CNN on Palin's Membership in Anti-American Radical Group AIP

[ultraist]

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CNN reports on Sarah Palin's connection to, and her husband, Todd Palin's membership in an Anti-American fringe group, the Alaska Independence Party (AIP) which was founded by a domestic terrorist.

The McCain campaign was NOT happy about a MSM outlet reporting on this!

[doublethink]

1. Vote this one up people ..... get it out there !!

K&R :kick:

[dennysp]

50. YaaaaaYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!! Can't wait to hear this on NPR!!!

[stlsaxman]

113. I seriously doubt that either Mara Lyinsombich or Cokie The Clown will breathe a word of it.

[Kalifornia.Kid]

2. It's about time M$M gave extended airtime on Palin's pals

[Spritz57]

25. I wonder if there's any significance to the Polar Bear pin

she has worn on various occasions as recorded on you tube. Don't wish to sound like wingnut but looking at their logo and seeing that pin, I begin to wonder. . .

[redstate_democrat]

45. Me too

Why else would she wear that big ass gaudy polar bear pin running as a presidential candidate? She knows she is screwed and is just trying to stay in the "in crowd" back in AK so she won't lose her seat.

[annabanana]

53. especially after she worked to take polar bears OFF the endangered list...n/t

[dhpgetsit]

128. This pin?

[Spritz57]

151. Like ma said to me when I graduated high school,

you done good!
Thanks! I searched through YouTube but the images were too blurry and I don't have the software to capture the video still and clear up the image. :-)

[dooner]

75. Certainly not because of her affection for the bear! n/t

[SaveAmerica]

76. It's the symbol of the last one in Alaska, she's on the hunt for it...

[ds55]

77. Significance of the polar bear pin

The polar bear pin that Sarah Palin wears at her rallies is the Alaskan Independence Party symbol.

From the bylaws of AIP:
http://www.akip.org/bylaws.html

1.02 Symbol

"The symbol of the Alaskan Independence Party shall be a polar bear depicted with the Big Dipper and north star in the background. The party symbol incorporating these elements may be used on clothing, on pins, signs and other means for advertising and raising party funds."

[Spritz57]

101. Thank you for the link!

Now all we need is a picture from the last few weeks with her wearing the pin. If anyone finds one of the youtube clips with her wearing the pin, please post the link.

[ds55]

139. Sarah rushed back to Alaska to give birth to baby Trig --WHY??

Sarah Palin had a baby in April 2008, her son Trig who is a Down Syndrome baby. The story of Trig's birth has been well-reported. One question that has not been answered -- why did Gov. Palin risk her baby's life by flying from Dallas, Texas all the way back to Alaska to deliver her baby?

One answer: Because a person must be born on Alaska soil to be a citizen of the separate nation of Alaska, according to the AIP doctrine.

From the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122002615833483595.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
"Gov. Palin's opted to board a jet from Dallas in April while about to deliver a child. Gov. Palin, who was eight months pregnant, says she felt a few contractions shortly before she was to give a keynote speech to an energy summit of governors in Dallas. But she says she went ahead with it after her doctor in Alaska advised her to put her feet up to rest. "I was not going to miss that speech," she says.

She rushed so quickly from the podium afterwards that Texas Gov. Rick Perry nervously asked if she was about to deliver the baby then. She made it to the airport, and gave birth hours after landing in Anchorage to Trig, who is diagnosed with Down Syndrome. "Maybe they shouldn't have let me fly, but I wasn't showing much so they didn't know," she says."

[Spritz57]

168. Interesting theory. . .

Thanks for the thought and the link. There are many details and other conclusions on this link: http://www.palininvestigation.com

[lonestarnot]

132. Figures.

[TxBlue]

137. Thanks for this link...was wondering about that pin

she's hedging her bets since it's doesn't look very promising for this election.

She'll limp home and defend staying in office in AK so maybe she thinks the AIP symbol will help her.

[ihavenobias]

3. K & R

[chelsea0011]

4. Nice! K & R 'd. It's about time the media has questioned her affiliations with this anti-American

group.

[RelativelyJones]

5. K & R

[Vilis Veritas]

6. K and R...

Vote it up at the tubes...

peace.

[Karenina]

7. Interviewus interruptus...

[doublethink]

8. Related synopsis video ....

Sarah Palin: Palling Around With Secessionists (Jedreport: 1:45 long)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eniG9l_7its&eurl=http://potus-obama-2008.dailykos.com/

[bertman]

13. Ohhh, doublethink, THAT IS SWEEEETTTT!!!

The timing on this is exquisite.

[doublethink]

18. We're going for the jugular vein on this one .....

;) ..... pit bull my &*$%#@#$% !!!!! ;)

[ann_american2004]

91. love the music

nt

[TommyO]

110. You have to wonder why the Alaska Independence Party

is holding a secessionist conference in Tennessee.

[ejbr]

9. Rush, Sean, Bill O....where are ya pals?

Can't let this travesty against our great nation go unchallenged can you?

