Police to vaccinate innocent children by force in Massachusetts

[Why Syzygy]

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Andrew P. Napolitano (b. June 6, 1950, in Newark, New Jersey) is a former New Jersey Superior Court Judge and now an analyst for FOX News Channel. Napolitano started on the channel in 1998, and currently serves as the network's senior judicial analyst, commenting on legal news and trials. He is a graduate of Princeton University (where he was a founding member of the Concerned Alumni of Princeton with Justice Samuel Alito) and Notre Dame Law School.

[Catch22Dem]

1. That is the most alarmist headline I've seen in a long time (n/t)

[Why Syzygy]

3. Massachusetts residents

should be alarmed. This law is unconstitutional.

[Ruby the Liberal]

6. It isn't a law.

Fox is just playing "what if".

[Why Syzygy]

8. It lacks the governor's signature.

That's all.

[BREMPRO]

51. it's faux spin- here's a good analysis of the bill

http://www.bettnet.com/blog/index.php/weblog/massachusetts_is_not_forcing_vaccines_on_you/

"Massachusetts is NOT forcing vaccines on you
I’ve been seeing references around the blogs, Twitter, and Facebook in recent days to an ominous warning that Massachusetts was going to pass a law that would require citizens to take a swine-flu vaccine or face $1,000 fine or even imprisonment. This is serious stuff because there are some people who avoid vaccines for various reasons, and besides, it’s scary for the government to use its power of coercion to force people to take a medical treatment against their will.

There’s just one problem: The whole rumor is baloney."


"Let’s be clear: The public health commissioner would only have these powers during a state of public health emergency declared by the governor. If you do a quick search through the Massachusetts General Laws, you will see emergency powers enumerated for quite a few state agencies and entities. For that matter, you may as well push the panic button over the emergency powers granted to the Governor or the President of the United States.

Why did I go to all this trouble to debunk this rumor? Because we don’t do ourselves or our causes any good flying off half-cocked at every silly rumor peddled on some iffy news site or in a Twitter status update. We attract others to our way of thinking by being sober and studious and steady about the issues of the day and by being reasonable about the battles we wish to fight.
"

[Ruby the Liberal]

4. Its the Fox Neo-Con Channel. They specialize in that.

After all, no one has denied it so it must all be true.

[Posteritatis]

15. That really is an astonishingly spun one, isn't it? (nt)

[elleng]

40. 'Innocent' of what?

[Turborama]

44. "There is an evil force which has infiltrated the minds of those who make decisions."

The title is hardly surprising when you look at the YouTuber's profile...

http://www.youtube.com/user/91177info">91177info
Joined: 24 July 2008

There is an evil force which has infiltrated the minds of those who make decisions. This force is not from our earth. It's mission is to enslave us and rape our planet of life. It has bled her dry, genetically interfered with her and is now changing the plasma properties of her outer skin.

The human race is not the race which was here to serve the earth in the beginning, just some brain washed servants who are being controlled and poisoned every minute of the day. There is no escape.The media is being controlled. Every establishment is being controlled by this evil. This evil force is winning.IT IS TRYING TO KILL THE EARTH AND IS USING US AS SLAVES TO DO THE WORK. I am a writter rather than a speaker. I could sort out all of the worlds problems in 40 days and 40 nights and bring total lasting world peace to everyone by saying three simple words.

Influences: Survival and everything about our earth.

Favourite News Sources: google news

I created my channel last year as I can see from video evidence that both 9/11 and 7/7 in London was staged. I watched video footage again and again trying to find the eureka moment of proving it was a staged event, even with all the evidence there already is, but I felt hopeless and frustrated that even if I did who would actually listen as the media is controlled by them. I moved on but still looked now and again.

I am an artist by trade and paint landscapes so I am observant. I have been seeing an aerosol spraying program happening in my area for about 2 months and I know what the sky should look like. That is why I have returned, this time it is happening right above my head.

Country: United Kingdom

[BREMPRO]

46. dude is either joking or seriously mental. n/t

[Turborama]

49. Judging by their Favorites, I'd say the latter

They appear to be a huge David Icke fan and a birther...

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=91177info&view=favorites

[Ms. Toad]

2. I'm sure they are able to read that bill as well as they

read the health care bills. Death panels, anyone?

