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Grassy Knoll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:56 PM
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Keith Olbermann Mad At Jon Stewart Putting Him In Same Box As Fox
 
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 01:15 AM
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1. Jonathan Alter and Keith Olbermann are right.
Jon Stewart went way too far when he condemned MSNBC and Fox as if they were equally bad in terms of quality of reporting and hype.

MSNBC is openly and honestly partisan but really tries to tell the truth and to give the opportunity to the other side to speak. Rachel's reporting on the candidates in Alaska is an example. You knew who she liked best, but she did not paint the ones she didn't like much as evil. In fact, with Murkowski, she was encouraging. She showed quite a bit of respect for Murkowski.

And when Keith and Ed Schultz go into their most critical speeches, they are having a bit of fun. There is hyperbole in their discussion, but the listeners they attract recognize the hyperbole and are laughing with them -- just as they do with Jon Stewart when he exaggerates things to make a joke.

Keith's and Ed's humor is drier. But people smart enough to enjoy Keith and Schultz know how to listen to what they say and take it either with a grain of salt and understand the love and compassion that is behind it.

The problem with Fox is that love and compassion are missing altogether. Fox knows that its viewers are gullible fools for the most part, not the top students in their respective classes in college, and that Fox viewers are not able to understand irony, hyperbole or even much humor. Mostly the Fox viewers watch because of the sexy looking women and the well built men. Forgive me, MSNBC, but I haven't noticed that you feature anywhere near as many goofy girls or maniacal men as Fox. The occasional nerd on Fox is virtually always a token liberal selected to make liberals look boring.

For those who think that cable TV is too much and too divisive, why not do as we did: Cancel your cable TV subscription.

Or turn to some other channel. The food and home improvement channels are not divisive. National Geographic, Discovery, the Learning Channel, etc. are enlightening and don't divide the country.

Fact is we have non-stop, hysterical cable news because there is a market for it. People who watch it love it because it is so crazy, so different from their dull work-a-day lives.

So, grow up, Jon Stewart. The suggestion that Keith Olbermann and Glenn Beck are somehow equally extreme and divisive -- has got to be a joke. The difference is obvious.

Anyway, I think Jon Stewart's call for sanity is great, but the idea that MSNBC and Fox are somehow equally divisive is just downright wrong.

And now that, in response to Stewart's criticism, Keith has reviewed his show and decided to, at least for the time being, end a segment that he thinks might be a bit too much, let's see whether Fox changes any of its programming. Don't hold your breath, Jon Stewart.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 01:25 AM
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2. Jon had it coming
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:46 AM
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3. Yup.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:49 AM
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4. amazing how many DUers just do not fucking get it
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 03:02 AM
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5. Keith actually kind of got it
Almost. And he's kind of thin skinned so I'm impressed.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 03:05 AM
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6. yup
too many DUers don't fucking get THAT either :o
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 03:07 AM
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7. It would have been better if he ended that segment before the discussion
with Jonathan Alter. His hurt feelings showed in a place or two there, but the beginning of that segment was awesomely stellar.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 03:30 AM
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8. Will Jon offer some type of Peace Meeting?
Perhaps appearing on KO or vice versa? A coffee summit of some sort. But, what about everyone else like Big Ed, I don't count Tweety because he's flakey. Stewart didn't show a Rachel clip :)
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 03:39 AM
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9. NOOOoooOOO!!!
Worst Persons in the World is one of my favorite segments of any news show. Getting rid of it is like Bill Maher getting rid of New Rules. :cry:
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herbm Donating Member (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 08:48 AM
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15. I look forward to worst persons. And I think Jon went over the top.
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 05:02 AM
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10. I'm not saying that it isn't a false equivelancy..But
Edited on Tue Nov-02-10 05:03 AM by Sky Masterson
It's goes deeper than that.
I think it's more about narrative.
Like for instance the Islamic Community center in New York and the Qur'an burning threats that followed.
The media covered this shit and perpetuated the story(Magnified it)and it raised all kinds of hell.
Fox would spout out some shit and one on our side would confront them on it.
I mean the Media gave us the Tea Party. Who IMHO are just Loyal Fox News viewers who were organized by Beck for the 9/12 rallies.
And the fact that even MSNBC has on pundits that claim it's a "grass roots movement" and they aren't just far right republicans
Is dishonest.
Do I think Kieth and Ed are Like Beck and Rush? hell no! But the tones are the same.
I don't know what the answer is or how to fix this But I rarely watch Kieth and Ed anymore.( I always watch Rachel)
Right or Left Stewart is right. Our media is totally broken..
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 06:06 AM
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11. i agree. it isn't so much about the content but the tone. and you have
rush or beck say something and then olbermann responds and then they respond and it just keeps going. i mean, we can't simply ignore what they say when they lie can we? rachel addresses things, but she approaches it differently. she does a story with facts and documentation etc. when they day they have a bigger audience she says, you're right you do.... but dancing with the stars gets more than both of us combined. totally deflating his argument. just because he included keith and ed in the MSM media tornado doesn't make him wrong.
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vanbean Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 09:46 AM
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16. The difference is in who is telling the truth. TRUTH MATTERS!
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 06:20 AM
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12. Howard Fineman tried to say this same shit on Chris Matthews' show
and Joan Walsh wasn't having any of it. She totally called him out on trying to use that false equivalency--saying the left was just as bad as the right. She was like "give me an example of that" and he couldn't. Even Chris Matthews was like wtf?

No, there is no equivalency in either message or tone. IF Ed or Keith is worked up, it's about a serious affront that is being perpetrated by fux/thugs on people--and Ed focuses on what impacts the middle/working class. Neither of them get worked up over trying to get a lie to catch fire--or trying to force a non story to sprout legs and take off for the next 3 news cycles.
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rwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 08:21 AM
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13. Jon
constantly skewers fox news but wants everyone else to get along. What does he expect Ed and Keith to do? Ignore the fox homophobia,the Islamophobia, etc.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 09:49 AM
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14. Keith and Jon are the same...moving on. He's just being a hypocrite. n/t
Edited on Tue Nov-02-10 09:50 AM by vaberella
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