Rep. Michele Bachmann and Chairman Barney Frank Face Off on ACORN Funding

[babylonsister]

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Rep. Bachmann and Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank face off on ACORN with CNN's Lou Dobbs. The question is, why should the federal government and the American taxpayer be funding supposedly non-profits groups like ACORN to the tune of billions of dollars? ACORN has been indicted and its employees convicted time and time again, yet the taxpayer continues to fund their fraudulent behavior.

[kickysnana]

1. Is that you talking or them? n/t

[LynnTheDem]

2. ACORN has never been charged - let alone indicted- with anything.

ACORN in fact obeyed the law.

But ya just can't convince rightwingnuts of FACTS.

Especially FACTS they don't like.

:rofl:

[Dave From Canada]

3. Actually, they've been charge in several states, the latest being Nevada.

[LynnTheDem]

5. No they have not.

Acorn workers have been charged.

As in Walmart staff being charged with fraud does not mean Wlamarts were charged with fraud.

In fact, Acorn is the victim.

[Dave From Canada]

14. Of course, just like A.I.G is the victim of A.I.G employees.

[Dave From Canada]

16. AP: Criminal charges filed against ACORN and two employees.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5isR8VrIHeni2GcKFAiy0OA1WG5kAD97VN57G1

[underpants]

11. Lynn right on this. ACORN itself is set up so it would be next to impossible for them to be charged

especially in voter registration cases. There is virtually no such thing as "Voting fraud"-something like 37 charges since 2002 and 3 of those were for civil rights infringement (want to take a guess who did those?)

ACORN has not been charged. Employees of ACORN have been charged. Two of the cases were reported BY ACORN, one ACORN fully complied when they found out, and the Vegas one was a careless office there doing what they should not have been done.

ACORN does outstanding work in lowering heating bills, ending predatory lending (old fashioned loan sharking as well the fancy new corporate "pay day" loan sharking), and housing issues. In housing ACORN and almost all the NGO non-porfits have a much lower default rate than any bank above the small community bank level.

[Dave From Canada]

15. AP: Nevada authorities filed criminal charges Monday against the political advocacy group ACORN and

two former employees.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5isR8VrIHeni2GcKFAiy0OA1WG5kAD97VN57G1

That's criminal charges filed against ACORN AND two former employees, meaning both the group and the workers.

[Hissyspit]

17. I would imagine the charges against ACORN will be thrown out. Looks pretty weak to me.

[underpants]

18. Okay I was wrong

that is the first time that I know of that ACORN itself was charged

As I said above (not to just be able to say I was right) they have it structured to diminish their liability and culpability. This quota is illegal in Nevada and they should have known better.

[Avidor]

6. Bachmann's Pardongate: Asked Bush for a pardon for an indicted and CONVICTED criminal

Frank Vennes Jr. was convicted and served time for money laundering, drug and gun trafficking.

Vennes is mixed up with the Petters Ponzi scheme.

Vennes contributed a lot of "dirty money" to Bachmann.

http://minnesotaindependent.com/32798/dirty-money-mn-teen-challenge-returned-bachmanns-contribution

http://minnesotaindependent.com/11967/bachmanns-pardon-gate-more-about-her-letter-withdrawing-pardon-request-for-petters-associate-vennes

[LatteLibertine]

4. Couldn't watch the vid

just thinking of these two arguing gave me a headache.

[Puzzler]

7. Aside from Bachmann's loathesome views, her forced grin is really annoying.

It a cheap info-mercial sales tactic.

[opihimoimoi]

8. That Bachmann is something else...her reasoning, cognitive deduction, is fucked up

[azurnoir]

9. She is using the voter registration scandal

to undercut the wing of ACORN that does mortgage counseling and is very effective in dealing with banks and mortgage companies

[underpants]

12. ACORN is their new boogie man

as you probably know 2 of the 8 US Attorneys were fired in New Mexico because they wouldn't file charges against ACORN just before he 2006 elections.

One of those was David Yglesias who was also the inspiration for the role of Lt. Kafee (Tom Cruise) in "A Few Good Men"

[underpants]

10. It is not the role of the "political parties" to do this-they don't know what they are talking about

And there is oversight. Some are directly funded apparently. Localities tend to dispense this money from HUD to the NGO and non-profits and they regularly review all expenditures and there are annual fiscal and compliance audits done BY the localities and reported to HUD.

The HUD scandal of the Reagan years (literally taking money from the poor and giving it to the rich political contributor contractors) was a product of contracting this work out. Does anyone think that THAT was a coincidence?

Bachmann has NO idea what she is talking about. It is not lying she simply doesn't know.
Dobbs doesn't either but that is just because he is reading talking points.

[destes]

13. "It is not lying she simply doesn't know. "

In her arena THAT should be indictable. Just as the traffic won't stop for a fender bender, so the process of her comeuppance should not disrupt governance. Let's roll.

[Narkos]

19. I can't watch..did Barney do well?

[underpants]

21. Well as usual

he pointed out that the Bush administration funded ACORN itself every year at over $1 million a year. "Why didn't the Republicans do anything about it then?"

Bachmann never came close to answering him. She "just has questions" ;-) . She also pointed out that she has only been in Congress since 2007, Barney asked again "Why didn't you say anything about it?"

Barney's other main point was that the amendment that Bachmann put on the budget bill called for a cut of funds if organizations were "indicted or convicted" he pointed out that anyone could indict one person from an organization and keep it open indefinitely. He is going to change the bill to only cover convictions.

Dobbs and Bachmann (she was just parroting Dobbs's mistatement) should "be up to the political parties" The RNC and DNC don't control funding you morons.

[tclambert]

20. "8.5 billion dollars is a huge amount of money."

Bachmann objected to that amount being spent on ACORN "and similar groups." So all of them together might be 8.5 billion, not ACORN alone. Republicans will huff and puff about a few million spent on something they don't like, but will they object to $700 billion spent on a war in Iraq, or a big bank bailout? Hell no. If automakers who employ union employees want to borrow $10 billion, THEN they'll burst with outrage.

[burning rain]

22. YouTube Member: RepMicheleBachmann

LOL. She serves up a smorgasbord of crazy BS.

[Stinger2]

23. Acorn is a Diversion, Republican Manufactured Voting Machines Involved in Election Fraud

Republican Manufactured Voting Machines Involved in Election Fraud"

"The Republicans will never give up their voting machines," said a top Republican party official to Charlie Matulka, the Democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate seat in Nebraska. This statement was in response to Charlie's very public protest against the conflict-of-interest inherent in the candidacy of Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE). Hagel has held top executive positions (and still has investments) in companies that owned the machines that counted the vote in Nebraska this election and last. 2002

http://www.voxfux.com/articles(closed)/00000048.htm

Acorn is a Diversion, the real crooks have taken the money in Billions and excited the stage. What Congress really did was to throw $2.65 billion dollars at the states, so that they could lavish it on a handful of private companies that are controlled by ultra-conservative Republicans, foreigners, and felons.

[scentopine]

24. Dobbs is wrong wrong wrong

Two dopes.

It is not the role of political parties to fund non-profits. Bachmann crying over millions of dollars for non-profits. Meanwhile bailout recipient Goldman Sachs average salary is $500,000 per employee. Bachmann and Dobbs outraged! - just outraged! at a small non-profit trying to build local citizenship and help out with housing. Two fingers on a chalk board nasty.

No doubt Bachmann feels she is entitled to suck of the teats of her corporate sponsors and take advantage of public funded benefits and salary because of the purity of her "own" individual efforts natural intellectual talent.

[democracy1st]

25. Barney kicked their a... LOL