[ihavenobias]

30. It'll be fun to see how they ignore/dismiss this n/t

[jacobfloyd]

10. It's about goddamn time!

[peacetalksforall]

11. They just got to the good part - about it being a political party

- is there a second part?

Also, how long has it been since we've known about this?

And it just made it to corporate tv. Why?

Of course, I know, but it sure would be nice if Time-Warner told us - why?

[glinda]

22. They should get to the Religion part

[Jackpine Radical]

12. Somebody convince me this is going somewhere.

If they couldn't, or wouldn't, nail her on Troopergate, this is gonna mean nothing.

[Poll_Blind]

14. Holy shit- crazy mofo Palin gives "Keep up the good work" to AIP convention in 2008?!?!

Like around 9 minutes in- WHAT THE FUCK?!?!

PB

[ultraist]

31. "Keep up the good work"

Yes, Sarah totally legitimizes this radical fringe group that wants to seperate from the U.S.

I also noticed she used some code talk to them, saying, 'we're a state who wants to be SELF sufficient (seperatist)' and she touted the ALASKAN constitution, not the U.S. Constitution (again seperatist).

Sarah Palin pallin' around with domestic terrorists!

[Hope And Change]

15. K & R!

[stoge18]

16. K&R

What took so fucking long to get this on MSM?

[TheEuclideanOne]

27. #1 Let's count our blessings that they are actually covering it and

#2 I think that this is really great timing. My girlfriend follows politics quite a bit and she was telling me about it tonight. She never heard of it. That means that ALOT of people have never heard about it. This is so great. Wow, covering this story and hopefully the story of McCains ties to Hussein in one week.....NICE!!!

[mwb970]

118. It's so easy to forget that most Americans don't know what we know.

As another post here mentions, it used to be years before stuff we discuss every day becomes known to the masses. How Palin can say that Obama "pals around with terrorists" when she herself sleeps with a secessionist is way, way beyond me. Good thing for her the Troopergate report exonerated her so completely! :eyes:

[bertman]

17. ultraist, thank you thank you thank you for posting this.

I have to say that this is the first time that I have actually seen a CNN commentator actually seem to SAVOR bringing a can of whupass on a Repuke!!

I loves me some liberal media!!!! Finally, after all these years of waiting, hope is on the horizon.

[MyOwnPeace]

19. Palin Hates America!!!

This is TOO sweet!!!
Keep it going!!

[IndependentDem]

20. this is the video they need to show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIi4rbIXbkw

gets good around 5:30

[GinaMaria]

35. How to get this to CNN?

This was a missed opportunity, unless they will report more later.

[Doodler71]

21. YES!!!!!

I'm so glad the MSM is f i n a l l y reporting on this.

It's about time.

[usregimechange]

23. Why does she hate America?

[bettyellen]

24. and the fringe... loving it.

[offog]

26. McCain's campaign calls this a smear,

which is pretty rich, given the way Palin has been smearing Obama. Looks like the Repugs can dish it out, but they can't take it.

[tosh]

28. Rick Sanchez..he's shaping up to be a darn decent face on CNN.

[qanda]

29. It's very interesting that someone said Palin was wearing a polar bear her lapel the other day

And that just happens to be the symbol for the AIP.

[Dystopian]

32. KandR!!!

YES! I can't believe it....it's just too good!!

peace~

[GoneOffShore]

33. K&R

Chilling but in a nice way.

[GinaMaria]

34. missed opportunity

Someone here posted a videoclip of her at an AIP meeting. That should be sent to CNN.

Remember when it took the MSM years (if ever) to report some of the stuff that DUers had uncovered? Now it is only months later. :wow: Progress!!

On Edit: Independent Dem posted the link to this video in post #20 up thread.

[The Blue Flower]

36. Timing couldn't be better

This one will play until the election.

[liberalhistorian]

121. Let's hope that Obama uses this

during tonight's debate, preferably when McSame makes good on his threat to bring up that tired old Ayers bullshit. When he does, and you know he will, Obama should just smile and say, "senator, I have three words for you. Alaska. Independence. Party."

But, of course, it's never fair to question the patriotism of repubs, only Dems.

[speedoo]

37. K&R. Great stuff, the truth. nt

[greenmutha]

38. Wow... is it Christmas already?

The gifts just keep on coming! :bounce:

[always_saturday]

39. Thanks so much for posting this!

I'm stunned that CNN is actually doing its job for once.

I hope more networks follow their lead but I won't hold my breath.

[urbanaddictiondotcom]

40. Rick Sanchez

I follow Rick on Twitter and he has been looking forward to covering this story on CNN for a while now. I hope they keep the Palin/McCain ties in the for front of the news.

[Essene]

41. K&R

[fascisthunter]

42. So... Now We See a Common Cause of the GOP and AIP

They really do hate our government and our diverse American culture. Their right wing agenda is not to just "partake" in our democratic system, but to actually it take over, and replace it with totalitarianism. As for the America they claim to love, it too is just what they claim it is, just like their flavor in of god.

