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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:12 PM
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Dennis Kucinich New Idea For Jobs Creation
 
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:55 PM
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1. The main barrier that keeps people from retiring at even
62 is health insurance. The guy is an idiot hasn't he ever heard of attrition, employers don't replace retirees. I suggest we stop people double dipping on public jobs and maybe retirement at 60 for Congress too. Besides there is no way in hell they will be able to spent the TARP for such a thing.
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:10 PM
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6. "Employers don't replace retirees!?" LMAO!
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:42 PM
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7. doc03, I'm an employer. I have an employee who could retire under this plan if it were
implemented. If he retired I would definitely have to hire someone to replace him because he is filling a key position. Then the position of the person who filled the retiree's job would have to be filled.

The only way this would not work is if the economy continued to decline and companies were forced to cut back on the labor force even more than they have already.

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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:00 AM
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9. Would you pay his health insurance until he reached
65 or could he pay for it?
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:20 AM
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11. In his case, I would not have to pay it because he is a vet. We pay a monthly stipend equal
to half of an employee's medical coverage. So for someone who was not a vet, we and he would have to weigh that consideration.

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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:24 AM
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12. I'm a vet myself but wouldn't go to the VA unless it was the
absolute last resort.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:36 AM
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13. I'm a vet too, but my income keeps me out of the VA--means testing. Around here
our VA hospital is staffed by docs from Duke and UNC. Topnotch care in every department.
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Ccarmona Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 01:40 PM
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19. I'm Going to Be 60
I'm going to be 60 this year, and since my company is already laying the groundwork to get rid of me I would love to be able to collect SS later this year. They want to replace me with someone younger so they don't have to pay as much, but they are going by the book so they don't get slapped with an age discrimination suit.
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pezDispenser Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:32 PM
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2. Here is another interesting idea
that will get zero debate and go nowhere. Too bad, not sure I'm on board, but I'd like to kick around the pros and cons.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:42 PM
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4. He is full of ideas but has he ever actually
delivered on anything?
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:06 PM
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5. Insults, unsupported facts, and you seem a little angry. How about we stack up his record against
yours?
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:57 PM
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8. Has he ever passed any legislation? He has all these brilliant
ideas that have absolutely no chance of being enacted. I'm for giving every American a paycheck for life without ever working but that won't get passed either. He is a master at grandstanding, if a health care bill of any kind gets passed you can bet old Dennis will vote against it so he can say oh it didn't go far enough for me.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:08 AM
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15. Perhaps we could just discuss the merits of the idea
and skip the insults. The concept is either good or bad, workable or unworkable, does it matter who had the idea or if they have ever succeeded with another idea or not?

You do seem a bit angry.
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Dragonfly Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:35 PM
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20. I'm sorry that you don't know
Cong. Kucinich better. A person with creative imagination comes up with a potential aid to add jobs to the economy. I think we should all talk about the feasibilty (or lack thereof) of such ideas.

While not in total synch with his all policy views, my sense is that Dennis Kucinich is "a canary in a huge and rapidly-destabilizng coal mine" who sincerely emotes altruism.

He is much less a "master at grandstanding" and much more like a courageous voice speaking naked truth to help awaken/transform a fearful America into practicing Love and Reason at this critical moment of U.S./World history.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:01 AM
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10. Exactly has Dennis ever came up with anything that ever went
anywhere other than getting his mug on TV?
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 10:38 AM
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17. No.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:41 PM
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3. K & R....its a dang good idea....
and could work to create a lot of jobs.
Now if they add to that...making hemp legal..that would open a lot of factories and create even more jobs...
We could do this..
yes we can...
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 01:58 AM
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14. Most 62-year-olds only retire if they have to.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to retire at 62 unless they were already unemployed and saw an opportunity to get some income.

Social Security does not pay enough to be an incentive for people to retire unless they have lost their job or are no longer healthy enough to work.

This plan is well meant, and I like Dennis Kucinich, but I don't think this idea would help much.

Also, as someone else stated, people who have jobs generally wait until they have Medicare. Those who retire earlier are forced out of the job market by joblessness or bad health.

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Stumbler Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 08:11 AM
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16. As with most of his ideas, it's worth discussing. Too bad it won't be in the M$M
Thom Hartmann wrote about the same idea a couple months ago, though he discussed dropping the age to 55. It's an interesting idea nonetheless.
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Kweli4Real Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:19 PM
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18. I think this is a great idea ...
I believe that more people than many think would be happy to retire at 62 or even 55 yrs old. That doesn't mean they will sit at home though. It means that now they have the time and security to do what they want to do, such as start a business, work at some low paying, but personally fulfilling position, or do volunteer work.

What's stopping maybe 1,000,000's of "older workers" from retiring is the lack of healthcare.
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idahoblue Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 12:00 PM
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21. open for discussion
I don't know if this is feasible but it is certainly worth consideration. I would retire if I could add some social security to my other retirement benefits. My job would need to be filled. This idea is definitely worth looking at.

As for hemp, what will it take to legalize it? We are missing out on a big industry. There are a lot of hemp products in the stores, all from Canada. My state had a bill introduced and killed because they thought law enforcement couldn't figure it out. My town passed marijuana referendums twice. Without changes in state and federal law they are meaningless.
http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2005128824
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