Cops pull over EMTs on route to hospital - fight ensues - caught on Camera

[HamiltonHabs32]

Run time: 02:40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aAOAwjBMRY   Posted on YouTube: May 28, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: May 28, 2009 By DU Member: HamiltonHabs32 Views on DU: 6461

 

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Video of unedited fight here http://bit.ly/cOTcK - Oklahoma Cops and Paramedics fight all while a sick woman sits in the back of the EMT. Incident was recorded by Kenyada Davis
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[liberal N proud]

1. WTF

[sakabatou]

3. +1

[sakabatou]

2. Oh for the love of the FSM...

[Schema Thing]

4. Good god I am enraged. what the holy fuck???

[dotymed]

20. ANOTHER

Blatant attempt at DWB(driving while black). The cops these
days are taught to be STORMTROOPERS. No one has the right to
question their AUTHORITY or dare to disobey their commands.
SERVE AND PROTECT MY ASS!

[AtheistCrusader]

35. Side point...

The driver was white, not black. The paramedic that was shown in a physical struggle was the one treating the patient.

[cboy4]

5. What a lovely sight. A white cop strangling a black

medic. :eyes:

Now I've seen everything.

[madaboutharry]

7. That was something to see. Jesus.

The cops look like a bunch of power crazy red-necks.

[damntexdem]

47. Oh, I wouldn't say that -- they looked like two power crazy rednecks.

Or maybe even just one.

[Buzz Clik]

6. Brilliant. The call the cops were answering was SO VERY IMPORTANT...

that they had time to pull over an ambulance for not yielding.

There are a lot of good cops out there. There are also a lot of pigs.

[rurallib]

9. looked like someone power tripping to me.

[SkyDaddy7]

44. That is exactly what it is!!

Cops are one big power trip these days...They can do almost anything and get away with it!

[Divine Discontent]

30. spot on! so pissed off they had to pull over the ambulance instead of getting to the call they were

summoned to? What a bunch of bullshit ugly stupid UNRULY idiots the cops are in this incident. If their call was so important why pull over the ambulance, if the ambulance was so important to pull over - why didn't they wait til they got to the hospital unless the ambulance continued to appear reckless.... we know how that goes though - they claim the driver was reckless and they had no idea if there was anyone in the back - I'd sue if I was the patient...


stupid cops...

damn dumb stupid cops.

[Puzzler]

66. Exactly what I was thinking... the cops' call could not have been very important.

.

[AllieB]

8. The medic is under arrest for assaulting a police officer.

:eyes:

It was either on our local news last night or Olbermann-I can't remember.

[Turbineguy]

27. The Medic

must have used his eye to punch the Policeman in the fist.

[truedelphi]

64. news updates over the coming week should let us know if

there is any video proof of the medic assaulting the cop.

Until then I remain skeptical. Cops have entirely too much power at their disposal.

[Why Syzygy]

69. Even just TOUCHING a cop

can result in an "assault" charge.

[drdtroit]

10. They should know better than to interrupt an important

donut run for a sick black woman!

[KansDem]

11. What happened? Were their Tasers™ broken?

I do believe the paramedic had a definite advantage over the first cop. I'd bet he could have taken him two falls out of three. If only the other two cops hadn't been there...

[omega minimo]

12. Welcome to the future

[sharp_stick]

13. I got into a verbal fight with some cops over this once

we were taking a possible heart attack to the nearest hospital through some really shitty traffic. I was the ambulance driver and traffic had a hard time getting out of the way. I got an opening and took the damned thing, a local police car behind me, with his lights and siren on followed my through and then started to follow me to the hospital while bitching at me on the radio for taking his opening. I honestly thought he was there to help me through I had no calls on the radio for emergency police presence anywhere near where I was.

I really pissed him off by not responding to the radio calls, I was a little busy trying to get a heart attack to the hospital but this prick didn't care.

We got to the hospital, drove into the garage... cop couldn't follow me in there it's just for ambulances (ambuli?). When we got the patient out of the garage there was the cop and his partner standing there. Cop started whining about me taking his space (it was my space) then bitching about me not answering his radio whining, telling me how important it was for them to get through. I asked him if it was so fucking important what the hell is he doing standing in an ER bitching about it instead of saving the fucking world. His partner grabbed him, told him to shut up and I never saw him again.

I put it down to having a bad day and let it go. I still don't know where he was going in such a hurry, it was probably coffee time. The ER nurses were laughing their asses off and I really enjoyed that, nobody better to have on your side than a bunch of ER nurses.

on edit: After looking at the video this shit is way over the line, the cop should be charged with assault.