[Stop Cornyn]

43. WOW!

[iamthebandfanman]

44. no theres no connection all!

i mean, she just spoke at their convention!
gosh! damn you cnn for making up lies to show they were buddies!



lol
gotta love republicans.

you have proof, on video, that she was atleast friends with the party...
but oh no, theres no connection whatsoever.

[Window]

46. K/R.

:kick:

[concerned canadian]

47. hahaha Palin is so stupid that she thought she could try to destroy Obama's

character and credibility, and that no-one would check out her very recent dubious past! And McCain tries

to compare telling the truth about her as questioning Obama's religion? They will go down in history as

running the most dumb campaign in American history. Looks good on her.

[RaleighNCDUer]

126. And that is the whole thing.

She is WAY out there, and is so immersed in a culture that is way out there, that she thinks it is mainstream.

It's rather like the child rapers of the FLDS - they THINK they are the normal ones, and nobody they deal with on a regular basis ever tells them otherwise until the day the federal marshals show up.

Palin can look at Obama - who doesn't look like anyone she knows and has both African and Muslim roots in his tree - and sees "different". She looks at Ayers, and sees "dangerous radical".

She looks at her husband, and sees "sweetie pie". Despite her husband ALSO being mixed race and mixed ethnicity, and being a long time member of a radical separatist organization.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

135. Republicans are the power party, they don't care about the truth. Democratic is truth party. Power?

Republicans are the power party, they don't care about the truth. They'll push all their smears and lies and think that they can fool all of the people all of the time. They are so infatuated and awed and corrupted by power that they fool themselves into believing that their own flaws don't matter.

The Democratic party is the truth party. Power? Sometimes they don't seem to care.

Thank goodness Obama seems to understand both truth and power.

[grannylib]

48. Kick! If this were Michelle Obama, the M$M whores would be all over it non-stop,

24/7. About time this got some airplay...let's help it get and keep some TRACTION!

[mcollier]

60. The message needs to be presented

Palin and McCain need to answer some serious questions...

[Heather MC]

49. I didn't know she was at their 2006 Convention

Whoo hoo more dirt

[OnionPatch]

51. This is the first time the MSM has covered this??

I guess I haven't been paying enough attention, but I can't believe this is the first time they've covered this. If Obama's or Biden's spouse had been involved with a party that supports secession from the United States it would have exploded into the media long, long ago and been played on a loop like the Howard Dean scream. The political double-standard in this country is astounding.

[Poll_Blind]

52. Onion, yes this is the first time it's been covered. I highly recommend watching the whole....

...segment if you haven't, it's damning in the extreme.

PB

[Norrin Radd]

145. Rachel Maddow has mentioned it several times on MSNBC.

[cvoogt]

54. Email CNN if they're not covering things

I actually emailed them about a Salon article on AIP, and like to think I had something to do with this gaining traction ;)
The reality of it is probably that they had many thousands of people like me doing the same thing ... so I just wanted to say - CNN does seem to listen to their website feedback. If they are not covering something, let them know and provide credible sources to back it up!!

[sattahipdeep]

55. todd Snow FLAKES only fall so fast

"Is it just me or do things move quick around here?" Todd Palin told ABC News.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hang on todd the rides just begun.

Thanks ultraist

[TaffyMoon]

56. this story has been around for weeks, why wasn't it picked up

before now?

[stark6935]

57. Props to Rick the dirty Sanchez.

[Turborama]

58. DIGG IT!

Hi guys!

It makes me really happy to be making my 1st post on this forum with this...


http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/CNN_on_Palin_s_Membership_in_the_Radical_Group_AIP

[doublethink]

63. Welcome to DU Turborama !!!

:hi:

[ljm2002]

65. Welcome to DU!

I think you're gonna like it here!

[Turborama]

166. Thanks a lot for your kind welcome guys...

...I'm looking forward to posting some really good stuff about McCainiac and Plain that needs to go viral. How long does it take before a newy can start posts?

[ann_american2004]

93. dugg n/t

[rainlillie]

59. My friends and I...Sent CNN and all of the other networks the story

about the Palin's and the AIP last Friday. We didn't think they would do the story, because we didn't hear back from them. We even provided them with links and quotes from the AIP founder.

[dooner]

73. Good job!

That type of well-documented research effort can pay off.

[usregimechange]

61. She needs to explain this

[laconicsax]

62. Could this guy equivocate any more?

'We don't know if he was a member'
'It looks like if Todd Palin was a member of AIP, he didn't really participate.'
'It's not clear...'

They're doing their best to sweep this under the carpet.

:puke:

[RBInMaine]

64. THIS SHOULD SINK THE BITCH AND MCBUSH !!!

[amyrose2712]

66. K&R!! FInally!

I'm glad to see this finally. But they counter with the ACORN bullshit on Situation Room.

[LiberalLovinLug]

67. Palingate

[Ronbeaux]

68. The McCain Camp's response to this was strange too.

They emailed the show and said that this report was equivalent to talking about Obama's religion. What a strange remark. I immediately thought that they must be admitting that AIP was Palin's religion.

