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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 12:48 AM
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Countdown - Prof. Jonathan Turley - on prosecuting crimes
 
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 01:02 AM
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1. Spain prosecutions. Turley always interesting. rec
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 01:59 AM
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 03:55 AM
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3. Are you kidding me?
"It's WELL KNOWN Obama's PROTECTING Bush and Cheney"... Obama needs to move forward on this NOW!
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 04:07 AM
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4. fascinating nt knr
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 04:11 AM
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5. forgot!
KNR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 07:11 AM
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6. K&R
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 08:54 AM
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7. K&R. Can there be any doubt that Obama was threatened
about this? That his or his families' lives were put on the line, lest anything happen to Darth and Dummy?
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Mulehead Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 08:58 AM
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8. Don't forget Chicago Politics Rule Number 1:
Never get in the way of a perfectly good train wreck.

With the Big Dickster mouthing off high and low on the MSM about how groovy his torture tactics were in protecting the U.S., he's basically making post-facto, public admissions of his and BushCo's guilt as war criminals. The Obama Administration is well aware that the International legal community as represented by Spain is beginning to investigate, and in all likelihood will indict and try the lower hanging fruitcakes, e.g. Yoo, Gonzo, Feith, etc. in absentia first, then Sick Dicko and Dubya later, and its findings will be made known within a year or two, and the U.S. will at some point inevitably receive official notice, probably from the International Court of Justice in the Hague, that it is harboring these indicted war criminals, at which point Obama can go on TV and say, "Hey guys, its not me who wants to try the BushCo criminals, its our allies, and so there is nothing I can do but to take the high road and appoint a Federal SP (even money it's Patty Fitzgerald?) to look into it and investigate it ourselves", thus washing his hands of the matter. In the meantime, for the next year or so, Darth Cheney can go around all he wants and blather and provide de facto admissions of guilt; further hoisting his sick, twisted, psycho fat ass up by his proverbial petard. He will soon find out the truth that, as FDR's 2nd VP once observed, that "being the Vice President isn't worth a bucket of warm spit!" goes twice as much for ex-Vice Presidents.

But here is where the Chicago part comes into it: Cheney and Bush know that the sword is hanging over their heads, and Obama knows they know it, and he knows they know he knows; and as long as the latter takes no action, the other two can't lead secret coups and cabals against him as they are, in effect, pariahs to everyone including to most of the reactionary stall-warts of the Whigpublican party, if not to their troglodyte fan base; and they can thus gain little or no sympathy from the Reich wing noise machine and the Reich wing can not now make political hay before the mid-term elections out of what would be an immense uproar they could create were Obama to go after BushCo while he's got bigger fish to fry, so to speak. So while it may look to those not from Chicago that Obama and Rahm are protecting the BushCo war criminals, they in fact are fully aware that the BushCo boys aren't going to get un-guiltier with time; they know that the Spanish prosecutor's train is leaving the station, and that it will barrel down the tracks nicely without any effort on their part, and provide them with the perfect opportunity to hang these bastards down the road at a much more convenient time without losing much in the way of political capital, while providing the Administration with the time and space it needs right now to deal with the pressing populist issues such as jobs and the economy (and the mid-term votes that success in turning the economy around will provide to House and Senate Democrats). Obama knows Bush and Cheney will face their day in court, if not this year, then probably right after he gains fillibuster proof Congressional majorities after November, 2010; and he also knows he doesn't have to lift a finger before then while the Spaniards do the heavy lifting and pile on the coal and steam for him. Yes, inevitably the Obama Administration will take a political hit internationally, but tough Merde. Malfeasance in not prosecuting suspected war criminals (and they are only suspect until the Spanish or International Courts actually indict them) is a relative traffic misdemeanor compared to capital war crimes. So America ends up looking like even bigger bastards than the rest of the world truly knows us to be. But last I looked, the world doesn't vote in U.S. or Chicago elections. Yes, morally it stinks like the South Side Stockyards, but hey, welcome to Chicago.

