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BrokenBeyondRepair Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 05:27 PM
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Ron Paul: Bad Foreign Policy Started with Woodrow Wilson
 
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 05:40 PM
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1. Libertarians hated the League of Nations. And hate the U.N. Go figure.
Eh.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 05:53 PM
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2. The guy makes alot of sense
I think bad foreign policy started with our war in the Philipines when we liberated them from the Spanish and then wouldn't leave, but anyone who saw the millions of men dieing in the trenches over some petty European squabble and thought, "Damn, we need to get in on that!" has got to be questioned. People like to tie the World Wars together, but WWI was radically different from WWII in terms of why it was being fought.
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chchchanges Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 07:46 PM
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7. If you think the Spanish-American war was for the liberation of Cuba and the Philippines...
... I have a nice bridge to sell you.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 05:54 PM
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3. This is the ugly isolationist side of Ron Paul. We can't withdraw
from the world, you doofus.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 06:49 PM
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4. We can't withdraw from the world stage; but we don't have to goose-step around the planet
Edited on Mon May-21-07 06:52 PM by Benhurst
as the World's Only Superpower, fighting illegal and immoral wars to establish and maintain an empire.

Paul is wrong, however. Bad American foreign policy started at least with William McKinley, probably with James K. Polk or earlier.
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primative1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 07:44 PM
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6. Why Cant We?
Hasnt the rest of the world withdrawn? Do we have some moral responsiblity to do what everyone else wont? Doesnt Japan still have a standing army of zero? They make Toyotas and we dig graves. Makes a lot of sense, huh?
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chchchanges Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 07:52 PM
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8. Because it is too late to pretend the rest of the world does not exist....
The biggest debtor nation does not have the luxury to simply go and cut its ties with the rest of the world.

There is no need for us to send our military overseas, however there is plenty of room for a level headed diplomatic foreign policy. Isolationism in the XXI century makes as much sense as dismantling the whole health care system and go back to witch doctors because the current for-profit HMO health care approach sucks. Libertarians seem to not have gotten the memo that the early 1800s are over.
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primative1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 08:02 PM
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9. Tell that to the Canadians ..
I dont see them flocking to join the crusades
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chchchanges Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 08:08 PM
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10. You don't get it...
I am not advocating for armed intervention, but rather diplomatic approaches. Canada does plenty of diplomacy, it is a very important player in the world stage, and it is far from isolationist.

BTW, I believe that one of the largest armed contingents in Afghanistan is Canadian.
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primative1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 08:20 PM
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11. I dont get it?
And to think the guys that actualy attacked us are in Afghanastan (area). If only our glorious military wasnt so bogged down elsewhere. What numbers does Canada have on the ground there? More than 10 advisors?
Canada has the luxury of being diplomatic knowing that their diplomats are backed up with the full faith and might of the US Pentagon.
Know what? Being the worlds policeman is just bad business. Ever see a breakdown on how many of the international pledges of aid that the US got for the first gulf war were ever actualy paid?
We got nothing back. Chumps! Oh wait, thats us. <play patriotic music>.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 06:59 PM
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5. whadya expect from a Libertarian.... nothing there but chaotic Anarchy, dismantling the middle class
and all social programs and institutions dismantled, schools, infrastructure..everything privatized with no oversight.. listen to neil Borscht.. there are no moderates.. the extremists will over run them, the neil types will make themselves an oligarchy.. and all of us slaves
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