[Poll_Blind]

69. They were in the process of shitting a brick when that e-mail was fired off.

  If anyone else chooses to bring it up, like Olbermann, it's going to get very hot in the kitchen.

PB

[Doodler71]

71. Keith Olbermann was on fire tonight,

it wouldn't surprise me if he hits on this too.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

:dem:

[PatSeg]

87. I'm pretty sure AIP and Sarah

have come up on Countdown already (or Rachel's show), though not as long a segment.

[PatSeg]

89. Here is one clip where Keith mentions AIP

and Todd's membership. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/27075855#27075855

[Democat]

103. McCain: AIP = Palin's Religion!

That's scary!

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

70. Wow!

CNN went and got the best there is, David Neiwert! Amazing! :applause:

[MagicKenny]

72. FINALLY!

Please, please, PLEASE - put this EVERYWHERE. I pray that media outlets throughout our nation see this and start asking the same hard questions. Guilty by association? You, Palin Two, are therefore damned as anti-American traitors.

[ann_american2004]

84. Yes, FINALLY!

the gentleman from Salon almost downplayed Todd and Sarah's involvement too much. I understand what he is doing -- not going over the top --and instead allowing other reporters to mention his article and do some digging, too. But I have been waiting for this forever.

It is too funny how McCain's camp feebly tries to compare this to a religious smear instead of the obvious 'guilt by SERIOUS association' (even card carrying memberships!). Could it be team McCain are so disorganized they dont even understand that the AIP is not a religious organization but an example of domestic terrorists whose founding 'father' was murdered in a plastic explosives deal gone bad? McCain's crew are a miserable bunch.

Weasel out of that Sarah Palin -- fraternizing with domestic America-hating terrorists much Palin?

[Poseidan]

74. Palin is a trained dog

She is a robot, programmed by shadowy masters.

Politicians today who use religion do it because they are of such low quality, they cannot succeed without religion. Exactly as the governments of old. Palin though, does not use religion, but rather, is used by religion (which is 1000x worse).

I'm not sure when the United States has had a worse candidate, if ever. Such a maverick leader she is, that when commanded, she sits, stays and rolls-over. Electing her would be electing her puppet-masters.

[BaracudaCrusher]

78. What I understand from Salon's report:

Sarah Palin had an open door policy with extremists, Mark Chryson and Steve Stoll, and a friendship. They helped her get elected and then Palin backed Chryson as he worked to change the Alaska State Constitution's language to make it easier to form anti-government militias. She joined in their vendetta against several local officials they disliked, and listened to their advice about hiring. She attempted to name Stoll, a John Birch Society member, to a Wasilla City Council seat. "Every time I showed up, her door was open," said Chryson.

Basically, they helped her get elected and she did favors for them, including while she was governor. Palin DOES pal around with extremists!

[louis-t]

133. Can you say "married to the mob"?

I knew you could.

[dooner]

79. Can this story be found on the cnn.com at all?

I've searched and can't find a link or mention of this story. Any ideas?

[dooner]

88. CAN ANYBODY FIND THIS STORY/VIDEO ON THE CNN WEBSITE?

ANYWHERE? Did it get wiped?

[ds55]

90. Wiped Clean Apparently

I can't find the story or video anywhere on cnn.com, I guess McCain campaign threatened them. Good thing the video is still on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAm-Nvk3FAw
Somebody better copy it before it disappears from YouTube, too.

[ann_american2004]

94. wiped clean? how is that possible?

Isn't that censorship???

[ddrucken]

96. CNN Transcript found

See the post in this discussion topic:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=215001&mesg_id=215383

[dooner]

130. Thank you!

That's a start.

[Lefty48197]

80. That Joe Volger sounds like a mainstream Republican

Unfortunately, "mainstream Republican" means anti-American seditionist these days.

[jeff30997]

81. K&R

This is getting weirder every days.At least you'll end up with a Great Leader.

Over here it's getting grim:


At 11:36 pm Leading:

Conservative:

143 seats

37.4% of the Popular vote


Liberal:

75 seats

27.1% Popular vote

To have a majority you need 155 seats. :(

[Starlight]

141. Sorry to hear that.

:(

[ExPatLeftist]

82. ABOUT TIME. n/t

[alteredstate]

83. K & R

[bobd0]

85. Sarah and Todd Palin 'PALLIN' AROUND WITH "TERRISTS"!!!

Gosh darn it and doggone. Who woulda' thunk it?

I've been calling these people fundie wackos since day one. I think I might have to reconsider. They're fundie wacko terrorists.

Why is it when Republicans talk about the overthrow of the U.S. government they call themselves "patriots" but when anyone else does it they call them terrorists?

I certainly hope Homeland Security is looking into the Palins and AIP. :)

[Kalifornia.Kid]

86. Stupid is as Stupid does ...

[bobd0]

114. HAHAHAHA! Very funny. But Forest Gump was another Einstein compared to that dimwit Palin.

"That's all I have to say about that."