[orpupilofnature57]

5. No shame.

[bluestateguy]

7. I'd be happy to talk about this, once a legitimate news source is provided

nt

[Why Syzygy]

12. lol... You still have to use your brain

There is more than one side to every story. You get to choose group think or figure it out yourself.
I love the DU lazies who expect to be spoon fed their favorite pudding and clench their mouths when the vegies are served.

http://www.tauntongazette.com/health/x1991989114/Critics-say-pandemic-emergency-bill-tramples-privacy-rights


BOSTON —


Mandatory vaccinations, home searches without a warrant and forced quarantine for those who resist.

Critics of a pandemic preparedness bill pending in the Legislature say it would allow all those things and sets the stage for a medical police state where any response to an epidemic of flu or other illness has the potential to steamroll civil liberties.

The bill’s supporters and its sponsor, Sen. Richard Moore, D-Uxbridge, have found themselves in recent weeks defending against attacks from talk show hosts and Internet critics with an anti-Big Government bent. In the category of unlikely bedfellows: the ACLU has joined the opposition.

Moore and other supporters say the bill is largely borrowed from public health laws and court rulings already on the books. They say that rumors and lies have led people to overreact to the legislation, and cite as an example the statement that the bill makes vaccinations mandatory. While he says his own bill doesn’t mandate vaccination, Moore points to a 1905 U.S. Supreme Court ruling in a Massachusetts smallpox case that said states could require people to get vaccinated. (...)

[MrModerate]

35. I'm not a lawyer, but my take on this is I'd rather have an improved version of this bill in place--

say, one the ACLU can live with--than have the state dealing with a catastophic epidemic in an ad hoc manner under the conditions of martial law. Sounds as if some of the criticisms of the bill's provisions are legitimate and (despite knocking around for 6 years, apparently) there's a lot of work to be done on it.

But Fux News' attempt to whip up hysteria? Same old shit from them.

[Why Syzygy]

37. If the "liberal media"

reported stories such as this one, I wouldn't scrape the bottom of the barrel and use Pox.
So much liberal reporting is all about 'feel good'. Difficult topics are not welcome, even here at DU.

[MrModerate]

54. So you prefer consistent falsehood and illiberal demagoguery . .. .

and issues dumbed down to moronic levels when they're not spun up to trigger witchhunts to "feel good," "liberal" reporting (a description that doesn't characterize any news outlet I've ever seen, anywhere)?

Interesting choice.

[Why Syzygy]

56. As I implied

difficult topics are too often ridiculed by those of the liberal hive mentality. Your reply is a perfect example.

[MrModerate]

62. And the difficult topic I ridiculed was? . . .

Because even a passing reading of my post would reveal that I was ridiculing *your* comparison of Fux News as a media outlet that wrestles with difficult issues with unnamed "liberal" sources that are overly concerned with "feel good" stories.

With regard to DU -- a discussion board for people to express their unfettered opinions -- I will acknowledge that a lot of piffle gets bandiied about. However, a lot of very serious issues get extensive airing here. If you bring the same hostile and clueless attitude you're displaying in this thread to other threads, I can see how you'd miss discussions of serious issues, since you're much more likely to generate scorn than discussion with such an approach.

So far your posts are low on facts and high on unjustifiably snide remarks, which reflects, I suppose, your opinion that Fux News is a leading source for "difficult" discussions.

[tazkcmo]

66. The only difficulty I have with your post

is your insults and use of Faux as supporting documentation. I'm sure if you review the thousands of posts on this site on any given day you will discover MANY difficult subjects being discussed.

[cheapdate]

75. Who is this "liberal media" you're talking about?

I'm skeptical of anyone who throws around slogans like "liberal media" or "activist judges", etc. It's a sign that the person's argument lacks any real depth. Are the public radio and television station part of the "liberal media?"...Can't be. They report in depth on complex issues...shows like On Point, Washington Week, Now, etc.

[Why Syzygy]

77. *SNARF*

I'm skeptical of anyone who doesn't know sarcasm when they see it.

[cheapdate]

79. If you say so. n/t.

[tazkcmo]

65. So why not use the link from the The Taunton Gazette

in your original post? You get ZERO credibility with a Fox link and most of us won't watch it. Try using your own brain and quit insulting people who most likely would agree with you if you "used your brain" and supported your concerns with a news source that has less integrity than the Enquirer pr the Globe?

[tomm2thumbs]

9. Vaccine? Actually it is a delicious marinade and then they will eat your children.

Yes, the Democrats want to eat your children. Yes, this is not a vaccine, but a marinade with basil and a light hint of garlic but which makes for a delicious meal.

