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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:23 PM
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Pro Life! ...but only if you are an American!
 
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I talked with some "pro life" protesters at the Short Pump mall area outside, Richmond, Virginia on Saturday, October 11, 2008. One of the organizers admits that the lives of soldiers don't matter because they volunteered and that the lives of Iraqi civilians don't matter because they... well they just aren't American.
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GOPNotForMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:32 PM
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1. LOL. WARNING: FF through that "singing" at the beginning! nt
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:38 PM
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2. LOL! Yeah you can skip the last minute too.
That's nothing but about a thousand Hail Marys.
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:42 PM
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3. another member of that Moran family
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:49 PM
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4. White Mary ... very white Mary. Guess she would have to be to have Surfer Hippy Jesus
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:54 PM
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5. Reminds me of this scene from John Waters' "Pecker"
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:55 PM
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6. You know...
I was raised Catholic and attended catholic school thru college. I NEVER met people like that growing up. This is a new extreme. And to parade the image of the Virgin Mary out on the street like that too - well, I guess one never gets completely over their former faith. I found this offensive on so many levels.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:58 PM
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7. WTF!! Tradition, Family, PROPERTY? I don't remember any Catholic dogma about property.
Anyone know what that TFP penant is about?

going to go google . . .
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:59 PM
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8. War is MASS Abortion! Thanks for reminding me why I left "the church"!
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:29 PM
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14. No No No! The Soldier Choose to Fight!
They also choose to use weaponry that kills and maims innocent bystanders because they choose to sweep a city clean, but thats OK, Bush, Their Father, told them so.

Wait a minute, doesn't a Woman have a right to choose whether she wants a pregnancy or not? I guess not, since the embroyo isn't able to speak to "Choose" for itself. Therefore, we must force every pregancy to term to make sure that the next baby jeebus doesn't get snuffed. Either that or fail to become another supplicant to pay taxes to the mighty capitalist system.

I feel sorry for these people that are so indoctrinated into religious dogma that they pay more attention to other peoples affairs than their own.

On a side note, I'm happy to see God looking after them on that busy street, letting them know that all the car exhaust, noise, dust, fine particulate matter and decreased Oxygen won't hurt them or their children with their developing lungs. God has granted them the ability to ignore and unhealthy situation and rejoice. Nitric Acic and Hydrocarbons are Gods gift to children and asthmatics! I'm sure they'll all mave a fine dinner of GMO food and Cloned Beef, happy in the knowledge that God gives them the right to alter Food at the genetic level, raise animals in Factory Farms, and clone Animals for inhuman processing (hey they're animals and they don't feel pain right?) in mechanised slautghterhouses.

Amen Hypocrites
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:40 PM
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18. I agree! & Here's some background on TFP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_TFP

"Jesus" was killed because he was too free. He resisted his CHURCH and his state who were in allegiance to OPPRESS the people.

He owned nothing but himself, which is WAY more than these TFP "people" can say.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:04 PM
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9. Wow, K & R...
What an illuminating exchange, especially the part about US Citizens.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:05 PM
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10. She has her facts wrong on Obama's abortion record. She is quoting a stupid Was. Times article
Here are the facts on that lie:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200802050010

Wash. Times editorial cropped Obama quote to falsely claim he argued against protecting "babies who survive botched late-term abortions"

Summary: A Washington Times editorial falsely claimed that Sen. Barack Obama "argu cold-bloodedly on the Illinois Senate floor that babies who survive botched late-term abortions should not be considered 'persons' because this would be tantamount to admitting 'that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a -- a child, a 9-month old -- child that was delivered to term.' " In fact, he was not discussing "late-term abortions" in the remarks the editorial highlighted; Obama was asserting that the bill in question, which was not limited to late-term abortions, would "essentially bar abortions."

In a February 1 editorial, The Washington Times falsely claimed that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama "argu cold-bloodedly on the Illinois Senate floor that babies who survive botched late-term abortions should not be considered 'persons' because this would be tantamount to admitting 'that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a -- a child, a 9-month old -- child that was delivered to term.' " In fact, Obama was not discussing "late-term abortions" in the remarks the editorial highlighted; as is clear from his March 30, 2001, remarks on the state Senate floor, he was asserting that the bill in question, which was not limited to late-term abortions, would in effect "essentially bar abortions."
The Times editorial asserted that the position Obama took on "babies who survive botched late-term abortions" while in the state Senate "should horrify the two-fifths of Americans who consider themselves pro-life":

Mr. Obama is also one of t he most pro-choice presidential contenders in history. His 100 percent rating from the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council as a state senator was just the beginning. Mr. Obama is known in pro-life circles for arguing cold-bloodedly on the Illinois Senate floor that babies who survive botched late-term abortions should not be considered "persons" because this would be tantamount to admitting "that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a -- a child, a 9-month old -- child that was delivered to term." This should horrify the two-fifths of Americans who consider themselves pro-life. It surely won't "unify."