One more thing: it took the Israelis 16 years to find, try, and hang Eichmann, and 50 years for the U.S. to expel John Demjanjuk; so really, there is no statute of limitations on war crimes. Patience, good people; justice soon come.
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travelingtypist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 09:05 AM
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9. Did you post this in its own thread?
Edited on Tue Mar-31-09 09:05 AM by travelingtypist
If not, you should. It's a great post. Nice work.
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Mulehead Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 09:25 AM
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10. Thanks, TravelingTypist
No, I've been lurking DU for years, but am kinda new to posting. So I'm not up on all the etiquette.
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travelingtypist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 09:34 AM
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11. Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like a schoolmarm.
I just thought it's a good post. I shouldn't have made any
other comment if you were going to be so sensitive.
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Mulehead Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 10:26 AM
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12. Oh, no, TT, you misunderstand
I was sincere in my thanks to your kind words, wasn't being sensitive, sorry if there was any snark in my reply at all. I am new to DU and don't know even where to put an original post. Really, thanks very much for the kind words to my original reply.

Peace,

Mulehead
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travelingtypist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 10:42 AM
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13. I'm coming off of a long night of work, so am a litle frayed.
Something like what you had to say about Chicago politics would be
perfect the General Discussion forum. Just go in and click up top
on "post." I don't remember what the rules are for post count required
to start a new post, but I think you have that.

I think you're right. I think Obama being a "lethal Chicago pol" has
everything to do with him being able to rope-a-dope the Pugs so far. A
naturally gifted politician along with being a strategic and tactical
thinker and having street smarts, too? I'm glad he's on my side.

Peace.

TT

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Mulehead Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 11:09 AM
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15. No problem, TT.
I'm glad BHO is so formidable too, it was so pleasurable to be able to vote for someone that I think is way smarter than I am after years of having to watch that nanobrained Bush in action. It's actually highly entertaining to watch all the "almost as dumb as Dumbya" Reichwing dolts misunderestimate Obama. Obviously their ingrained country club bigoted whiteyness makes it impossible for them to understand that they are being totally outclassed by a person of color.

Thanks for the posting tips, I'll think about what you said about the GD.

Keep on Typin'!

Peace,

Mulehead
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Titonwan Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 07:48 PM
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18. Go fly a kite, will ya.
Cheney isn't long for this world with his weak ass ticker and I want to see him PAY.
If he dies before he sees the inside of a courtroom, the rethugs will honor him as a hero (like dumbass, senile Ronnie Raygun).
Patience, my ass, I'm going after these crooks. NOW
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 10:32 PM
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20. I hope...
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 11:06 AM
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14. I have a problem with this.
And that problem is that everyone acts as though there was no reason for torture. It had to be sadism in the white house or something, because everyone knew you'd get bad information, or should have.

The white house knew that there would be a plethora of bad information AND FALSE CONFESSIONS. Those false confessions were the point of torture, and that's why it was done. Pick an enemy, torture him until he gives you the (false) information you want, get him to sign a confession, and provide that information to the press and the public. You then look infallible, can win the second election, keep the wars going, keep filling your personal coffers and those of friends, and you can always re-write history later...unless you get charged with war crimes.

This was done quite deliberately.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 06:19 PM
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16. Kick and rec.
I always appreciate hearing these two talk.
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Titonwan Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 07:44 PM
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17. K&R! Obama's fukcing up BIG TIME.
He's probably fearing for his life, but the President has to be courageous for ALL of us. Dick Cheney, without a doubt, still
has moles in place but there's a simple solution for that: Operation Valkyrie. Round up the usual suspects and fire them or subpoena them
for their complicity in Dick's and El Smirko's crimes. Join http://www.AfterDowningStreet.org and GET INVOLVED!
Let's make them PAY FOR THEIR CRIMES!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 08:39 PM
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19. Thanks everyone! n/t
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