* The old fuddy-duddies who were raised on Twilight Zone's 'It's A COOKBOOK-Alien' episode are getting all nervous and running around trying to panic in the 6 square feet of their primitive bomb shelters right now. Good luck with that.

[ooglymoogly]

10. weird post, weird video....

Since Ma. has one of the biggest and busiest international airports in the country as well as extensive international shipping ports, it is not unwise to curb a looming pandemic with all means necessarily to get the job done.

[RKP5637]

24. Agree!

[RKP5637]

11. Tabloid Fox News. Need a credible and valid info. source, not Fox. n/t

[Why Syzygy]

13. I love how

people are assuming a state Supreme Court Judge would lie just because he's on Pox.

[parasim]

17. I love how

some people are assuming just because someone was once a State Supreme Court Judge they wouldn't lie on television.

[Why Syzygy]

21. The story is true

and can be verified with other sources as I've posted above. The lawmakers say they would never do such a thing for the H1N1 flu! They are just taking precautionary measures in the event of a worse situation :eyes: The timing of the bill means nothing. Don't be silly!

If the governor signs it, it will have to be shot down in court. The judicial system is the only ally we have left.

But let's put our hands over our ears and go lalalalalalala. So much better that way.

[Warren Stupidity]

19. A fair assumption.

Also the still shot body language of Napolitano says "lying my ass off".

[MrModerate]

34. I agree with much of what you've said about people saying this is OK . . .

Without reading anything about it.

However, assuming just because a commentator is appearing on Fux News that he/she is lying? Well, there history's on the side of those who say "hell yes." One can predict, with pretty fair likelihood, that just about anything said on Fux is either a flat-out lie, spun to the point of unrecognisability, opinion masquerading as fact, or cherry-picked in the most egregious manner possible.

[unapatriciated]

50. don't need to assume. He has no problem misrepresenting the truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3knq1QLODXc

[butterfly77]

14. I can't watch it because of the source..

[Why Syzygy]

16. That's okay.

Stay cozy in your hive :hi:

[cheapdate]

76. Social insects live in hives...

They're called "social insects" because they resemble human society. They work together for the survival of all. I'll take the "hive" moniker as a compliment.

[Why Syzygy]

78. TPTB thank you!

You are much easier to control that way.

[Wizard777]

18. That's a violation of patients rights. You have the right to refuse medication.

[stray cat]

20. Although letting your child die because you don't want to treat is sometimes challenged

[midnight]

41. However blocking care allowed a 12 year old to die of a tooth ache.

Twelve-year-old Deamonte Driver of the Washington, D.C., area died in 2007, of complications from an untreated abscessed tooth. The tooth infection had spread to his brain. He died despite two brain surgeries and a long hospital stay, the Washington Post reported.

I think it is best to assist parents in providing the care parents deem safe and warranted.

[bobburgster]

22. You have a right to go to your own legal home at night too

But that right is suspended in an emergency, like after you have evacuated in a hurricane.

I could see that this would be a good idea under some very special circumstances, like if the disease had a high mortality rate and they were trying to stop its progress.

But I can also see how it could be easily abused, like to force people to get a controversial vaccine for a pandemic that is no more deadly than the seasonal flu - perhaps because somebody has invested a lot of money and people had better be buying the product!

[Chemisse]

23. I agree. It could be a slippery slope.

[RKP5637]

26. "because somebody has invested a lot of money and people had better be buying the product!"

Interesting point!

What you said makes a lot of good sense to me, "I could see that this would be a good idea under some very special circumstances, like if the disease had a high mortality rate and they were trying to stop its progress."

But damn, in today's society I could see it also getting twisted for financial reward and greed. Not saying that's what MA is about, but I could see the greed in this country contriving to make it happen. Sadly...

[Wizard777]

27. You also have to balance that against the governments actual liability if they don't act. It's 0.

[RKP5637]

30. Yes, quite true. And it is a Catch-22. n/t

[katkat]

33. Actually, you don't have the right to refuse medical treatment

Unfortunately (to put it mildly) Massachusetts and New York and possibly other states have laws on the books that pretty much allow the authorities to do anything they damn well please in terms of medical treatment.

If someone with a sexually transmitted disease has named you as a sexual contact in Massachusetts, they can force you to have an exam for the disease. That law goes way back to before AIDS was ever heard of.

In New York recently a conscious and rational individual went to an ER for a head injury and they forcibly did a rectal exam against his wishes, and the court upheld the hospital.