Yet in the quote that the Times referenced, Obama was asserting that the bill, sponsored by Republican state Sen. Patrick O'Malley, was unconstitutional because it would "define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or other elements in the Constitution" and therefore represent a de facto restriction on all abortions. From Obama's March 30, 2001, statement on the Illinois Senate floor:

OBAMA: Number one, whenever we defin e a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a -- a child, a nine-month-old -- child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it -- it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute.

Additionally, Obama listed a "second reason" in his floor statement that the proposed law was "unconstitutional" -- it would "plac a burden on the doctor" that would prevent many facilities from having the resources necessary to perform abortions:

OBAMA: The second reason that it would probably be found unconstitutional is that this essentially says that a doctor is required to provide treatment to a previable child, or fetus, however way you want to describe it. Viability is the line that has been drawn by the Supreme Court to determine whether or not an abortion can or cannot take place. And if we're placing a burden on the doctor that says you have to keep alive even a previable child as long as possible and give them as much medical attention as -- as is necessary t o try to keep that child alive, then we're probably crossing the line in terms of unconstitutionality.

Obama also said: "I think it's important to recognize though that this is an area where potentially we might have compromised and -- and arrived at a bill that dealt with the narrow concerns about how a -- a previable fetus or child was treated by a hospital. We decided not to do that. We're going much further than that in this bill."
From the February 1 Washington Times editorial:

Candidate Barack Obama frequently promises to soar above partisan politics. But the theatrics of such declarations keep bumping into the reality of Mr. Obama's left-liberal record in Washington and the left-liberal record in Illinois state politics which preceded it. The latest reminder: As recently as 2004, Mr. Obama supported decriminalizing marijuana, opening relations with Communist Cuba and providing health care for illegal aliens.
In a little-noticed 2004 video featured today in The Washington Times, Mr. Obama sounds quite comfortable voicing his leftist leanings. "I think we need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws," Mr. Obama told a Northwestern University audience as he campaigned for the Senate in 2004. "But I'm not somebody who believes in legalization of marijuana." Fast forward to the fall of 2007, and Mr. Obama can be found hedging these views -- meekly raising his hand at a Democratic presidential debate to oppose decriminalization. Wrongly, it turns out. Mr. Obama still supports it, according to a spokesman.
It is not just marijuana, relations with Cuba or health care for illegals. Mr. Obama is also one of the most pro-choice presidential contenders in history. His 100 percent rating from the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council as a state senator was just the beginning. Mr. Obama is known in pro-life circles for arguing cold-bloodedly on the Illinois Senate floor that babies who survive botched late-term abortions should not be considered "persons" because this would be tantamount to admitting "that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a -- a child, a 9-month old -- child that was delivered to term." This should horrify the two-fifths of Americans who consider themselves pro-life. It surely won't "unify."
Let's be realistic. Mr. Obama scores a 95 percent in the liberal activist group Americans for Democratic Action's ratings. He scores in the single digits when judged by conservative groups.

From Obama's March 30, 2001, floor statement:

