Ed Schultz: "The last thing the WH should be doing now is picking a fight with working families"

[t0dd]

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[saracat]

1. OMG, That was so well said .Fabulous."We will see you at the next showdown",

The WH needs to be taught a lesson.

[Divine Discontent]

47. excellent final point by Big Ed! and, surprise surprise, yet another great post or vid where

those who get on their fellow Democrats who don't support every single action by this admin, are nowhere to be found.

[avaistheone1]

2. Big Ed is right.

:kick:

[Admiral Loinpresser]

3. K & R!

n/t

[girl gone mad]

4. "We'll see you at the next showdown."

Gotta dust off my spurs.

:)

[myrna minx]

5. Excellent. I am so angry right now, I can't sleep. K&R n/t

[Sherman A1]

12. +1, Agreed & Well Said!

I am just completely fed up with the attitude towards labor and working people.

There were billions to bail out the banks, but odd how we can't get EFCA passed.:grr:

[Name removed]

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[lib2DaBone]

7. We know whose side the DLC'ers are on....

Get rid of Rahm

[Hubert Flottz]

8. + a million

"Change You Can Count On" Sounds more like ainti-labor GOPer bullshit like we voted to change. I guess our votes were "in the toilet" too. I'll bet Rahm will call a non union deputy plumber from Ohio if the toilet gets stopped up flushing away our hopes and dreams.

[liberation]

27. You know Rahm is not the only DLC type in this administration, not by a long shot

Obama is a center-right politician. Why people act surprised when a center-right administration is not friendly to labor is beyond me. Wasn't Reagan one of Obama's favorite presidents for crying out loud? So why are people acting surprised? Stuff like this should be expected by now, let's stop wasting time pretending a duck is just a small green swan...

[NorthCarolina]

32. Obama is DLC. He calls himself a "New Dem", but Wikipedia indicates the two are one in the same. eom

[liberation]

44. Exactly... and what these people refer to as the "new Dems" is basically the "old center-right"

Is nothing but a more marketing friendly spin on the old moderate republican BS, now that the GOP brand is tarnished beyond repair.

I can't understand for the life of my why people think that Rahm is Obama's Chief of Staff out of pure random chance. And why so many people think that a center-right politician is going to turn to the left once in power, when there is absolutely not incentive for him to do so (in fact all the contrary).

[Lorien]

59. Not even center-Right. They're Reaganites

Regan repugs aren't batshit crazy enough for the new GOP, so the DLC has now filled that void. The DLC was founded by "former" Reagan republicans who wanted to destroy Liberalism from within the party. They can almost hang that banner now.

[FiveGoodMen]

49. "Get rid of Rahm"

Do you really think that the guy who appointed Rahm wants to get rid of him?

[Capitalocracy]

9. The Obama administration -

a progressive ally doing the best it can in a country being pulled to the right, or actively fighting against progressives? This primary speaks volumes toward answering that question.

What reason could they possibly have to do everything in their power, even of questionable legality, to silence the voice of progressives in the political process? This is a primary election, it's not like a bunch of people switched over to the greens or something.

You told us to continue to be active in the political process and try to help move this country toward change and progress, Obama, and that's what this primary was. If you're going to fight us on this, do you expect us to give in or to follow your own advice and push harder? Let's see if you can crush another primary challenge in 2012.

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[howmad1]

57. So how's that "hopey, changey thing workin out for ya?"

What a crock of crap coming from this white house. Seems to me we ain't seen the worst of it. O'bama in 2012! In your dreams.

[olegramps]

10. From Gibbs response I can only conclude that Obama agrees that labor sucks.

I don't know about the rest of the Democrats, but I have to conclude that Obama has a fucked up administration that is staffed by nothing more than Keystone political hacks. First they what to dismantle the Public School system by attacking the teachers totally alienating the powerful teacher's union and then they launch an assault against unions in general. Obama is a failure, period. A total disappointment who has failed to get us out of two fucking wars that are bankrupting us, totally failed at getting us a decent heath care system, won't dare even discuss recinding the tax breaks for the wealthy, but is going to kick some ass when he finds out who is responsible for the gulf oil disaster. I will give him a hint, its his buddies in the DLC in collusion with Big Oil. The working class doesn't need anymore enemies who don't give a damn about their welfare.

[Enthusiast]

15. Way to say it, olegramps!

Gibbs was apparently giving us the administration's position. I am shocked. Obama is in this age group from where I hear pretty much universal anti labor rhetoric.

[SusanaMontana41]

58. "... his buddies in the DLC ..."

Until he proves otherwise, President Obama is a card-carrying member.

[BEZERKO]

11. Fuckin' A Bubba!

[Enthusiast]

13. Way to go, Ed!

Hey, piss on an administration with an official attitude like this one.