Those of us who have a history of neurological complications from vaccines will be fodder for forcible vaccination laws. Brain damage or paralysis or death, no problem, we wouldn't want anyone to get the flu.

[liberal_rxstudent]

45. Sorry, that is what you think....

Actually, if the state deems that it is in the best interest of the public, it can mandate (read: force) vaccinations. I saw somewhere else in this tread someone mentioned MA and the smallpox outbreak that led to mandatory vaccinations; this is important because MA was the first state to pass a law requiring its citizens to be vaccinated-- so if something was about to happen (maybe something planned or predicted???), what better place to try to get the ball moving? I couldn't help but get a chill down my spine. That which gets by there will inevitably influence the other states. So, really...your "rights" only go so far. I know I'm turning on my paranoia :)

[Richard D]

47. What about Xian Scientists . . .

. . . whose religion forbids such things?

[Lorien]

52. I found out that things are different in Massachusetts earlier this year

I fell down a wet staircase at a college and severely sprained my ankle. College security showed up and insisted that I take an ambulance to the hospital. I declined over and over and over again "DON"T put me in the ambulance! I'm unemployed and can't pay for it. My friends will drive me to the hospital." (my friends had already brought their car up to the building to take me there). Nope. The EMTs forced me into the ambulance, then sent me a $700.00 bill for it. They can harass me all they like. I'm not fucking paying for being kidnapped!

[Lars77]

25. Tonight on Glenn Beck:

The mandatory vaccine in Massachusetts will turn your kids into African Americans!

Seriously, this is not even remotely constitutional.

[confrontationclaws]

28. Scary

Too many folks here seem OK with this. You can't be for this law and against the Patriot Act. They both contain extra- and un- constitutional provisions, based on fear.

A slippery slope indeed.

[Why Syzygy]

29. Isn't that an interesting

observation. The government protecting us from ourselves is now an acceptable policy in a liberal audience?

We already witnessed unconstitutional apprehension during the G20. *YAWN*

I take small comfort in a statistic I read recently. Only thirteen percent of the population are able to escape hive mentality (group-think). Eight seven percent just go along with the prevailing winds.

[seattle_blue]

31. I think they're just trying to stir up the nutbags....

[Why Syzygy]

32. The legislators?

Are trying to stir up nutbags? Would those nutbags include Americans who defend the Constitution?

[Joanne98]

36. If u don't want to get the shot DON"T GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Warren Stupidity]

38. Google says no.

I declare bullshit on this. If the OP can produce credible evidence of a mandatory program in place in Massachusetts , the OP should do so, or admit that the OP is propagating noxious bullshit.

[Why Syzygy]

42. Read the thread.

Already posted.

[DWilliamsamh]

57. Where? I have read every post you have placed in this thread.,

The only one that cites another source quote basically a report of the speculation that is shown so well in the Fox "news" clip. Post the fucking law. Until you do that, or post a link to the ACTUAL law, I call bullshit too.

[Why Syzygy]

72. The ACLU is good enough for me

If that's not good enough for you, then you are excused from the thread.


http://www.tauntongazette.com/health/x1991989114/Critic...

BOSTON —

Mandatory vaccinations, home searches without a warrant and forced quarantine for those who resist.

Critics of a pandemic preparedness bill pending in the Legislature say it would allow all those things and sets the stage for a medical police state where any response to an epidemic of flu or other illness has the potential to steamroll civil liberties.

The bill’s supporters and its sponsor, Sen. Richard Moore, D-Uxbridge, have found themselves in recent weeks defending against attacks from talk show hosts and Internet critics with an anti-Big Government bent. In the category of unlikely bedfellows: the ACLU has joined the opposition.

Moore and other supporters say the bill is largely borrowed from public health laws and court rulings already on the books. They say that rumors and lies have led people to overreact to the legislation, and cite as an example the statement that the bill makes vaccinations mandatory. While he says his own bill doesn’t mandate vaccination, Moore points to a 1905 U.S. Supreme Court ruling in a Massachusetts smallpox case that said states could require people to get vaccinated. (...)

[DWilliamsamh]

74. Posting tha same sepeculation is NOT proof.

Nor is the ACLU's joining of the opposition based on that speculation. Another poster posted the relevant section of the law. It contains NO provision that allows "the police" (or anyone else for that matter) to forcibly vaccinate children over the objection of there parents. or anyone else for that matter.

Bullshit.