[democracy1st]

92. K & R

[ddrucken]

95. CNN transcript link for Neiwert interview

Here is the link to the CNN transcript for the interview.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/14/cnr.07.html

The transcript contains the full Rick Sanchez segment. The David Neiwert interview is about a 5th of the way down the transcript.

[ds55]

97. Transcript... still no video?

Thank you very much! I wonder why the video is still not there?

[ddrucken]

99. Copy of video found on Neiwert's blog: Crooks and Liars

This is a better copy of the video than the one on YouTube plus bonus comments and links from David

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/palins-fringe-elements

[ddrucken]

98. Transcript of the remaining portion of the Niewert interview

(snip)

SANCHEZ: They were watching this conversation that you and I were having.

And they say, this would be no different -- quote -- "than if your network ran a piece questioning Senator Obama's religion."

Is this in any way a religious organization, the AIP?

NEIWERT: Not at all. It is purely political. It's secular.

Some of the members are very definitely fundamentalist Christians, but the AIP, itself, is not involved in religious issues, except to the extent that it is involved with the Constitution Party of the United States. This is the larger national umbrella that they organize under. And the Constitution Party is definitely a theocratic party.

SANCHEZ: Why -- let me ask you, why are you doing -- why you think the American people should know about this?

NEIWERT: Well, a couple of reasons.

One of the things my partner on this story, Max Blumenthal, points out is that the AIP has specifically had a program of infiltration aimed at getting members and their sort of camp followers promoting within the other political parties. And, obviously, the Republican Party is a lot closer in Alaska to the AIP than the Democratic Party is.

SANCHEZ: Are they responsible for her ascendance, then, in any way, or...

NEIWERT: We have no evidence of that.

But we do have the chairman of the AIP back in 2004 talking about Sarah Palin as an example of the kind of person that they want to have rising through the ranks and infiltrating other parties.

SANCHEZ: Infiltrating, interesting choice of words.

NEIWERT: Yes.

SANCHEZ: David Neiwert with Salon.com, thank you, sir, for taking time and taking us through this investigative piece in regards to Max Blumenthal, who I know is your associate in writing this as well.

NEIWERT: Thank you.

[political_Dem]

105. Thanks for posting that. I wanted to see the rest.

eom

[mary195149]

100. The other video of AIP

This video has been circulating but I haven't seen it lately. Since they circulated one of the AIP videos, maybe the MSM is willing on bringing this video out also. I sent it also to Rick Sanchez.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NK2sFJebGc

[political_Dem]

106. I wonder how they are truly going to answer this.

The proof is there. They can't even wiggle away from this if they tried. The other You Tube videos alone show that Palin was caught red handed in lying about her certain "affiliations".


This is getting good. :popcorn:

[pam4water]

102. Wow Rich Sanchez did a story that did't involve tasers or blow jobs.

And it all most liked like he had a brain, amazing. What's next?

[zk22]

104. Here is the truth. Sarah Palin AIPgate, Alaskan independence party member secessionist

Want the truth that CNN did not report correctly?

Sarah Palin was a AIP member.

Sarah Palin AIPgate, Alaskan independence party member secessionist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twOPPzrkBwk


Spread the truth

[Solly Mack]

107. So...AIP is Palin's religion? snort

alrighty then...

[barack the house]

108. Good on you CNN it would be best to play the clip where he says it and Palin's AIP convention clip >

for full effect.

[Road Scholar]

109. K & R nt

:kick:

[bunner]

111. McCains Tactics

I heard on the Today Show this morning that McCain is going to hit Obama with the Ayers thing again in tonights Debate.I wish that Obama would use the information about Palin and McCains man who was involved with Saddam Hussein.This was on The Huffington Post.

[gingersnaps1]

112. Nice!!! I want newspapers all over the country to run this story. And, meanwhile they are at it

they can run McCain's ties to Saddam Hussein as well.

[Patriought]

115. Sure hope Obama loads this up...

If John McCain brings up that bullsnot about Ayers tonight!

[torbird]

116. Just Kicking It.

[jhain]

117. Has this run again at any time?

Anyone seen it beyond the original airing?

[Tarc]

119. When did this air?

[bunner]

129. tarc

I watch the Today Show every morning at 7oclock Eastern time so it was at that time they were discussing McCains Tactics.This lady for the McCain Campaign said it,about Ayers-and that they have to show Obama isn't fit to run this country.

[bunner]

138. Campaign Advisers on Final Debate

The Video of these two is on-http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/27193583#27193583
I'm sorry I don't know how to put it on here.I'm a little old-going to be 70 in January.
I love Obama and Joe Biden

[alfredo]

120. It's about fuckin time!

[DesertRat]

122. k&r

[whistle]

123. Ask Sarah Palin what she thinks about making Alaska an independent country?

Alaska Independence Movement
Submitted by SadInAmerica on 2008, April 23 - 4:22pm.
There are many potential Kosovos in the international community – a great number of these within the United States of America itself, where the Lakota people claim their right to a huge swathe of territory across the north of the country, the peoples of Aztlan in the south proclaim their right to independence and today, the Alaska Independence Movement presents its case in PRAVDA.Ru

"Political parties, both Republican and Democrat, dominate from Washington, D.C., and quite understand the political problems, or opportunities, in an arctic and subarctic country." ~ Walter J. Hickel



"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."


