jeff Gannon/Guckert, the fake reporter.)

May 3, 2004 - "Kerry campaign announced a major advertising push to introduce 'John Kerry's lifetime of service and strength to the American people.' Kerry's four month Vietnam experience figures prominently in the ads." (2)

May 4, 2004 - The Swift Liars, beginning their lies by calling themselves "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth", went public at a news conference organized by Merrie Spaeth at the National Press Club. (1)

May 4, 2004 - "The Kerry campaign held a press conference directly after the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" event...The campaign provided an information package which raised significant questions about 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.' " (3)


May 4, 2004 - Aug. 5, 2004 - No public activity by Swift Liars (?) Wikipedia entry (7) notes "When the press conference garnered little attention, the organization decided to produce television advertisements." (Ed. note - were there any public info or announcements, other than talk on blogs? Was there anything going on publicly? Did the campaign have reason to foresee what was coming - note that they must have, see the reactions to each ad).

Jul. 26, 2004 - Jul. 29, 2004 - Democratic National Convention held in Boston. John Kerry's military experience is highlighted.

Aug. 5, 2004 - The Swift Liars' first television ad began airing a one-minute television spot in three states. (7)

Aug. 5, 2004 - "the General Counsels to the DNC and the Kerry-Edwards 2004 campaign faxed a letter to station managers at the relevant stations stating that the ad is 'an inflammatory, outrageous lie" and requesting that they "act immediately to prevent broadcast of this advertisement and deny any future sale of time. " ' " (4)

Aug. 10, 2004 - Democracy 21, The Campaign Legal Center and The Center for Responsive Politics filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) charging that the Swift Liars were illegally raising and spending soft money on ads to influence the 2004 presidential elections. (4)

Aug. 17, 2004 - the campaign held a press conference at which Gen. Wesley Clark (ret.), Adm. Stansfield Turner (ret.), and several swift boat veterans rebutted the charges. (4)

Aug. 19, 2004 - the Kerry-Edwards campaign announced its own ad "Rassmann." (4)

Aug. 20, 2004 - The Swift Liars' second television ad began airing. This ad selectively excerpted Kerry's statements to the SFRC on 4/22/1971. (7)

Aug. 22, 2004 - the Kerry-Edwards campaign announced another ad "Issues" which addressed the Swift Boat group's attacks.

Aug. 25, 2004 - The Kerry-Edwards campaign ... dispatched former Sen. Max Cleland and Jim Rassmann, to Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas to deliver to the President a letter signed by Democratic Senators who are veterans. (The letter was not accepted.) (4)

Aug. 26, 2004 - The Swift Liars' third television ad began airing. This ad attacked Kerry's claim to have been in Cambodia in 1968. (7)

August 26, 2004 - Mary Beth Cahill sends letter to Ken Mehlman detailing the "Web of Connections" between the Swift Liars and the Bush Administration, and demanding that Bush denounce the smear campaign. (5)

August 26, 2004 - Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) submits FOIA request "with the White House asking it to detail its contacts with individuals connected to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (SBVT)." (6)

Aug. 27, 2004 - The DNC ran a full page ad in the Aug. 27, 2004 New York Times terming the Swift Boat campaign a smear. (4)

Aug. 31, 2004 - - The Swift Liars' fourth television ad began airing. This ad attacked Kerry's participation in the medal-throwing protest on 4/23/1971. (7)

References:
* (1) SourceWatch article on SBVT

* (2) (2004) Democracy in Action / Eric M. Appleman, Democracy in Action / Eric M. Appleman

* (3) (2004) Democracy in Action / Eric M. Appleman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth: Kerry Campaign Response

* (4) (Sept. 8, 2004) Eric M. Appleman (apparently) Some Responses to the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" Ad

* (5) August 26, 2004 letter from Mary Beth Cahill to Ken Mehlman

* (6) Press Release (US Newswire): CREW FOIAs White House Contacts with Swift Boat Veterans Group

* (7) Wikipedia entry, Swift Vets and POWs for Truth



MH1 - This topic is to create a timeline of the response of the K/E04 campaign to the Swift Liars' smears. There is an RW-encouraged myth that K/E04 "didn't respond." As the timeline, once completed, will show, that is not true. Effectiveness of the response may be debated - that is subjective - the purpose of this thread is to collect the facts of the events.