[Name removed]

69. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[midnight]

39. Sifting through the govt. responses to this seasons inoculations

has been like watching a ping pong match. I don't think the CDC knows how to market the latest inoculations because of the disaster from the 70's. This dire warning that nurses need to be inoculated and that some parts of the country are focusing in on forced inoculation while knowing that some reactions will be life altering have safe guarded themselves from lawsuits. That is the tip off that govt. officials know what they are doing is a no no. I don't know much about this states legislators, but I hope they uphold the constitution.

[Why Syzygy]

43. The vaccine manufacturers' own materials

indicate it is not effective in children under four years old. Yet the CDC is still recommending it for six months old and up!

[BREMPRO]

48. OH, it's the fear your government, fear health care reform fear your rights violated fear channel.

how can people watch this crap.

[RKP5637]

64. They are brainwashed generational Americans feeding off Fox News and for many, right wing religions!

We've got not a small number now in American that feed off misinformation and frankly in my opinion cult right wing religions... And Fox is more than willing to promote this as long as they can rake in the cash with a tabloid network spewing hatred and trash... appealing to the real Americans... such a sad state of affairs.

Rather than presenting interesting and intelligent dialog on the problems the US has and faces for the 21st century, outfits like Fox News drag their material presented down to a level of garbage.

And the sad part is the number of people that believe their tabloid crap... I've talked to people that truly believe it is the only relevant news source for truthful information. They follow Fox News like a bizarre religion. Brainwashed lemmings.

[Emit]

53. Where does it state in the proposed law that vaccinations would be forced?

Here's the paragraph that relates to vaccination:

~~~
The commissioner or the local public health authority may recover expenses incurred in enforcing the order from the person to whom the order was directed, by action in the superior court.

(b) Furthermore, when the commissioner or a local public health authority within its jurisdiction determines that either or both of the following measures are necessary to prevent a serious danger to the public health the commissioner or local public health authority may exercise the following authority:

(1) to vaccinate or provide precautionary prophylaxis to individuals as protection against communicable disease and to prevent the spread of communicable or possibly communicable disease, provided that any vaccine to be administered must not be such as is reasonably likely to lead to serious harm to the affected individual; and

(2) to treat individuals exposed to or infected with disease, provided that treatment must not be such as is reasonably likely to lead to serious harm to the affected individual.

An individual who is unable or unwilling to submit to vaccination or treatment shall not be required to submit to such procedures but may be isolated or quarantined pursuant to section 96 of chapter 111 if his or her refusal poses a serious danger to public health or results in uncertainty whether he or she has been exposed to or is infected with a disease or condition that poses a serious danger to public health, as determined by the commissioner, or a local public health authority operating within its jurisdiction.

~~~

http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/186/st02/st02028.htm

Am I missing something, or is this self-described pro-life libertarian judge just stirring up shit on Faux Noos?

[DWilliamsamh]

58. Bingo! And thanks for posting this. Funny how the OP couldn't seem to do it.

[DWilliamsamh]

55. This is a ridiculous head line. It's called quarantine.

In public health emergencies, such as oh I don't know a KILLER virus outbreak, quarantine is a tool of LONG standing.

Now - onto the "force vaccination. I haven't read the law in question but I don't believe a damn thing that Napolitano says much less Steve Douchey. Post a link to the law or the specific section if you want people to be in any way concerned that this is true.

[WesJ]

59. The constitutionality of compulsory vaccinations has already been established....

under Jacobson v. Massachusetts. The case decided that it was in the best interest of the public to give the state the ability to force the citizens to be immunized for small pox. This is completely constitutional and perhaps necessary.

[confrontationclaws]

68. Look at your case law a bit closer...

The Massachusetts law at issue in Jacobson did NOT provide for forced innoculation, nor did it allow for quarantine; it merely imposed a monetary fine for not getting the smallpox vaccine. (A law that would require quarantine--loss of liberty--would be subject to a higher level of scrutiny.) Interestingly, the decision has the dubious distinction of being cited in support of Justice Holmes' most infamous (and frightening) pronouncement:

"Society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Jacobson v Massachusetts, 197 US 11. Three generations of imbeciles are enough." Buck v Bell, 274 US 200, 207 (1927).

[wroberts189]

60. I do not care if its the bubonic plague ..no one should be forced.

These vaccines always kill or seriously injure a few people and once upon a time killed or paralyzed for life a lot of them .. and it was a swine flue vaccine.

The most damning thing about this country is its collective memory just does not seem to work.