Joe Vogler




An Interview submitted by Lynette Clark, Chairman, Alaskan Independence Party



1. What can you tell us about any new strategies or ideas developed at the recent Alaska Independence Party convention?


Yes, AIP members voted to support taking the Statehood case their founder, Joe Vogler, had prepared, and present same, to the United Nations for full International review.




2. Is there any progress on organizing a vote about secession?


At this point, some progress. The AIP leadership realizes more education of Alaska's population regarding this slice of Alaskan History is necessary and have committed to that effort. When the vote occurs, an informed public is necessary.




3. I doubt very many US citizens know the particulars regarding what happened when Alaska was made a state. Would you tell the readers how Alaskans were denied a vote on secession in the past? It says on your website: "voting was corrupt and residents were not given the proper choice between statehood, commonwealth status, or complete separation - something they say has been granted to other U.S. territories such as Puerto Rico."



The rights of Alaskans, as the residents of a Non-Self Governing Territory, were protected by many UN General Assembly Resolutions. The U.S Government was under obligation to assure that “the right of people and nations to Self-Determination is exercised.” People of Alaska were never given a chance to exercise their right to cast the most important vote in their life. Native Alaskans were not allowed to vote because most of them could not read or write in English, and while the rest of Alaskan population was trying to make a sense of what was happening to them, the U.S. Government encouraged the 41,000 U.S. Military Personnel and 36,000 of age their dependents “to help Alaskans” and vote “yes” on statehood.

With 40,000 votes for the statehood and 8,000 votes against it is not difficult to see how this “voting was corrupt”. Alaska was no different from other colonies, as Algerians did not see themselves as a part of France, or as Libyans did not see themselves as a part of Italy, most Alaskans did not see themselves as a part of U.S.A. Within the frames of International Law and established political practices of that time it would be natural for Alaskans to vote for Independence and not remain “a colonial warehouse of natural resources to fuel the factories of the United States.”




4. How you do think the recent declaration of the Lakota Nation by the Lakota tribe might affect your plan to be placed on the list of "non-self governing territories"?

While the colonies in South America, Asia and Africa attained their freedom, people and tribes in North America are still struggling for Independence. But times are changing and people who had suffered the injustice by the North American colonial masters are making their voice heard. Considering the past American history we do not expect a quick and easy solution coming from Washington DC, and this is why we are prepared to use non-violent means to achieve our goals - to request an International Inquiry as to the illegal “statehood vote” of August 26, 1958 and a free vote for Alaskans to determine their own future.



5. Can you explain exactly what is a non-self governing territory and how this will lead to independence?

The colonized territories previously claimed by UN Signatory Nations and lately being supervised by UN Member-State, had been given a legal status as Trusts or as Non–Self-Governing Territories. Since native population did not have the necessary political and administrative institutions in place to govern the land, the colonizing powers or trusties had to provide the services to local population. In due time, as the local population progresses itself into a functional society, demonstrating ability of self-governance, the Trusties were obligated to assure the people would decide on their own form of government. AIP would expect, and United Nation rules mandate, the U.S. Government to facilitate the vote as:

1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State
The U.S. Government did not act in good faith and thus steered the whole process in one direction only – to retain Alaska as a part of the Union.



6. What exactly do you envision as a result of self-determination? And what role is the US constitution in this self-determination? What about federal taxation, the military and such?

The people of Alaska are "masters in their own house" and entitled to decide on their own future. Considering the availability of our natural resources and unique character of Alaskans, complete Independence would be the best logical outcome. We have a great respect for U.S. Constitution, most Alaskans see it as divinely inspired document and would like to keep as the Law of the Land. AIP would oppose any oppressive form of taxation and all the expenditures would be legislated locally in correlation with the Nation’s revenues.



7. Do you foresee conducting relations with other countries independently?

As stated in Burlington Declaration, a document adopted during 2006 First North America Secessionist Convention: “Nations once independent should engage in peace, commerce, good will and honest friendship with all nations.” We are prepared to keep good working relations with U.S., while developing strong commercial ties with our neighbors: Canada, Russia, Japan and China. Commerce and Free Trade is one of the hallmarks of a sovereign Nation.




8. What reaction have you had from the two major parties and their leaders?

They often attempt to marginalize or ignore us. However, they also often appeal to our members for support. Overall, however, AIP is widely respected and our history is well known.




9. Can you elaborate on the reference made to a "certain political elite"?

For example...