OBAMA: This bill was fairly extensively debated in the Judiciary Committee, and so I won't belabor the issue. I do want to just make sure that everybody in the Senate knows what this bill is about, as I understand it. Senator O'Malley, the testimony during the committee indicated that one of the key concerns was -- is that there was a method of abortion, an induced abortion, where the -- the fetus or child, as -- as some might describe it, is still temporarily alive outside the womb. And one of the concerns that came out in the testimony was the fact that they were not being properly cared for during that brief period of time that they were still living. Is that correct? Is that an accurate sort of description of one of the key concerns in the bill?
O'MALLEY: Senator Obama, it is certainly a key concern that the -- the way children are treated following their birth under these circumstances has been reported to be, without question, in my opinion, less than humane, and so this bill suggests that appropriate steps be taken to treat that baby as a -- a citizen of the United States and afforded all the rights and protections it deserves under the Constitution of the United States.
OBAMA: Well, it turned out -- that during the testimony a number of members who are typically in favor of a woman's right to choose an abortion were actually sympathetic to some of the concerns that your -- you raised and that were raised by witnesses in the testimony. And there was some suggestion that we might be able to craft something that might meet con stitutional muster with respect to caring for fetuses or children who were delivered in this fashion. Unfortunately, this bill goes a little bit further, and so I just want to suggest, not that I think it'll make too much difference with respect to how we vote, that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny. Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a -- a child, a nine-month-old -- child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it -- it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child. Then this would be an antiabortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional.
The second reason that it would probably be found unconstitutional is that this essentially says that a doctor is required to provide treatment to a previable child, or fetus, however way you want to describe it. Viability is the line that has been drawn by the Supreme Court to determine whether or not an abortion can or cannot take place. And if we're placing a burden on the doctor20that says you have to keep alive even a previable child as long as possible and give them as much medical attention as -- as is necessary to try to keep that child alive, then we're probably crossing the line in terms of unconstitutionality. Now, as I said before, this probably won't make any difference. I recall the last time we had a debate about abortion, we passed a bill out of here. I suggested to Members of the Judiciary Committee that it was unconstitutional and it would be struck down by the Seventh Circuit. It was. I recognize this is a passionate issue, and so I -- I won't, as I said, belabor the point. I think it's important to recognize though that this is an area where potentially we might have compromised and -- and arrived at a bill that dealt with the narrow concerns about how a -- a previable fetus or child was treated by a hospital. We decided not to do that. We're going much further than that in this bill. As a consequence, I think that we will probably end up in court once again, as we often do, on this issue. And as a consequence, I'll be voting Present.





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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:11 PM
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11. Obama is GENUINE Pro-Life. That's why they hate him. He shows how FALSE they are.
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susanwy Donating Member (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:12 PM
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12. Reminds me of Fred Phelps and his fundies.
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:46 AM
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24. This was a national event too.
n/t
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:12 PM
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13. Do these Catholics realize that the Vatican has condemned the Iraq war and capital punishment?
Catholic Rural Life Ministries addresses a lot of other "life" issues, such as poverty, concentration of wealth and power, access to health care and economic justice that McCain/Palin and the Republicans in general are on the opposite side of.

This is typical Catholic Right to Life. They are a bunch of rabid Republicans and they try to pigeonhole every election into a referendum on abortion.

As to the woman's advice to Google Obama and infanticide, hell, you can Google just about any combination of names and words and get a laundry list of links to access. Even so, how many of them are from credible, objective source? If anybody said anything about Obama and infanticide, regardless of how absurdly wrong it is, it will appear on the Google list of links.

When I see people like the ones in this video, I think abortion should be legal and in some cases, retroactive.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:32 PM
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15. Here is the group that was out Saturday
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solanus Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:35 PM
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16. white catholic over 60
I am an OBAMA supporter here, after much heart searching I came to the belief If I voted for McCain I would surely have to ask God for forgiveness.
However i know these people's point (in the video),of view, they are not as bad as they sound, forgive them.O8)
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:38 PM
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17. i know! in 2004 our local catholic church
pointed it out before the election...
the leader of the church said something to the effect of 'we cant support someone whos in favor of abortion, but at the same time we can not support someone who wages a war where innocent life is lost. the vatican has denounced this war and so should other catholics. its an interesting time to be a catholic voter isnt it?'
and then he left it at that...

in the last year a new person has come in to take over the church... already hes put out tons of pro-life signs on the outside of the church...
i take it he doesnt feel the same away as the last guy... and that life only matters if it hasnt been born yet... so sad.
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:43 PM
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19. I can't help it.
I really detest these people and their dark-age mentality.
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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:37 PM
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20. So it's not infanticide when our troops kill pregnant Iraqi woman or their
young children, only if American children are "killed"?

People like this really make my head spin, they're so illogical.

:banghead:
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Kalifornia.Kid Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:42 PM
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21. Bitter Americans clinging to guns and religion.
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zeos3 Donating Member (912 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:03 PM
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22. W!T!F! is going on at 3:08!?!?
Look over the woman's shoulder.
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CAG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:28 PM
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23. Dude, why'd ya have to go there and make me look!! Now I'll have
nightmares of oversized private parts!!
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