And to all you pro-vaccine people ..at least support the retraction of legal immunity for vaccine makers. It's only there for one reason and it proves the entire point of people who do not want to be Guinea pigs.. and also support the right of the people to refuse the shots. If it's so safe why do you need immunity for big Pharma? Get the damn shot if you want. Do not force it on the rest of us.

You like GM food...? why is it not labeled so those of us that do not want it can avoid it.

Help your self to that and irradiated ground beef. Just please let it be labeled so we can make a choice. And btw irradiation does nothing to kill off Mad cow ..which you will not even know you have for ten years. And all irradiation really does is let companies skimp on cleanliness which will increase Mad Cow.

After all we have seen... why do you still trust these institutions? Right now they are fighting against health care for all... yet you will happily trust their profit driven immunized company to inject you.

We are on a God damned doomed planet anyway. The UN just said 70% earth wide drought by 2025.

A team of Green peace researchers and Nasa satellites are showing once again... faster melting of ice all over the fucking planet. Faster then predicted as usual. Sub tropical waters spilling off the coast of Greenland ... remember your geography class? That's a country that is almost all ice.

And if I have to die ..and people I love have to die ...well that's our destiny. A plague might actually save this world ..which is about to become like planet Venus. Not that I want that to happen. But our brilliant leadership could care less... yet once again ..just trust them. They always know best. That's why we at the verge of economic collapse and stuck in two wars of choice.

No forced vaccinations.

knr

[davidhilton]

61. i just cant watch fox for more then a minute...

im sure they said some real stupid bullshit lies though.

[tazkcmo]

63. I clicked the link

then I threw up as I ALWAYS do when exposed to Faux News. Why do DUers constantly link to this discredited "news" organization? I can see linking it if you're ridiculing it but in this case it's as if the OP actually believed any of the tripe that spills forth. Is that you Charlie Brown?

[rooboy]

67. OMG!! Now they're trying to protect the INNOCENT kids from disease??

shocking. just shocking.

[confrontationclaws]

70. The hypocrisy alert is flashing...

If YOU agree that the threat is something YOU want protection from, then you support invasive, totalitarian regulations forcing compliance with some government mandate. BUT if you don't agree with the "threat level" (sound familiar?) or the political beliefs of those sounding the alarm, you're against being told what to do ("please step to the side, you'll need to be patted down before boarding the plane," or "just because you're in custody doesn't mean you can have a lawyer, or have a court review why you're being held, sir.")

As I said earlier...a slippery slope indeed.


Rule by fear never ends well. And we're still there, unfortunately.

[kmlisle]

71. Read the History of epidemics and how the US responded in 1918

I just finished John Barry's book on the 1918 flu epidemic. The US was totally unprepared for that onslaught and little or no planning was done at the State level. When the flu came in Boston there were quarantines and because the state was unprepared, sick families literally died in their homes from starvation because their neighbors were terrified to go out their doors to help them. There were no vaccinations because they thought the virus was a bacteria and spent the whole epidemic looking for something different. We live in a different world today with more scientific approaches to medicine, but the same kind of fear and demagoguery and lies that killed so many people back in 1918 still exists. The opposition to change and unwillingness to work together on real challenges facing us is killing Americans today because of lack of health insurance. The preference of many of the "non-loyal opposition" to tear down the efforts of opponents hard and mostly honest work to protect America is tragic. It could be even more tragic in a real flu epidemic. Luckily or us the Darwinian crap shoot has fallen our way this time (so far) and this flu looks to be relatively mild. But we want our State governments to work through the "What ifs" and try to protect society for the worst of a disaster. In Health emergencies sometimes this means quarantines and widespread vaccinations. Wouldn't it be nice if there could be a civil debate on the vaccination issues to actually solve the problem instead of calculated fear mongering to destroy the other side?

[Why Syzygy]

73. I would say

welcome to DU. But your profile has you here five years! Thanks for stepping forward to post on this issue. Your post count indicates you don't often do so.

I'm about ready to join you back in the shadows. I agree that Pox is nefarious. But I am sick to death of all the partisan bickering between Americans. TPTB keep us attacking each other while they escape with our gold and our freedom and liberties. I'm done with it. It's a trap that many here are willingly stepping into.

[kmlisle]

80. Thanks

I don't have a lot of time for posting but get a lot of my news this way. Guess I am still more optimistic about American., Believe there are a lot of good ones left! ;-) Have been following the Swine Flu since it appeared last Spring with great fascination and I saw the first report on it on DU!

[donheld]

81. Get a reliable source or don't post it.