1. "During 2nd North American Secessionist Convention in 2007 the following truths have been agreed upon: (excerpt)


2. The privileges, monopolies, and powers that private corporations have won from government threaten everyone's health, prosperity, and liberty, and have already killed American self, government by the people.

3. The power of corporations endangers liberty as much as government power, especially when they are combined as in the American Empire.
Today American politicians in Washington DC, instead of representing the interest of American people, are promoting the interests of greedy International Corporations. This is why we believe the power must rest in the hands of the people and not with corrupt Washington DC “elite."




10. Can you familiarize our readers with the international laws you are relying upon to pursue your claims?


General Assembly Resolution 637, 16 December, 1952, (VII), considering the Right of people’s for self- Determination and a basic Human Right makes it clear: “3. The States Members of the United Nations responsible for the administration of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories shall take the practical steps, pending the realization of the right of self-determination and in preparation thereof, to ensure the direct participation of the indigenous populations in the legislative and executive organs of government of those territories, and to prepare them for complete self-government or independence”.


The U.S. Government completely neglected its responsibilities to the people of Alaska, which UN considered to be a Non-Self-Governing Territory, and did nothing to inform Alaskans about their Rights under that resolution. By allowing the U.S. Military Personnel and their of age dependents to vote on Alaska statehood on August 26, 1958, the U.S. Government forced its will on Alaskans. We believe that all these actions of the U.S. Government make the “statehood vote” of 1958 illegal and Alaska should retain the status of Non-Self-Governing Territory.




11. As you have presented your case to the UN, have you had any response as of yet from them or the international community?

Just when Mr. Vogler had letter in hand confirming UN sponsor contact, he was kidnapped and murdered. We start again.




12. Can you expand upon the official statement which alluded to the United States and the theft of natural resources in Alaska?



The AIP founder Mr. Joseph E. Vogler, described the situation the best: “An Alaskan economy (except for oil and government employment, financed by oil royalties and taxes) is practically non-existent. We are not allowed to process our oil before exporting it to the United States, and as mentioned before, they have the audacity to openly state that, ‘the production of Alaska's resources will create a great many jobs in other states, where they will be taken for manufacture and distribution.’ Alaska is nothing more than a colonial warehouse of natural resources to fuel the factories of the United States”. Today the situation remains pretty much the same.





13. What will become of US military assets or bases located in Alaska?

As an Independent Nation, and, with the understanding of the strategic location of Alaska, it would serve Alaskan interests to maintain a U.S. presence. The military have been good neighbors. However, as a sovereign nation, Alaska could broker the leasing of the land and air space reserved for military installations and set the requirements for environmental responsibility in the use of that land. We would also insist that all environmental damage as a result of past military activities be comprehensibly addressed and remedied.




14. What reaction if any have you had from the US government about secession plans?

None. Which leads one to believe either AIP is correct, or we're all under surveillance!

Lisa Karpova - Russia - April 20, 2008 - posted at http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/

[myrna minx]

124. K&R n/t

[GreenEyedLefty]

125. Happy to be Rec #145

The lack of irony on the part of the McCain't and Palindrone campaign is nothing short of astounding.

[fryguy]

127. whip-saws their Ayers attacks

they should have seen this one coming from a mile away as they kept pressing the Ayers story.....

[lonestarnot]

131. Is McMoosilinie well done yet?

:rofl:

[Shoelace]

148. LOL! well done now, fried to a crisp if the story gets out there

in other news media.

[lonestarnot]

169. krispie critteries, the one and only cereal that comes in the shape of animals.

;)

[lonestarnot]

134. Why isn't this cross posted in all forums?

[Willo]

136. Volger's hatred for America is crystal clear.

If some of his statements were read aloud at McCain rallies, they would believe Obama said it and start foaming at the mouth.

I would love to hear one of them try and explain why Palin is still acceptable.

[WoodyD]

140. Love how the McCain campaign calls this a "smear"

How is relating the facts regarding the AIP a "smear"? Obama's connection to Ayers was distant and tenuous. Caribou Barbie is literally sleeping with the enemy. Love the significance of the polar bear pin. Dog whistle to the separatists back home. 'Cause as the Republicans have been saying all along, it's all about the lapel pins.

This has been ALL OVER the blogosphere for weeeks. About time the MSM picked it up.

[johnlal]

142. "This would by like running a story questioning Obama's religion"

The complaint by the McCain Campaign is hilarious. They pretend that Obama's religion hasn't been instensly scrutinized by the media. The media has run stories about Reverend Wright ad nauseum, as well as followups on baseless charges that he attended a madrassa. They have even looked at whether his middle name "should be fair game" in the election.

[roberto]

143. sorry, but I do not see the point. ... nothing critical ... in there...

There's nothing in there. I mean, he was member of that stuff, but he did merely participate. And finally in the video, she was just telling them that they were in reality americans ... nothing compromising ...

and moreover coming from CNN ... from CNN ...


Rather it look like something alike this could be used by McCain for something...

[ds55]

144. "...merely participate"?