[90-percent]

14. Voter Suppression

The shenanigans where polling places were CLOSED in districts where Bill Halter was strong is BULLSHIT! 40 polling places reduced to 2? Early voting notices for Saturday, and then go to the polls and find they're closed because it's against the law to vote on Saturdays is BULLSHIT!

This has the stench of a Bush/Rove rigged election ALL THE FUCK OVER IT! Note the technique - they picked a few critical districts and made them dysfunctional. They didn't do that across the board. It's the same M.O. used in the presidential election of 2004 in Ohio.

This is the type of crap you'd expect in dictatorial banana republics, not the USA, the great beacon of democracy for the entire fucking world!

I guess the attitude down in Arkansas is; "gee, that's too bad about all those closed polling places. gee wizz."

-90% Jimmy

[Enthusiast]

16. Sounds exactly like the shit they

pulled in Northern Ohio in 2004 and like they pulled in Florida in 2000. I would not be at all surprised to find the same operatives where behind the scene.

They only pull enough subterfuge to steal the election-that's all, only enough. It is calculated to keep the election close enough to give them "plausible deniability" yet it guarantees the desired results. A few critical districts...........

See, they have all this practice pulling election fraud in banana republics during the 1950s and 1960s. Poppy Bush.....

[mmonk]

22. Yep. The DLC and the Republican dirty tricks machine

are cut from the same cloth.

[Lena inRI]

17. SOLIDARITY . . .big rec for Big Ed. . .

. . .he has verbalized the widening breach between Obamacrats and Realdemocrats.

I'm beyond angry with chameleon Obama.

Just threw out his 2 books in the trash.. . along with the campaign sign I displayed from pre-primary 07 to his election 08. In fact, for 2012, I'm putting up a public apology for that support and I will be promoting ANYBODY BUT OBAMA.

This Obamacrat and his contempt for working class and progressives has become undeniable.

This bipartisanship of Obama-WClinton-GHWBush. . .this unflappable alienation of labor and progressives. . .this coalition forming a new Corporatist Party right before our very eyes. . .

Triumviri Imperitori. . .
A triumvirate (from Latin, "of three men") is a political regime dominated by three powerful individuals, each a triumvir (pl. triumviri)

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Bush+Hosts+Obama+Former+Presidents+White+House+AIYYLtxH7HCl.jpg

S O L I D A R I T Y now or never. . .I hear you loud and clear, ED!

:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

[libmom74]

35. It's too bad you can't recommend posts

I'm with you, I worked my butt off to get Obama elected, I took time off work and everything, and to watch what his administration has done (from day one with the McClurkin fiasco) onward has made me ill. I'm starting to think it is time for liberals/progressives to form a Labor Party, if we look to our own history that is what saved the Democratic Party and helped to move them to the left in the 1930's, it was the fact that FDR was facing a formidable challenge from a Labor Party, he had to go left and co-opt most of their platform. What we lack now is a truly progressive party, we have a center right party, the Democrats and a way off in the lunatic fringe right, the Republicans, we need better options.

[Lena inRI]

38. Welcome, libmom74. . .

. . .DU needs more Realdemocrats like you.

Just expect a very bumpy ride on this message board since the tensions are getting worse as Obama goes further to the right of center.

Also, have your passport in order because if the Realdemocrats lose seats this year and 2012, expect to see these corporatists go after. . .

the end of Social Security

teachers'unions plus whatever others

war with Iran

controlling Internet access. . .

and that's when, for me, this Republic is dead.

If you agree, you'll need that passport to become an expatriate. . .emigree.

:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

[totodeinhere]

36. That picture you posted of the four corporatists chumming it up says it all. n/t

[Lena inRI]

41. Oh yeah. . .glad you see that. . .

. . .took me awhile, being in self-denial and all about Obama and Change We Can Count On.

But there's no more looking back now for me. . .the die it is cast. . .

we working Americans are in THE struggle for our survival as the middle class.. .

WITHOUT Obamacrats.

:smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:

[scentopine]

18. The democrats are the best republicans we can hope for -nt

[midnight]

19. K&R.

[daleanime]

20. Rock and roll....

I'm well beyond pissed off:grr:

[Turk 182]

21. Rock on ED K&R

I hope this will just inspire us progressives to fight back harder, give more money to real progressive candidates, and bitch slap the WH.:spank:

[ljm2002]

23. Big Ed!!! Yeah!!!

Everyone should see this.

K&R

[Populist_Prole]

25. Highly recommend

and a kick for good measure

[fascisthunter]

24. I Guess they don't need our votes anymore

seems like a trend, since we know elections can be somewhat fixed and manipulated.

And yes, I think the DLC also helped sink Al Gore's chances as well as Kerry's.