On Aug. 19, 2004 Kerry himself responded directly in a speech to the International Association of Firefighters' Convention in Boston. (from prepared remarks)
...And more than thirty years ago, I learned an important lesson—when you're under attack, the best thing to do is turn your boat into the attacker. That's what I intend to do today.

Over the last week or so, a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been attacking me. Of course, this group isn’t interested in the truth – and they're not telling the truth. They didn't even exist until I won the nomination for president.

But here's what you really need to know about them. They're funded by hundreds of thousands of dollars from a Republican contributor out of Texas. They're a front for the Bush campaign. And the fact that the President won't denounce what they’re up to tells you everything you need to know—he wants them to do his dirty work.

Thirty years ago, official Navy reports documented my service in Vietnam and awarded me the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts. Thirty years ago, this was the plain truth. It still is. And I still carry the shrapnel in my leg from a wound in Vietnam.

As firefighters you risk your lives everyday. You know what it’s like to see the truth in the moment. You're proud of what you’ve done—and so am I.

Of course, the President keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that. Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: "Bring it on."

I'm not going to let anyone question my commitment to defending America—then, now, or ever. And I'm not going to let anyone attack the sacrifice and courage of the men who saw battle with me.

And let me make this commitment today: their lies about my record will not stop me from fighting for jobs, health care, and our security – the issues that really matter to the American people...



Kerry defends war record
Aug. 19: John Kerry responds directly to attacks on his Vietnam military service Thursday, accusing President Bush of relying on front groups to challenge his war record.

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=40a0d9b1-0386-41ef-bc...



May 4, 2004. The Kerry campaign held a press conference directly after the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" event. (Above are, r-l, Wade Sanders, Del Sandusky and Drew Whitlow). Senior Advisor Michael Meehan said, "The Nixon White House attempted to do this to Kerry, and the Bush folks are following the same plan." "We're not going to let them make false claims about Kerry and go unanswered," Meehan said. He said his first instinct was to hold a press conference with an empty room where veterans could testify to their time spent in the military with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

The campaign provided an information package which raised significant questions about "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth." Spaeth Communications, which hosted the event, "is a Republican headed firm from Texas which has contributed to Bush's campaign and has very close ties to the Bush Administration." Lead organizer John O'Neill, a Republican from Texas, "was a pawn of the Nixon White House in 1971." Further some of the people now speaking against Kerry had praised him in their evaluation reports in Vietnam.

John Dibble, who served on a swift boat in 1970, after Kerry had left, was one of the veterans at the Kerry event. He said of Kerry's anti-war activities that at the time, "I didn't like what he was doing." In retrospect, however, Dibble said, "I probably should have been doing the same thing...probably more of us should have been doing that." He said that might have meant fewer names on the Vietnam Memorial and that Kerry's anti-war activities were "a very gutsy thing to do."

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/interestg/swift050404c....



Kerry campaign's quick response to Swift boat vets
By Marie Horrigan
UPI Deputy Americas Editor
Washington, DC, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- The campaign for Democratic Party presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts issued an exhaustively researched and extensively sourced 36-page refutation Thursday of allegations Kerry lied about events during his service in Vietnam, including how and why he received medals, and had fled the scene of a battle.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040805-012143...



Kerry: Bush lets attack ads do 'dirty work'
McClellan points out criticism by anti-Bush group
Friday, August 20, 2004 Posted: 2:37 PM EDT (1837 GMT)
BOSTON, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry accused President Bush on Thursday of letting front groups "do his dirty work" in questioning his military service during the Vietnam War.