Todd Palin was a member of AIP, he participated as much as any of the other AIP members participated. The fact that he joined and thus agreed to their separatist doctrines is very damning for his wife, who is running for VP under the motto "Country First". I'm sure the McCain campaign would like this to be overlooked.

I think Sarah should at least reject & renounce the AIP doctrines and explain her family’s connections to the group, instead of just ignoring what investigative reports have found.

Obama has given his explanation of Ayers connections many times over.
Sarah Palin has not once spoken about AIP and now would be a good time for her to ‘fess up.

[ann_american2004]

150. This is exactly why she will never answer those questions

this why they are sequestering her from reporters and why if they are elected, God forbid, we will never get an answer. Untouchables. wonder what Palin would look like in a powdered wig. That's what she really aspires to--not six pack joe mama - she thinks she is royalty and God-ordained.

[Norrin Radd]

146. I haven't looked at CNN since the early 90's.

Weird thatthey now insist on announcing the political leaning of the guest representative of a periodical, printed or online.

[Shoelace]

147. new rule for CNN: Announce the right/left leanings of all guests

so we know which side they are on, right? Geez, I can't believe they did that to him. Well, they have buried this story - not another peep from CNN about Palin and her AIP connections. CNN should announce their leanings as "conservative" so we know that Rick Sanchez was brave enough to slip that report in under the radar!.

[Norrin Radd]

154. All guests from now on should ask the question in kind, of CNN.

[Shoelace]

165. absofrackinglutely!lol

and all of a sudden, Rick Sanchez is hot property on CNN. Hey maybe he IS "getting it"?

[mzmolly]

149. Couple points. 1. Did anyone catch Palin's mention of making Alaska a "self sufficient state?"

2. A note to the McCain camp, CNN DID run a piece questioning Obama's religion.

Scroll down here: http://fightthesmears.com/articles/3/baracksfaith

[ann_american2004]

152. I cant find this anymore on CNN either

so they completely squashed it and when I do a search nothing comes up for AIP and Palin...hmmmm. They chickened out and yet on and on, every half hour they are talking about the dallas cowboy's names appearing, blah blah blah.

When I was a kid, the most popular was the trix rabbit or mickey mouse. It doesnt mean they are going to vote. The real PROBLEM is not in registration but it IS in voter Suppression. Yet these two stories: VOTER SUPPRESSION and PALIN'S AIP CONNECTIONS are almost completely ignored or brushed aside. I'm glad it had a chance to be aired at least once anyway.

[prairie populist]

153. Holy. Fucking. Shit....

This group seems to bear a strong ideological resemblance with the Posse Comitatus movement of the 1980s that was so widespread across the Midwest and Inter-Mountain West during the farm crisis. If I remember right Idaho was a Posse Comitatus stronghold. Anybody know if there are connections with her Idaho roots and that fringe element?

[Az_lefty]

155. Holy cow, they nailed it! It's about time the Palin's activities were exposed.

[CADEMOCRAT7]

156. This is great, so glad CNN is covering it. Thanks for the post. n/t

[roberto]

157. well let's see... I do not believe CNN, runs for M'cain....

I do not believe CNN ...
So the news there has been published for something ...

All they want is that we go into this kind of strategy, cos it is their usual field of work.

Don't change the route now, we're so close to the airport.

We do not need this kind of histories, now.

[olegramps]

158. Help old fart

How can I send this video to someone? Is that possible?

[texastoast]

161. You can send them this link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAm-Nvk3FAw

and anyone you send it to can click on the link and see the video

Maybe someone knows how to make that into media file, but I don't.

Hope this helps.

[Turborama]

167. Re: You can send them this link

I've got it as a media file, it's 27.3 Megs though...

You can grab it from youtube using this (it's free and very user friendly):
http://www.stagegold.com/Cinemaforge/Default.aspx

[PallinAroundWitPalin]

159. This campaign is like a bad dream...

I cant imagine things can get any weirder or more true than this video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1exiyBYnJ00

I think the only problem with it is that things evolve so quickly on this campaign that they couldnt include EVERYTHING!

Still awful funny don't ya think?

[Rainngirl]

160. WooHoo!

Who's the domestic turrist now, you ignorant, fake beauty queen-who-gets-uglier-every-time-she-opens-her-mouth, hmmm?

[muntrv]

162. McCain's not happy? Why? Just because it makes him a hypocrite doesn't

mean he has to be unhappy!

[LynnTheDem]

163. Poor saray; such a total idiot. And what happened to her accent...

Oh dear, poor saray, such a poseur.

[Vogon_Glory]

164. Hey, CNN, Did The Wizard Slip You Some Courage?

Hey, CNN! What could POSSIBLY give you guys the cojones to REPORT this story? What made you show the nerve to defy the whack-job right and broadcast one of the biggest open secrets floating around cyberspace for the last several months? Did some subversive who actually takes loyalty to the US constitution seriously actually inspire you to show a little COURAGE? If so, invite him or her to slip you some more of the stuff. Your showing backbone is LONG overdue.

Try to show that backbone more often.