[liberation]

29. And to a point they are correct: they do not need our votes anymore

With the GOP in such a disarray, Obama is courting the moderate republican base. Thus his triangulation since he entered office makes perfect sense. He will probably have no issue winning in 2012, plus he will win the second term using center-right votes which are far closer to his ideological interests anyways. Win-win, no need for Obama et al to have to even pretend they care about those pesky retarded liberals.

Plus if he was to veer left now, his post-WH earning potential would be severely limited. Presidents make far more money in their post-WH years than during office. All those speaking engagements, and advisory board positions would be severely limited if he was to turn lefty anytime in office. And I assume he wants to provide Michelle and the girls a good living standard, so I can't say I blame him for that. I blame the legion of liberals still in denial thinking he is about to turn leftie any day soon, when the truth of the matter is that he has absolutely no incentive to do so, in fact it would be totally against his interests to do so. Being so fucking naive is no way to go through life, me thinks.

[totodeinhere]

37. He has "absolutely no incentive to do so?"

What about the incentive to do what is right for the American people? Or am I naive to think that anything like that matters?

[liberation]

43. Doing what is "right" for the American people would get him in a lot of trouble

This trouble would be ranging for putting most of the brainwashed population against his administration (yes, parts of the American population are brainwashed into thinking that any sort of interference with private business for the common good is the most unamerican action possible). To all the way of ending up putting a bullet in his head the minute he seriously threatens some of the entrenched interests in DC.

All that Mr. Obama can do is put a friendlier face to the whole thing, give nice speeches, and not rock the boat significantly. The last thing most Americans want is actual significant change, most people have been conditioned to think this is the best they can get and will fight tooth and nail to keep it. You can't expect actual meaningful "change" when it is being sold as a commercial product, by the same system which led us to this mess. It is the triumph of marketing, so far they have won and keep wining. All that most liberals/progressives in this country (and the left has been pretty much hunted down to extintion in this land of ours) are doing is spinning their wheels in the mud, always caught 2 steps behind.

The best Obama can hope for is to stabilize things, and leave office alive with a guaranteed post-WH earning potential. I don't respect that, but I can most certainly understand Mr. Obama.

Furthermore, what I said still stands: Obama is a center-right politician, there is simply no incentive for him to turn left: it would put his 2012 re-election triangulation strategy in peril (I assume he is counting on the moderate conservative and independents to carry him them, and he may be right on that bet), and would put his post-WH earning potential in jeopardy. Not gonna happen. Why would he take so many risks to cater to an ideology he is not even remotely interested in? It makes absolutely no sense, and it reflects poorly in the American left.... who is either too naive to think that way, or is too desperate for representation that will support anyone who does not spit their way, even when the candidate in question is no where remotely interested in a center-left, never mind leftist, political program.

[totodeinhere]

46. You paint a very grim picture.

If your analysis is correct, then it makes me wonder what I am even doing here at DU. After all, it was the mods at this website who actively solicited donations to his presidential campaign. And I remember the widespread celebrating at this site after he won, and I was one of those who celebrated. Are saying that all of that was for nothing?

[liberation]

54. When understanding reality I tend to focus more on facts, more than on how I feel

As far as I understand, the mission statement for this site is to discuss and further issues that have to do with the Dem party. So it makes perfect sense for them to ask for donations for the Dem candidate, and celebrate when their choice in the election wins. As well as they should. This site after all has a very prominent "democratic" moniker in its title. I think what you described is perfectly understood under that context.


When the choice comes down to McCain vs. Obama, well that is a no brainer. And I did work for Obama's campaign, and I did celebrate when he was elected. Because it was obvious to me that another republican administration was unacceptable. But I have absolute no delusions about where I stand from an ideological standpoint and where Obama stands on his. Although I most definitively was not expecting him to err so much to the right and to continue as many of the bullshit that Bush threw our way (I would have just be happy if he had just stayed in the center).

IMHO The problem with American politics, esp. at the presidential level is that we will be always be stuck with a false dichotomy: having to choose between a raving lunatic reactionary vs. a somewhat sane center-right fellow, is not much of a choice for someone who is progressive. Since we are always forced to chose among the least bad of two choices, it is like being told to chose between a shot in the head or getting your ass kicked. Well, I'll pick getting my ass kicked every day. But when those who are in favor of ass kicking keep crooning at how much better things are since I did not get shot in the head, well... I have to remember that I never cared for having my ass kicked to begin with. So why the fuck should I be ever so happy? it is a false choice. And I must say that esp. after this past election cycle, and its outcome, that is all to obvious (at least to me).


Now, I am a relatively young... so I took this election (and the 8years of hell under Bush) as a learning experience. As a progressive, I have learned to know better than to project my expectations on someone who is not on the same ideological page. Nothing wrong with being a center-right dude, I just don't happen to care much for that flavor of ice cream... so I will support those who share my point of view and have no qualms about defending my interests. And if those people have to not be part of the Dem ticket at that time, well so be it.

So no grim picture at all, I was just simply relaying the way I see things. Denial never helps solve things. Understanding the reality in an intellectually honest way is the best way of at least understanding where things went wrong, and what needs to happen in order to fix things.

Bitching about Obama may be therapeutic for some. But at the same time, people need to stop being naive enough that thinking that a single election cycle and a change in administration... with the rest of the system that created the mess being left intact, is just like adding a different coat of pain and thinking our collapsing house is going to somehow stay up. Well, the problem is at the foundation, and although the coat of paint sure does look pretty... the house is still crumbling down. And fixing the house is going to take a lot of time and effort. Being naive is not the best way to approach home improvements ;-)

[Moochy]

64. To help maintain the Necessary Illusions of Democracy!

Go Team Illusion!

[Lorien]

61. They own the media and the Diebold machines

they can orchestrate any outcome they desire.

[Moochy]

65. One of the Many Side benefits of maintaining The Imperial Presidency

The keys to the Diebold Wurlitzer!

[defendandprotect]

26. If I hear Ed correctly, he's saying that Dems were complicit in voter suppression....????

Another commentator I noticed also picked up on that and reported it this way . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8522076&mesg_id=8528607

[provis99]

53. Lincoln is a goddamn cheat.

Her cronies in the statehouse rigged elections in Halter-strong counties. On the day before the election, and MSNBC poll had Halter ahead by four points.

[defendandprotect]

28. Agree --Targeting knocked out Specter and forced Lincoln into a run-off . . .

and the Unions and all of us should keep at it --

Repugs have been targeting for decades -- we're just getting started --

and believe me they targeted moderates and true conservationists in their own party as

well as Democrats.

Of course, they were also involved of lots of other stuff in shifting elections which

we seem to have only begun noticing during Watergate and again in 2000 and 2004 --

but IMO it's been going on since early-late-1960's -- about the time that America

was passing The Voting Rights Act and computers were coming in!

[emmadoggy]

30. A hearty K & R from me!

[Bette Noir]

31. I may have to start watching this guy.

And I'm becoming increasingly disappointed with Mr. President. If I'd wanted a conservative in office, I'd have voted for... no, I can't bring myself to say I'd have voted for that senile fool who ran against Obama. But I would have left the "President" line blank on my ballot, and only voted in the local races.

[driver8]

48. I don't always agree with Ed Schulz, but he has always been very pro-labor.

I may have to start watching him, too!

[mzmolly]

33. I had no idea that Gibbs reinforced the "mystery spokesperson's"

remarks. UGH.

[Uncle Joe]

34. Why did they cut out 40 polling places and how can they justify that?

Kicked and recommended, thanks for the thread, t0dd.

[Lorien]

62. I suspect that we'll see a lot more of that kind of thing in the future

won't be reported on much, either. :mad:

[MissDeeds]

39. That was awesome

K&R

:kick:

[burnsei sensei]

40. I hope this does mean

a political upsurge from the left that scares the hell out of these pretenders in the White House.
Working families and labor are truer representatives of the people than the government now.

[penndragon69]

42. It's not the Democrats fault.

The voting fraud was perpetrated by the Pro clinton DLC'ers
who wanted their corporate girl in congress.

We already have three partys in America.... The Fanatical right,
The centrist R/L and the Progressive wing of the "American party" aka, the Real Democrats.

The sooner we destroy the DLC, the sooner we can save America!

[democrank]

45. It`s the New Democratic Party....

No to unions, yes to corporations.

[big lu]

50. k&R

[suzanner]

51. thanks to Ed for all the heavy lifting!

There's one fantastic Iron Man.

[Name removed]

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[MissDeeds]

55. This was a most righteous rant

I love how Ed kept saying "we" when he spoke about labor. He called out the WH corporate thugs who relied on labor to get where they are today.
The gauntlet has been thrown, the 'change' meme has been exposed, and the workers of this country are mad as hell. I can't wait for 2012. Ed rocks!!!!

[Dinger]

56. I LOVE ED SCHULTZ!!!!

:loveya:

[DeSwiss]

60. White House:

K&R

[Militant_Populist]

63. Kudos Eddie!

I didn't like this guy when he first started out, but he's growing on me.

[autorank]

66. k*r Ed, that's why they're there. It's their job. They dig it.

[ChicagoMark]

67. Never Give Up!!

Love you Ed! The fight has just begun and we can never give up! Keep reminding everyone!!

[laughingliberal]

68. K & R nt