"The president keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that," Kerry told a firefighters' union conference in his hometown of Boston.

"Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: Bring it on."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/19/kerry.attacka... /


http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/oldtricks.php




August 5, 2004

VIA FACSIMILE

Re: Swift Boat Veterans for Truth

Dear Station Manager:

We are counsel to the Democratic National Committee and John Kerry, respectively. It has been brought to our attention that a group calling itself "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" has bought time, or may seek to buy time, on your station to air an advertisement that attacks Senator Kerry. The advertisement contains statements by men who purport to have served on Senator Kerry's SWIFT Boat in Vietnam, and one statement by a man pretending to be the doctor who treated Senator Kerry for one of his injuries. In fact, not a single one of the men who pretend to have served with Senator Kerry was actually a crewmate of Senator Kerry's and the man pretending to be his doctor was not. The entire advertisement, therefore is an inflammatory, outrageous lie.

"Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" styles itself as a group of individuals who personally served with John Kerry in the United States Navy in the Vietnam War. In truth the group is a sham organization spearheaded by a Texas corporate media consultant. It has been financed largely with funds from a Houston homebuilder. See Slater, Dallas Morning News, July 23, 2004.

In this group's advertisement, twelve men appear to make statements about Senator Kerry's service in Vietnam. Not a single one of these men served on either of Senator Kerry's two SWIFT Boats (PCF 44 & PCF94).

Further, the "doctor" who appears in the ad, Louis Letson, was not a crewmate of Senator Kerry's and was not the doctor who actually signed Senator Kerry's sick call sheet. In fact, another physician actually signed Senator Kerry's sick call sheet. Letson is not listed on any document as having treated Senator Kerry after the December 2, 1968 firefight. Moreover, according to news accounts, Letson did not record his "memories" of that incident until after Senator Kerry became a candidate for President in 2003. (National Review Online, May 4, 2004).

The statements made by the phony "crewmates" and "doctor" who appear in the advertisement are also totally, demonstrably and unequivocally false, and libelous. In parrticular, the advertisement charges that Senator Kerry "lied to get his Bronze Star." Just as falsely, it states that "he lied before the Senate." These are serious allegations of actual crimes -- specifically, of lying to the United States Government in the conduct of its official business. The events for which the Senator was awarded the Bronze Star have been documented repeatedly and in detail and are set out in the official citation signed by the Secretary of the Navy and the Commander of U.S. Forces in Vietnam. And yet these reckless charges of criminal conduct are offered without support or authentication, by fake "witnesses" speaking on behalf of a phony organization.

Your station is not obligated to accept this advertisement for broadcast nor is it required to account in any way for its decision to reject such an advertisement. Columbia Broadcasting System v. Democratic National Committee, 412 U.S. 94 (1973), You Can't Afford Dodd Committee, 81 FCC2d 579 (1980). The so-called "Swift Boat Veterans" organization is not a federal candidate or candidate committee. Repeated efforts by organizations that are not candidate committees to obtain a private right of access have been consistently rejected by the FCC. See e.g., National Conservative Political Action Committee, 89 FCC2d 626 (1982).

Thus, your station my freely refuse this advertisement. Because your station has this freedom, and because it is not a "use" of your facilities by a clearly identified candidate, your station is responsible for the false and libelous charges made by this sponsor.

Moreover, as a licensee, you have an overriding duty "to protect the public from false, misleading or deceptive advertising." Licensee Responsibility With Respect to the Broadcast of False, Misleading or Deceptive Advertising, 74 F.C.D.2d 623 (1961). Your station normally must take "reasonable steps" to satisfy itself "as to the reliability and reputation of every prospective advertiser." In re Complaint by Consumers Assocation of District of Columbia, 32 F.C.C.2d 400, 405 (1971).