[damntexdem]

48. Hey, don't just put it down to coffee time -- DOUGHNUTS, DOUGHTNUTS!

I mean, I'm sure that he had had his priorities straight. Then his anger at you got him to upset them a little. But I'm sure that his partner got him right over to the doughnut shop and everything turned out OK.

;-)

[onehandle]

14. DUers will automatically assume that the cops were guilty of something...

...when it's clear that We do not know what all happened.

I see someone resisting arrest. Everything else is hearsay.

[sailor65]

16. Yup, SOP here at DU.

It was made pretty clear that the video begins AFTER some incident was initiated by the EMT, but we conveniently only consider what's in this video.

[fascisthunter]

41. what was clear... where is your evidence?

do you always side with cops... it sure seems like you do, because there is NOTHING in that clip that would absolve the cop's behavior. In fact, that cop is a fcuking stupid meathead who made the situation worse by endangering the person on the way to the hospital... all because big boy wannabe was cut off. It's a fucking ambulance with a patient inside!

[lame54]

72. An independent witness supports the emt's statment

http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0509/627083.html
Paden - A witness has come forward to share her view of a struggle between a state trooper and a critical care paramedic.

The video of the confrontation is generating tremendous public interest. NewsChannel 8 spoke with Diane Walkup, a woman who saw the whole thing unfold in front of her.

Walkup sat there, stuck in traffic, watching an unbelievable sight unfold right before her eyes.

"I was horrified," she says. "I couldn't believe it."

Diane had just visited the Paden Cemetery when she drove up on what has now become an infamous scene played out on not only local, but national television.

"He said 'we've got a lady in here we need to transport to the hospital'," Walkup says. "The officer said 'I'm going to arrest you for obstruction of justice'."

[GillesDeleuze]

17. and a cop apologist in every room.

let me guess, your favorite uncle wore a badge. therefore, all cops are good.

[8 track mind]

36. hee hee hee

:yourock:

[AtheistCrusader]

38. He didn't say the cops were good or bad.

Perhaps read his post again?

[baldguy]

42. My uncle wore a badge.

He was an asshole.

[cyndensco]

18. I always err on the side of the one being manhandled by the cop.

Always.

[Buzz Clik]

19. Here are the undisputed facts:

1. The ambulance was taking a patient to the hospital. When a patient is in an ambulance, the lights must be going (that's the law in my state).
2. The cops were making a run on the same highway.
3. The cops "completed their official business" before pulling over the ambulance.

The cops were endangering the patient inside. No question. The cops' "official business" clearly took only seconds to complete and probably did not require stopping or exiting their vehicle.

Yeah, I assume the cops here are guilty of being power trippy pigs.

[onehandle]

23. Really? So you were there doing a documentary?

Hearsay.

[Buzz Clik]

28. I guess you didn't watch the clip

Give it a peek and get back to me

[damntexdem]

50. Just doing one thing necessary for that: keeping ones eyes open.

Try it sometime!

[bjobotts]

61. Trying to handcuff an EMT enroute to the hosp with patient while scolding him

[bjobotts]

62. geez, what more do you have to know or see to call it power tripping

[izquierdista]

21. DUers have experience with cops

Ah yes, the magic two words -- resisting arrest -- much shorter than "we must see if you are hiding any Jews" that gives cops the magic to do what they please.

[pacalo]

25. "We do not know what all happened." OMG. One only has to have common sense to see

what's wrong here: An ambulance speeding to the hospital was pulled over because the trooper was too egotistical, proud, & superior to be the one to cede right-of-way to the ambulance. An ambulance.

Anyone who doesn't get that from watching the video will never get it.

[The Wizard]

29. Why are the police

withholding the dash cam video?

[AtheistCrusader]

37. Due to policy or perhaps local laws

they may have to hold it for a certain period of time, or it may have to be released through internal affairs or something. Just because it hasn't been released doesn't necessarily mean anything unlawful was done by the officers. Since it is likely to become evidence in court, there are probably policies around this, possibly imposed upon the police by the state, or the county.

I would really like to see uninterrupted footage from start to finish of this event.

[onehandle]

56. I agree 100% nt

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[damntexdem]

49. I see an EMT being prevented from attending a patient, and a driver from proceeding to the hospital.

And anything else could have been dealt with AFTER the patient reached the hospital.

[onehandle]

55. Really? Did you see the patient in the video?

Now, me personally, I believe that she was in the ambulance.

But a clipped video without anything else but hearsay is... What's the word?...

HEARSAY.