Under these circumstances, your station may not responsibly air this advertisement. We request that your station act immmediately to prevent broadcasts of this advertisement and deny andy future sale of time. Knowing that the advertisement is false, and possessing the legal authority to refuse to run it, your station should exercise that authority in the public interest.


Please contact us promptly at either of the phone numbers below to advise us regarding the status of this advertisement.

Sincerely yours,
Marc Elias
Perkins Coie
607 14th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005


General Counsel
Kerry-Edwards 2004 Joseph Sandler
Sandler, Reiff & Young
50 E Street, S.E. #300
Washington, D.C. 20003


General Counsel
Democratic National Committee


http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/ads04/dem080504ltrswift...




From the transcript of the Aug. 5, 2004 White House Press Briefing with Scott McClellan:

Q Do you -- does the President repudiate this 527 ad that calls Kerry a liar on Vietnam?

MR. McCLELLAN: The President deplores all the unregulated soft money activity. We have been very clear in stating that, you know, we will not -- and we have not and we will not question Senator Kerry's service in Vietnam. I think that this is another example of the problem with the unregulated soft money activity that is going on. The President thought he put an end -- or the President thought he got rid of this kind of unregulated soft money when he signed the bipartisan campaign finance reforms into law. And, you know, the President has been on the receiving end of more than $62 million in negative attacks from shadowy groups.

* * *

In the days after the release of the ad a host of major newspapers published editorials condemning it including the Arizona Republic ("Campaign Non-Starter," August 6), Los Angeles Times ("It's Not All Fair Game," August 6), Plain Dealer ("Ad Says Kerry Lied; Record Says Otherwise," August 8), St. Petersburg Times ("An Ugly Attack," August 9), Las Vegas Sun ("Ad's Smear Should Be Condemned," August 9), Oregonian ("Now It Gets Nasty," August 11), and Washington Post ("Swift Boat Smears," August 12).

* * *

On Aug. 10, 2004 Democracy 21, the Campaign Legal Center and the Center for Responsive Politics filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) charging that Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is illegally raising and spending soft money on ads to influence the 2004 presidential elections.

* * *

From the transcript of Bush's Aug. 12, 2004 appearance on CNN'S Larry King Live:


KING: In view of that, do you think that it's fair, for the record, John Kerry's service record, to be an issue at all? I know that Senator McCain...
G. BUSH: You know, I think it is an issue, because he views it as honorable service, and so do I. I mean...
KING: Oh, so it is. But, I mean, Senator McCain has asked to be condemned, the attack on his service. What do you say to that?
G. BUSH: Well, I say they ought to get rid of all those 527s, independent expenditures that have flooded the airwaves.
There have been millions of dollars spent up until this point in time. I signed a law that I thought would get rid of
those, and I called on the senator to -- let's just get anybody who feels like they got to run to not do so.
KING: Do you condemn the statements made about his...
G. BUSH: Well, I haven't seen the ad, but what I do condemn is these unregulated, soft-money expenditures by very wealthy people, and they've said some bad things about me. I guess they're saying bad things about him. And what I think we ought to do is not have them on the air. I think there ought to be full disclosure. The campaign funding law I signed I thought was going to get rid of that. But evidently the Federal Election Commission had a different view...

Kerry spokesman Chad Clanton's response to Bush's Aug. 12, 2004 appearance:
"Tonight President Bush called Kerry's service in Vietnam 'noble.' But in the same breath refused to heed Senator McCain's call to condemn the dirty work being done by the 'Swift Boat Vets for Bush.' Once again, the President side-stepped responsibility and refused to do the right thing. His credibility is running out as fast as his time in the White House."

* * *

On Aug. 17, 2004 the campaign held a press conference at which Gen. Wesley Clark (ret.), Adm. Stansfield Turner (ret.), and several swift boat veterans rebutted the charges.

* * *

DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe issued a statement on Aug. 18, 2004:

"By saying nothing at all George W. Bush is a complicit contributor to the slanderous, lie-filled attack ads that have been launched on John Kerry on Bush's behalf. Instead of stepping up and taking the high road, George Bush's response has been evasion, avoidance, everything but disavowal.

"Larry King asked George Bush to 'condemn' it. He refused. Reporters asked the President's Press Secretary if he'd 'repudiate' it. He ducked. They can try to blame it on the rules or whoever else they want, but the blame belongs squarely on the Republicans. They wrote it. They produced it. They placed it. They paid for it. And now it is time for George W. Bush to stand up and say, 'enough.'

"This is not debate, Mr. President, and this unfounded attack on Senator Kerry has crossed the line of decency. I call on you today to condemn this ad, the men who put their lies behind it, and the donors who paid for it. It's time."

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/ads04/swiftadresponse.h...




(August 19, 2004 -- 01:26 PM EDT)

WELL, IT SEEMS there wasn't something in the air.

I didn't know the Kerry campaign was finally going to return fire today over this Swift Boat nonsense. But this morning, in a speech to the International Association of Fire Fighters in Boston, he responded squarely to the attacks. You can see complete text of the speech and the new response-ad they're running. But the key point is that he aimed his remarks at precisely the right target ...

Over the last week or so, a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been attacking me. Of course, this group isn?t interested in the truth ? and they?re not telling the truth. They didn?t even exist until I won the nomination for president.
<...>


This is a good thing -- and not simply because Kerry has to respond to the president's surrogates who are trying (and, to an extent, succeeding) in damaging his candidacy with scurrilous and discredited attacks.

There is a meta-debate going on here, one that I'm not sure even the practitioners fully articulate to themselves and one that I'm painfully aware the victims don't fully understand.

Let's call it the Republicans' Bitch-Slap theory of electoral politics.

It goes something like this.

On one level, of course, the aim behind these attacks is to cast suspicion upon Kerry's military service record and label him a liar. But that's only part of what's going on.

Consider for a moment what the big game is here. This is a battle between two candidates to demonstrate toughness on national security. Toughness is a unitary quality, really -- a personal, characterological quality rather than one rooted in policy or divisible in any real way. So both sides are trying to prove to undecided voters either that they're tougher than the other guy or at least tough enough for the job.

<…>

This meta-message behind the president's attacks on Kerry's war record is more consequential than many believe. So hitting back hard was critical on many levels.

more



Altercation Book Club: Lapdogs by Eric Boehlert
Relatively early on in the August coverage of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth story, ABC's Nightline devoted an entire episode to the allegations and reported, "The Kerry campaign calls the charges wrong, offensive and politically motivated. And points to Naval records that seemingly contradict the charges." (Emphasis added.) Seemingly? A more accurate phrasing would have been that Navy records "completely" or "thoroughly" contradicted the Swifty. In late August, CNN's scrawl across the bottom of the screen read, "Several Vietnam veterans are backing Kerry's version of events." Again, a more factual phrasing would have been "Crewmembers have always backed Kerry's version of events." But that would have meant not only having to stand up a well-funded Republican campaign attack machine, but also casting doubt on television news' hottest political story of the summer.

When the discussion did occasionally turn to the facts behind the Swift Boat allegations, reporters and pundits seemed too spooked to address the obvious—that the charges made no sense and there was little credible evidence to support them.. Substituting as host of "Meet the Press," Andrea Mitchell on Aug. 15 pressed Boston Globe reporter Anne Kornblut about the facts surrounding Kerry's combat service: "Well, Anne, you've covered him for many years, John Kerry. What is the truth of his record?" Instead of mentioning some of the glaring inconsistencies in the Swifties' allegation, such as George Elliott and Adrian Lonsdale 's embarrassing flip-flops, Kornblut ducked the question, suggesting the truth was "subjective": "The truth of his record, the criticism that's coming from the Swift Boat ads, is that he betrayed his fellow veterans. Well, that's a subjective question, that he came back from the war and then protested it. So, I mean, that is truly something that's subjective." Ten days later Kornblut scored a sit-down interview with O'Neill. In her 1,200-word story she politely declined to press O'Neill about a single factual inconsistency surrounding the Swifties' allegations, thereby keeping her Globe readers in the dark about the Swift Boat farce. (It was not until Bush was safely re-elected that that Kornblut, appearing on MSNBC, conceded the Swift Boast ads were clearly inaccurate.)

Hosting an Aug. 28 discussion on CNBC with Newsweek's Jon Meacham and Time's Jay Carney, NBC's Tim Russert finally, after weeks of overheated Swifty coverage, got around to asking the pertinent question: "Based on everything you have heard, seen, reported, in terms of the actual charges, the content of the book, is there any validity to any of it?" Carney conceded the charges did not have any validity, but did it oh, so gently: "I think it's hard to say that any one of them is by any standard that we measure these things has been substantiated." Apparently Carney forgot to pass the word along to editors at Time magazine, which is read by significantly more news consumers than Russert's weekly cable chat show on CNBC. Because it wasn't until its Sept. 20 2004 issue, well after the Swift Boat controversy had peaked, that the Time news team managed enough courage to tentatively announce the charges levied against Kerry and his combat service were "reckless and unfair." (Better late than never; Time's competitor Newsweek waited until after the election to report the Swift Boat charges were "misleading," but "very effective.") But even then, Time didn't hold the Swifties responsible for their "reckless and unfair" charges. Instead, Time celebrated them. Typing up an election postscript in November, Time toasted the Swift Boat's O'Neill as one of the campaign's "Winners," while remaining dutifully silent about the group's fraudulent charges.

That kind of Beltway media group self-censorship was evident throughout the Swift Boat story, as the perimeters of acceptable reporting were quickly established. Witness the MSM reaction to Wayne Langhofer, Jim Russell and Robert Lambert. All three men served with Kerry in Vietnam and all three men were witnesses to the disputed March 13, 1969 event in which Kerry rescued Green Beret Jim Rassmann, winning a Bronze Star and his third Purple Heart. The Swifties, after 35 years of silence, insisted Kerry did nothing special that day, and that he certainly did not come under enemy fire when he plucked Rassmann out of the drink. Therefore, Kerry did not deserve his honors.

It's true every person on Kerry's boat, along with the thankful Rassmann, insisted they were under fire, and so did the official Navy citation for Kerry's Bronze Star. Still, Swifties held to their unlikely story, and the press pretended to be confused about the stand-off. Then during the last week in August three more eyewitnesses, all backing the Navy's version of events that there had been hostile gun fire, stepped forward. They were Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

Russell wrote an indignant letter to his local Telluride Daily Planet to dispute the Swifties' claim: "Forever pictured in my mind since that day over 30 years ago John Kerry bending over his boat picking up one of the rangers that we were ferrying from out of the water. All the time we were taking small arms fire from the beach; although because of our fusillade into the jungle, I don't think it was very accurate, thank God. Anyone who doesn't think that we were being fired upon must have been on a different river."

The number of times Russell was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 1. On Fox News: 1. MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1. On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Like Russell, Langhofer also remembered strong enemy gunfire that day. An Aug. 22 article in the Washington Post laid out the details: "Until now, eyewitness evidence supporting Kerry's version had come only from his own crewmen. But yesterday, The Post independently contacted a participant who has not spoken out so far in favor of either camp who remembers coming under enemy fire. “There was a lot of firing going on, and it came from both sides of the river,” said Wayne D. Langhofer, who manned a machine gun aboard PCF-43, the boat that was directly behind Kerry’s. Langhofer said he distinctly remembered the “clack, clack, clack” of enemy AK-47s, as well as muzzle flashes from the riverbanks." (For some strange reason the Post buried its Langhofer scoop in the 50th paragraph of the story.)

The number of times Langhofer was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 0. On Fox News: 0. On MSNBC: 0. On ABC: 0. CBS: 0. NBC: 0.

As for Lambert, The Nation magazine uncovered the official citation for the Bronze Medal he won that same day and it too reported the flotilla of five U.S. boats "came under small-arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks."

The number of times Lambert was mentioned on. On Fox News: 1. On CNN: 0. On MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1 On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Additionally, the Washington Post's Michael Dobbs, who served as the paper's point person on the Swifty scandal, was asked during an Aug. 30, 2004, online chat with readers why the paper hadn't reported more aggressively on the public statements of Langhofer, Russell and Lambert. Dobbs insisted, "I hope to return to this subject at some point to update readers." But he never did. Post readers, who were deluged with Swifty reporting, received just the sketchiest of facts about Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

If that doesn't represent a concerted effort by the press to look the other way, than what does?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12799378/#060518

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:14 PM
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31. ...
:thumbsup:
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:07 PM
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48. .....
:applause:
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:12 PM
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60. Some on DU still
buy the Big Lie if it discredits Kerry as a result and scapegoats him for the loss at the expense of denying America's humiliation at the hands of the media.

The scenario was this. More than anything the wide promulgation- with no equal time or rebuttal in any sense BY the MSM- of the swiftboating. As with selling Iraq the main damage was in spreading the lie, then withdrawing. The MSM professed to be amazed that most Americans thought Hussein had sent the Al Qaeda terrorists despite their telling them otherwise. The MSM has a passive side that allows the sensationalism to run rampant with retractions clearly printed in small print on page 25. Basically that is the free speech defense zone allowed Dems or a meteor flash in the front pages greeted by total MSM silence. This is cute. You never make contact with the damage done.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:07 PM
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59. Too bad BIGNAME DEMS in 04 wouldn't show backbone for Kerry the way JK does for Obama consistently
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 03:08 PM by blm
Did YOU back up JK when he counterattacked the swifts and challenged Bush to stop hiding behind them and when he attacked Bush's decisions on Iraq war, or were you publicly defending and supporting Bush the way Bill Clinton and other bigname Dems were doing at the time?

Because I don't remember you or anyone in the Dem party or the left media and even left blogs like DU making it a big deal to back up Kerry when he viciously went after swifts AND Bush for hiding behind the swifts - an attack he launched in an one hour speech to the Firefighters Convention that media refused to air, so many INATTAENTIVE Democrats followed the media's cue and ignored the speech. Oh well, I guess big name Dems realized it wouldn't get them any broadcast airtime if they sided with Kerry too much.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:36 PM
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62. His election was stolen by the GOP and his fight was sabotaged by the DLC.
CLINTON ALLY JAMES CARVILLE'S ROLE IN THE QUICK KERRY CONCESSION:

Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)


By M.J. Rosenberg | bio




On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

-snip

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

-snip

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward



Teresa was right last week when she told the media that the John Kerry won in 2004.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:35 PM
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65. I didn't see that....could you post a link so I can catch up?
.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 07:23 PM
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69. What an original thought! nt
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:23 AM
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22. I wish Snuffalopogus would shut up and let Kerry talk.
That's the problem with these celebrity talk show hosts. They think it's all about THEM. Let your subject do the talking.
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DirtyDawg Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:22 PM
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33. Not only that...
...the little 'pr**k', Snuffle that is, didn't open his mouth in the interview just prior while the Closet Queen Graham when off on everything positive about McLame/Putrin and everything negative about Obama/Biden. No, ABC seems to have made a commitment to do everything they can to help the Repugs steal another one. I don't blame Kerry for refusing to be interrupted and say what he wanted to say.
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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:40 AM
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23. Hit the nail right on the head, Thank you Senator. You are right,
this shallow choice McSame made will not fool the bright women who supported Clinton. Picking her was an insult to all of us. What kind of fool believes this woman is capable. No-one with an ounce of brains.

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jeanmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:51 AM
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24. John McKurtz! (nt)
.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:53 AM
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25. Fucken A Kerry!
"A prisoner not a maverick!"

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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:55 AM
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26. booyah senator. nice job
he hit all of the right points. he has turned out to be quite the effective advocate.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:58 AM
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27. great job!
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olivetgraduate Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:42 AM
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29. Kerry goes nutz!!!
I am SO glad Kerry pointed out McCain's willingness to let the right-wing crazies determine his VP choice -- so much for being a maverick!!!
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:22 PM
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51. How about .......
mccain is a Branded maverick.

Isn't that what happens when a maverick horse is caught, broken, and rode by his master. "mccain is a branded maverick that belongs to the right wing of the republican party".
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:22 PM
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32. Bravo! If he'd mentioned her virulent anti-choice, anti-birth control, would've been perfect. n/t
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:51 PM
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35. When did Kerry grow a spine?
It seems that several Dems have grown spines all of a sudden, now that it is a presidential election year.
Perhaps there is hope.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:03 PM
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46. Yep. It's too bad Dem surrogates didn't have any spine
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 02:08 PM by politicasista
Nor did then inept DNC chariman McAufliffe. The spine was always there at campaign rallies and in the debates.


Always amazing that people allow the media to think or speak for them.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:13 PM
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61. If YOU paid attention you wouldn't ask such an ABSURD and UNINFORMED question.
Kerry has always been the tougher mfer in DC. He never had a Dem party powerstructure that EVER backed him up....and I mean NEVER, especially in 2004. Many powerful Dems never wanted a President Kerry opening the books they preferred stay closed as much as BushInc.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:59 PM
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38. Guns blazing! Well done Senator Kerry
George: Erratic? Do you mean picking Palin?
Kerry: Absolutely!

George: They say she has more experience than Obama.
Kerry That's ridiculous on it's face!

Shoot em down, Kerry. Point after point.
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:20 PM
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50. It's about time the "R" word (Ridiculous) was to describe Redumblican talking points.
"Ridiculous on it's face" is my favorite.
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President Decider Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:59 PM
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39. GREAT LINE .... "She's party of that old "flat earth" caucas!
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:03 PM
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40. I love it. He was forceful, blunt and right! n/t
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DiehardLiberal Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:14 PM
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41. New Bumper Sticker
John McCain=POrW
Prisoner of Right Wing
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:26 PM
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54. I thought the same thing.
I wish I had read your post before posting upthread the almost same thing. Well, different words but the POW thng. ;)
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DiehardLiberal Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:33 PM
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55. Thanks!
I guess we can say that great minds...Glad you liked it!
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:35 PM
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42. John Kerry: Bulldog
Wow. Glad he's on our side.

:kick:
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:42 PM
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43. Flat-Earth caucus!
YES YES!

This needs to go crazy viral!
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:51 PM
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44. Good job, Senator. Please mention next time Hillary is pro-choice
and that is a significant reason that Hillary supporters would not vote for McCain/Palin.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:23 PM
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52. Good point n/t
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:05 PM
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47. Kick for all the response cool smackdowns!
And the crickets now chirping. :rofl:



:kick: :kick: :kick:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:24 PM
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53. Very well stated Senator Kerry.
:toast:
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:52 PM
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56. Great smackdown! Thanks for posting. K&R n/t
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:59 PM
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67. Beautiful. Thank you JFK! nt
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:59 PM
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68. Wow! That was great. Thanks for posting
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downindixie Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 07:25 PM
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70. Its time for HRC
to come down on Palin like a plague of locusts.HRC could put this women in her place with a well chosen speech.
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Errrica Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 07:49 PM
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71. Woo hoo!
Let 'em have it, Kerry! Said everything I've been thinking the last couple of days.
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Narkos Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:11 PM
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72. YEAHHH BEEEOOOTCHHH!!
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