My point is that the denizens of DU are ready to assume the worst without investigation.

Fuck the cops. If they fucked up, let them pay the price.

I can wait.

[Seldona]

53. There was only one group there to protect and serve.

And it wasn't the police that day. I hope their jobs are cut, so these meat-heads can go back to manual labor where they belong. Maybe mall cop?

[HamiltonHabs32]

65. yup

the paramedics "failed to yeild" - question is it more important to pull over the EMT and issue that ticket or was it more important to let the EMT get to the hospital, guess that could be debated.

[Raineyb]

73. Interesting. I see two asshole cops interfering with the care of the

patient who was in the back of the ambulance by trying to strangle the man taking care of her. I guess the patient's care doesn't mean squat so long as we back up the cops.

[Hulk]

15. Oklahoma.....what more needs to be said?

Red neck troopers. I'm sure this guy did something to rock their boat...but the unprofessional manner in which they dealt with it is not at all surprising....for Oklahoma.

[Enthusiast]

22. Red neck cops in a mostly

racist state. I believe they said "Creek Nation" ambulance. Those troopers know it is a native American ambulance. They would not have become so crazy if it had been an Anglo ambulance to start with.

[bananas]

24. There was a ride-along in the police car.

http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0509/626636.html
"As my partner was pulling onto the shoulder, the cruiser came alongside our unit and gestured for my driver to pull over," White says. "When the officer came to a complete stop behind the ambulance, I noticed a woman in the front seat. Based on the officer's erratic driving behavior, I thought that the woman in the front seat of the cruiser was in need of immediate medical attention; hence I exited the rear of the ambulance in order to assess the situation."

[hotnuke]

26. Clear Abuse of Power

I couldn't care less what the paramedic might have done while the cameras weren't rolling. The fact that they didn't end up arresting him at the scene, but allowed him to continue on with the ambulance to the hospital shows it couldn't possibly have been too serious. Perhaps shoving an officer (who was probably being belligerent and getting too close to his face from what I have seen of the subsequent video). The fact these troopers wasted the time of the ambulance while a sick lady was in the back, making a stink about how the ambulance had committed what they felt was a traffic violation only shows me that every single one of those troopers should be fired, forthwit. They endangered the life of a human being for their own pride. They are EXACTLY what's wrong with many members of law enforcement today. They feel they're above the law themselves, and feel any challenge to their authority, even if it's only a "perceived challenge" in their own twisted minds, is something they have to crush underfoot.

They're the same kind of scum who were bullies in gradeschool. They're the same kind of macho punks I've loved beating the crap out of my entire life. It's just sad that the poor paramedic, who probably just got a little upset at these scumbags endangering the life of this woman (rightfully so), will probably end up in jail himself. It's where those bozos belong.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

43. Welcome to DU!

I agree with your sentiments, and here's why:

I'm terrified whenever I'm near policemen, due to a trauma when I was 8 years old. The cops came to arrest my father, and surrounded the house and came in with guns drawn. My father was arrested for nonpayment of child support, did not have a history or violence, and did not have any weapons. He was released on bail later that night, jumped bail, and left the state. The State's Attorney had convinced my mother to set a trap for him and to use me as bait. The only result of this fiasco is my lifelong dread of cops.

[safeinOhio]

31. WTF are going to believe those troopers

or your lying eyes? Seems the only time the cops are wrong is when there is a camera rolling. Then there are a million excuses. How about all those times there are no cameras? I think most cops are now required to be wired for sound . I say, no recorded evidence, no charges.

[NOW tense]

32. If the call was so important to the troopers

Why did they stop the EMT?

[YOY]

34. Looks like that Trooper forgot that the world doesn't revolve around him.

I hope the woman is ok. If she wasn't...

[Dystopian]

39. Skinhead pigs. n/t

[opihimoimoi]

76. Asshole cop gives the boys in Blue a bad rap...

[Celtic Merlin]

40. Over-officious jerks.

The Ambulance driver is clearly guilty of that most heinous of all possible crimes, "Contempt of Cop". He didn't bow sufficiently low enough to kiss the cops' asses, so they pulled over the ambulance to tell the paramedics about it. Fuck the patient! We have a case of "Contempt of Cop" on our hands and that takes precedent over all other concerns.

I hope that they charge the paramedic and the judge not only tosses out the whole thing, but verbally (if not officially) reprimands the OHP troopers involved. Unless the paramedics fired guns at the troopers (or committed some other serious crime), they have NO BUSINESS pulling over an ambulance on the way to the hospital.

Why does it seem fitting that this bullshit happened in Oklahoma?

If I can get the code to work, here's a youtube vid of a cop arresting a firefighter at the scene of an accident. Ultimately (in this case), the cop learned a VERY EXPENSIVE lesson about who is in charge of an accident scene with injuries:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LC6oqLhbr0

As a former firefighter, I've met both good cops and bad at accident scenes and fire scenes. The bad ones are so full of themselves that you just can't stand to be anywhere near them. The good ones...well they made our job easier, helped out with traffic/crowd control, and were wonderful to have on hand.

I believe that in this ambulance incident, we're seeing some pretty crappy cops in action.

Celtic Merlin
Carlinist

[bjobotts]

63. It's inevitable when you turn "Public Servants" into a Paramilitary Force.=Power corrupts.

[Why Syzygy]

70. That video is UNBELIEVABLE!

What happened in the court case?

Welcome to DU :hi:

[ckimmy57]

45. Please

tell me this is being investigated. I wanted to jump through my computer screen and yell "what the hell is your freaking problem" My friends husband is an Ohio State trooper and he has been spit on, cussed out, foot ran over, you name it and he has NEVER EVER once taken action...other then to simply continue to write the ticket, tear it out, hand it to them and say, now be more careful and have a nice day. There is absolutely NO excuse or a good enough reason for this EMT/paramedic to be treated this way. Are these "idiots" for real?!?!?! :wow:

[damntexdem]

46. "Could file criminal charges against the paramedic"!

Fire the trooper and consider criminal charges against him. What idiocy! As noted, if something happened before the video, that could have been dealt with AFTER THE AMBULANCE ARRIVED AT THE HOSPITAL.

Now it's certainly not clear, but I wonder whether there might have been an element of racism here: white cop, African-American-appearing employee of a Native American ambulance service. Just a thought.

[npk]

51. I only have one question

Did some sort of accident result from the ambulance cutting off the cops. I mean I didn't hear that in the report. I don't understand what the big beef would be about, unless say the ambulance cut off the cop in traffic and the cop swerved and crashed into a tree. I mean I guess then I could see the cops having a legitimate complaint. But if all that happened was the ambulance changed lanes suddenly to avoid a car that had come to a stop and the police were also able to avoid a crash, then why wouldn't the police just continue about their business. I mean no harm no foul.

Both an ambulance, treating a patient, and cop responding to a call are considered emergency vehicles and are allowed to disregard normal rules of the road. So it's not like the officers could have given the ambulance driver a ticket. I mean basically both the ambulance driver and the cop did the same fucking thing. They both swerved to avoid and accident. Seems like job well done by both. Why would the cops go out of their way, if indeed they were responding to such an important call, to scold the ambulance driver when it wasn't even his fault.

Also what the hell was up with the cop choking the paramedic, or grabbing him by the throat. I can tell you most police departments do not allow that type of hands on contact with anyone.

[stlsaxman]

52. Nazi.... mother... fuckers.

How can human beings LIVE in Oklahoma?

[Unca Jim]

54. Wow...read the paramedic's whole statement!

If the car cam bears out his version of events (and he seems way more cogent and reasonable than the arresting officers, so I bet it does) that department is getting sued and losing.

[bjobotts]

57. That's militarianism by police, they tried to put cuffs on a med tech while giving care

[bjobotts]

58. Their misguided authoritatrian tactics would let the patient die as long as they get the cuffs on

[bjobotts]

59. Why cuff the med tech in route...WTF logic is that? He might run away from ambulance??

[bjobotts]

60. Cops acting more and more like corporate soldiers than public SERVANTS

[Why Syzygy]

71. I've seen you post before .

and I wonder if you realize there is a BIG box under the subject line in which to type additional comments? :shrug: If you need some help with that, ask. No offense intended.

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. I got to laugh, having been a medic myself I know exactly how this

went completely south... and truth be told... when all is said and done both parties will get slapped on wrist..,

No, don't need to watch all the tape... but cops need medics and medics need cops... pretty standard...

Suffice it to say... it is a PR nightmare... for all involved...

And yes I used to tell my guys. EVEN if you go lights and sirens SLOW down at the intersection and never assume anything

[Why Syzygy]

68. Even touching a law enforcement individual can be prosecuted as "assault". nt

[Catherine Vincent]

74. Updated link with cop's cam from patrol car

http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/48027212.html

[Stand and Fight]

75. Defies belief. I mean, you can't make this stuff up!

Viewing this, I think Dorthy was right -- she wasn't in Kansas anymore. She was just south of it in Oklahoma. :wtf: