Cop kills dog then guy for asking if he had a warrant

[yurbud]

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The guy's partner said at no time did he feel threatened by the suspect though they did scuffle with the guy.

[Dawson Leery]

1. The porker was indicted.

If the system were fair, this porker would receive the same sentence a private citizen would receive if they murdered a cop.
Has the Fascist Order of Pigs (FOP) come crying yet?

[RZM]

3. Stay classy over there n/t

[nosmokes]

8. You have a problem with pigs being called pigs?

What about stormtroopers? Do you mind if they're called pigs?
and the difference here is what exactly?

I'll give them the respect they claim they deserve when they start to police their own ranks. But i'm not holding my breath waiting for it to happen.

[RZM]

13. I think it's pretty lame for a few reasons

1) It's not 1972
2) Not all police officers are bad people
3) There are scenarios where you would be glad to accept their help

[neoralme]

17. Not me! I don't want them near me or my family under ANY

circumstances. The modern breed of cop is a megalomaniac from the gitgo.

[RZM]

24. We both know there are many circumstances where you would want police assistance

But pretend otherwise if you like

[neoralme]

35. Not true at all. After the Democratic Convention of 1968 and watching

cops in action, I decided to stay completely away from them. So I'll just pretend otherwise, thank you.

[haydukelives]

37. i'm pretending too

Want them (COPS) to stay away from me at all times.

[RZM]

41. And if a family member were the victim of a violent crime?

I take it you wouldn't want them to find the perpetrator and wouldn't cooperate in the investigation? What if you were the only witness?

[neoralme]

42. No. Don't want them helping me or my family, and I will not help

them in any way. In the case of the primer, I would hire a private detective. Now, if the PD had to interact with cops, that is okay. If the cops come to question me, then, of course, I will answer their questions. But as far as having any use for them, absolutely not. I have seen too many things. But, then, I understand that other people may have had different experiences than me.

[RZM]

43. So you would answer their questions then

Which would in effect be taking their help, since the answers you provided would be used in the investigation. Hence, you're blowing smoke here. You would accept their help in certain circumstances. As I said, we both already knew that.

I'm trying to marginalize your negative interactions with them. Believe me, I've had some bad ones too.

But I don't judge them all based on that. And I can think of many circumstances where I would accept police assistance, even from police officers whose behavior I found distasteful.

[neoralme]

46. Blowing smoke? No, blowing smoke is where I refused to answer

their questions where I had a choice not to. Which I don't. I know what cops do when you don't answer their questions. Harassment, in many forms. However, during the course of the question taking I would answer the questions perfunctorily, volunteering no information, answering only that which I perceived answered the question in its most basic form. Whatever you assume you know is of no concern to me. I judge them all based on what I have seen in the course of a lifetime. I have no police record at all, not even traffic tickets. I simply can't stand them.

[RZM]

49. Giving only minimal cooperation would reduce the chances that the perp would be caught

That's bad for a couple of reasons. It would reduce the chances of justice for your family member. Even worse, it might increase the amount of time the perp had out of the street, where they could commit more violent crimes against other people.

It's your right to do whatever you like. But sometimes there's more at stake.

[Downtown Hound]

71. Not to mention the RNC in St. Paul in 2008

Police firing tear gas and flash bang grenades at peaceful protesters, grabbing them off the street and charing them with ridiculous felonies that they didn't commit...the list goes on.

I know not all cops are bad people. But that doesn't mean I want them or their help anywhere near me.

[neoralme]

72. It's time to form the revolution.

[earthbone]

33. Cops..

i would have to agree.as soon as they are in your yard they will start poking around.
my neighbor called the fire department on me because my barbeque was making a lot of smoke.
When the cops showed up one was looking inside of my car and the other bent over to peak inside my garage,the door was half way up.i just looked at him and asked "are you done" ?they had already determined there was no fire when i asked this.stay far away from those fuckers and dont call them for anything !

[neoralme]

36. My sentiments exactly. I have all kinds of stories to tell about

cops and the things I've seen them do. The girl next door is going to be a cop soon. I watched her grow up from a baby. I hope my wife and I can be in another country before I get to see her doing her cop strut.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

56. I once called the police because I found/noticed a naked guy in my alley claiming to be tied up.

I thought he was some drunk sleeping next to my neighbor's garage. He had blankets or something covering him so I couldn't tell. (turns out he was car-jacked and dumped in my alley)

Anyway, I called the police. Several cop cars showed up and then an ambulance and then more cop cars. All while I stood there in plain view on my back deck expecting to be interviewed, talked to, or whatever. Nothing. Nobody says a word to me.


5 hours later, probably about midnight, I hear noise on my back deck so I go to check on it and find a plainclothes detective rooting around on my porch. I stick my head out the door to ask if I can be of assistance and he starts giving me the third degree:

Why didn't you leave your name? No one asked.

Why did you use your cell phone and not your land line? Duh, I was in the alley when I called.

Why does your cell phone not report back to this address? I don't know, take it up with AT&T cellular (he says he will, in fact, check it out).

What are all those boxes in your kitchen, Did you just move in? Yes a month or two ago but I'm a procrastinator.

Where do you work?
What's your date of birth?
What's your social security number?

Can I come in? Rather you didn't.

At this point I'm not feeling so good about having a cop on my back porch. Especially since my boyfriend is in the other room in bed - who knows if the cop is a complete homophobe.

[janet118]

57. I agree . . . Officer Friendly is dead . . .

At least in my relatively small town . . . police are over-paid, thuggish and arrogant. They treat all non-related or connected citizens with disdain. Since we have little crime, every little incident is an excuse for sirens, racing cars, acting thuggish and closing down streets. They must watch too much tv or mistook all the tributes to people in uniform to mean them. There are few, if any, women on the force and they are not visible. There is definitely a macho culture - shaved heads and all.

In the past 10 years, there have been a least two police shootings of unarmed civilians and one death attributed to a police officer who ran down an old lady walking in a crosswalk to get to church. The cop who killed the pedestrian was cleared of all wrong doing, as were the officers involved in the shootings. These same officers would have testified against any civilian who did the same thing and had the same lame excuses. I don't call the police names but I will say that they are not held accountable for their actions and mistakes and that they participate in covering up for their "brothers." This happens in all professions. It becomes dangerous when the profession has the power over life and death.

"The cops don't need you and, man, they expect the same." - Bob Dylan

[RoccoR5955]

28. I'll give you #1, but 2 and 3 are a load

of bovine fecal matter.
How many cops do you know and interact with every day? I do, and let me tell you, about 3/4 of them are as bad as the criminals that they seek to bring to justice. For that reason alone, they are the last people I would accept help from.

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[RZM]

39. Why the diminutive?

If you're going to use idiotic slurs against me, show at least a modicum of respect and give the full-sized version.

[awoke_in_2003]

47. "Not all police officers are bad people"...

yeah, 90% give the rest a bad name. Seriously, as long as the "good" cops keep backing the bad, then they are not good.

[RZM]

50. I try to be consitent about broad brushing

I don't think anywhere near 90 percent are bad either. Most are somewhere in between. They act like asses sometimes and they give valuable service sometimes.

[awoke_in_2003]

52. Like I said...

when you protect the abusers you are just as bad as they.

[RZM]

54. Closing ranks around you own is a human trait

It's how the world works. Not always pretty, but there you are.

[awoke_in_2003]

62. "All that is necessary...

for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." So, if I see a coworker savagely beat or kill a customer and do nothing (like call the police), I am going to be charged with a crime. If a cop does nothing, it is closing ranks. Your complicity is duly noted.

[RZM]

63. Note it until your heart's content

I don't endorse covering up misconduct. I do wish more was done to root out the bad apples. All I'm noting is that it's part of our nature to not do so.

Too bad, I know, but life ain't fair. There are a myriad of other examples you could bring up that illustrate this trait. Police officers aren't the only ones close ranks.

[awoke_in_2003]

69. "Police officers aren't the only ones close ranks"

Well I guess that makes it alright, then.

[RZM]

70. Of course not

We both know pointing out wrongs here doesn't excuse another wrong there. But it can add some valuable context. All I'm saying is that it's natural. People do it all the time all over the world.

[awoke_in_2003]

75. Yeah, I get what you are saying...

another bad trait is being suspicious of people who are different than you- that goes back to caveman days. But as intelligent beings we have to work to overcome that trait. We have to stare straight at things like brutality and prejudice, see them for what they are, and work to eliminate them. Have a great weekend. :toast:

[MikeMc]

82. Beto's Pizza rocks. NT.

[awoke_in_2003]

85. oh no you didn't...

I haven't had that since the last time I visited my uncle (19 years ago). I am now very jealous.

[MikeMc]

86. Listen, just get him to overnight mail a 28 cut tray to you. Turn the oven on before it arrives.

Don't order extra cheese.

[awoke_in_2003]

87. "Don't order extra cheese"...

oh, I remember the drill :)

[MikeMc]

88. 10 - 4.

[1monster]

16. No problem with pigs being called pigs. I have a problem with disgusting low life scum like

that policeman being called pigs. It is insulting to pigs.

Pigs are very intelligent animals and can be great family members. Nothing like the many corrupt individuals who tend toward law enforcement in order to legally bully and kill.

Disclaimer: not all law enforcement officers are bad, just way too many of them are.

[dotymed]

34. Sadly, they are trained (in most cases) to be "storm troopers"

and not to "protect and serve." Especially, if they feel financially superior to the "suspect" ( sometimes even that doesn't matter), they treat them like trash, a target at the range.

It seems that most have a military (the #1 recruited) mindset and are sociopaths who make themselves feel better by hurting others.

The policemen of thirty years ago were so much different. They were "working stiffs", a member of our community, for the most part.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

20. Maybe it's just me...

...but I think Dawson's post has exactly as much class as the situation warrants.

[leeroysphitz]

11. Don't mince words Dawson. What do you REALLY think? n/t

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[Dokkie]

83. +1000

I hate cops, these people think they know whats best for us. I hope he gets the death penalty

[Xipe Totec]

2. Happened October 5, 2010

Just a reminder. This happened on October 5, 2010. The Police Officer in question was indicted by a grand jury 10 days after it happened for second degree murder and sometime in March he was fired from the job. He'll likely be sentenced in short order.

[yurbud]

6. that's a happy ending more or less.

[KansDem]

7. Putting a gun to someone's head and pulling the trigger is now "second-degree murder?"

Hate to see what constitutes first degree...

[Mumblefratz]

10. 1st degree murder ...

requires premeditation.

2nd degree murder can still be capital offense, particularly in Arizona.

This is far different than being let off on Manslaughter (3rd degree murder).

[yurbud]

14. manslaughter would be tough to defend in this case. What are you expecting to happen when you shoot

someone in the head at point blank range? Death is near certain.

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[Blecht]

4. Shows it's not a good idea to invite a cop into your home

The only time to do so would be if your life is in danger for some other reason.

I'm sure the mother is having a hard time living with herself for allowing that murderer inside.

[QuintanarooBoy]

32. Especially is you're a Hispanic Arizonan

I'm a white Spanish-American, living in Flagstaff, and I've gotten shit because of my surname.

[donquijoterocket]

51. college

Returning from a late night meeting to discuss anti-war action by the local VVAW. And a campus cop which might be only a step or two away-I'm not sure which direction- from mall rentacop- put a black friend on the hood of a car while virtually ignoring me I'm not black even after I got in his face to ask if it was necessary. Later let us go as my friend and I were both decorated Viet combat vets which impressed this cop. Later the same year our chapter pretty much got arrested en masse for parading without a permit marching in the Denver Veteran's day parade without having gotten the permit after applying and waiting three weeks.Generally they were apologetic and "just doing their job" some one of the members remarked about that having been heard at Nuremberg. Little use for cops under almost any circumstances. I hope someone keeps tabs on this as the degree of justice meted out ought to prove interesting.

[Iggo]

5. Yay, Cops!

They're the best!

[MrMickeysMom]

18. Actually, the majority of them ARE the best...

I say this as someone who deals with them at a local municipal level.

If we follow through with truth and justice, we'll find out WHY a police officer with PRIOR DISCIPLINARY ISSUES ever got to this point. My guess is that it can be blamed on whoever is in charge of the initial discipline.

Lots of stress in this job, and you BETTER well have a quality system in place that singles out guys (or women) like this.

Meanwhile, anyone of the good ones would take a bullet for people here using cursory judgement of ALL of them.

So, think of that before this thread deteriorates further, people.

[Iggo]

21. I said something positive.

It's my way.

[MrMickeysMom]

22. Then, I say, "yay", also...

I'm ready to think it was otherwise, so "sorry" I did.

[midnight]

27. I wish I could agree with your analysis... But the tools in their tool kit

suggest everyone is guilty until they prove themselves innocent... Until that changes there is a greater potential that those not fit for the job to stay put.... That system that is in place is the police force are policing themselves... That has to change too... especially if there is going to be a chance for justice to prevail... Buy the time a police officer breaks the law, and that is because he/she can and someone is dead, it is too late....

[haydukelives]

40. cops policing themselfs

OK yea that sounds OK. What could go wrong.

[MrMickeysMom]

73. Question:1 Who supervises you at work?

When managing a police department, there are chiefs and there are chiefs.

At the municipal level, any chief and his/her department are held to standards with the ultimate responsibility and accountable to local government.

All I am saying is that WE MUST ASSURE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL that we are accountable. If you don't know how that's done, then I think it's time you had a little talk with you local government representative.

Question 2: Do you know who that is?

[provis99]

80. cops are nothing but government-paid gangsters.

[Serve The Servants]

9. Another roid raging cop?

If a citizen murders a police officer, they automatically get the death penalty. It is time we start holding police officers who murder citizens to the same standard.

[MrMickeysMom]

19. If it's a murder of the same order...

Yes.

[Enthusiast]

26. I suspect steroids often plays a role.

Lots of cops are juicing to build themselves up. It can get out of hand.

Turn on any episode of TV's 'Cops'. You will see the occasional officer with his sleeves rolled way up to show off his 'guns'. This should raise alarm bells with fellow officers. But there is that thin blue line.

[tomm2thumbs]

15. 'we're only getting one side of the story'... uh, from the other officer AND family present

sounds like they have MUCH more than 'ONE' side of the story

____

I think 'no comment' would have been better stated than trying to argue points with the commentator on TV -- not sure what the point of going on TV was if they are going to have nothing to say of substance

[Hassin Bin Sober]

61. I like how he says they are going to take their union member's word.

Which one? The member/cop who shot the kid? Or the member/cop who reported him?

[avebury]

23. K&R

[demwing]

25. Rule #1 - Never invite a cop into your home.

Rule #2 - Never talk to a cop without your attorney present. And when you do, never say more than you absolutely must.

Rule #3 - Cops are people. That means that some of them are flawed, and will do all those fucked up things that other flawed people do = They will lie, they will cheat, they will hate, irrationally, and sometimes they will kill. Therefore, when you have to interact with a cop, be polite, respectful, and compliant. You have the rest of your life to rage out on someone -- unless you are in prison, or just dead.

[RoccoR5955]

29. All of them are flawed in one way or another

To state that only some of them are flawed is putting them up on a pedestal, rating them far above all the rest of the human race, all of which has some flaw or another.
My experience is that if a cop has a bug up his ass, no matter how civil, polite, or respectful you treat him/her, you will still get treated like fecal matter.

[demwing]

64. Of course all are flawed - but when I wrote "flawed" I meant FLAWED.

Get me?

[RoccoR5955]

76. i don't get you at all. please elaborate. thx n/t

[demwing]

77. Everyone has flaws. Simple flaws.

But some of us have MAJOR flaws, and I quote my original post: "some of them are flawed, and will do all those fucked up things that other flawed people do = They will lie, they will cheat, they will hate, irrationally, and sometimes they will kill.

I can't see how that equates to putting cops on a pedestal.

[MikeMc]

31. Orwell rolls over, Frank Marino's quote (min 2:55 of the clip):

"We do have what's called 'due process', we have civil rights, also the presumption that the person is innocent until proven guilty"

Of course he made this statement to defend the cop that just violated the due process, civil rights, and presumption of innocence of the civilian who he shot and killed.

Frank should have given this little pep-talk in the squad room, before the shooting. I can hear the cop's defense attorney in the background, saying "Ixnay on the ue day ocess pray, Frank!"

[yurbud]

48. I missed that irony watching this. Good catch.

[blackbart99]

60. Fuckin eh!! Real good catch.

Only cops get the due process. The rest of us are just gun fodder.

[MikeMc]

66. I think the bad cops only know who NOT to shoot..

The rest of them can't break ranks. The Sarge on this call is breaking ranks.

[MikeMc]

67. In our face Orwell, like Breitbart carrying around a picture

of Weiner's privates, because its obscenity just outrages him. Like a Howard Stern guy yelling at Weiner for obscenity, at Weiner's resignation presser. Like a repug calling a Democrat a 'traitor'. Repugs vs. reality.

[Divine Discontent]

44. so, if he did as his partner & the mom charged, then he deserves life in prison. simple. of course,

he probably won't get it. Johannes Meserle, the guy that killed Oscar Grant on the BART system in Oakland 1/1/09, got out for good behavior something like a year or so after his imprisonment for shooting the dude in the back and claiming he meant to use a stun gun. That deserved more of a sentence than that...

[FreeBillClinton]

45. If I've learned one thing reading The Agitator...

Never call the cops.

This woman did and now her son is dead.

[spooked911]

53. Warrant? We don't need no stinking warrant!

christ

[keepCAblue]

55. I have a friend, an assistant county D.A., who has this posted on her front door:

"In case of emergency, please DON'T SHOOT MY DOGS."

She found it necessary after a rash of Oakland PD incidents wherein old, harmless family dogs have been shot to death for no damn good reason (e.g., answering an audible alarm).

THAT is a sad commentary on the trigger-happiness of today's cops. Shoot now, ask questions later.

[keepCAblue]

58. I was a civilian employee with Phoenix PD from 1980-1985

And during that time there were a slew of cases of cops shooting or killing minorities for seemingly minor offenses. One case: A purse snatch suspect--teenage black youth--fatally shot in the back by a detective as the kid was fleeing. Another case: A black adult male arrested on suspicion of shoplifting was put in a strangle-hold by two officers until he lost consciousness and died. There were constant complaints of excessive use of force, particularly from minorities (predominantly black) within the South Phoenix community. At the time there were numerous protests and demands for a civilian review panel, which the Phoenix PD steadfastly refused. None of the officers involved in the aforementioned cases were ever charged or even severely reprimanded. They all kept their jobs and, at the very most, received a written reprimand and slap on the wrist.

While I was employed by Phx PD my own (now ex-) boyfriend beat me up, kidnapped me and held me inside his house at gunpoint. It took several units responding, a negotiator and several hours before he finally let me go.

What happened afterwards? The lieutenant on the scene told me it was MY FAULT and that I should "just leave Officer Klomp alone" in the future. My ex received one week PAID time off and was required to attend ONE therapy session. And that was it. Any civilian that had committed such crimes (felony assault, kidnapping and assault with a deadly weapon) would have gone to prison for several years.

It's been over 20 years since my unfortunate years with PPD and it's sad to see that not much has changed.

[DreamSmoker]

59. Lets dance

This interview makes me sick....
Just watching this Officer dance around the questions just gets me pissed and even more suspicious...

[evdebbs]

65. cop kills dog and minority

This scenario is tried and true.
The officer will be given a 2 week paid vacation (aka: paid administrative leave). He will either be exonerated after a "thorough investigation," or will be brought to trial and acquitted by a jury of his peers (an all or predominantly white jury). Either way, a year or two will pass and he will be given a promotion and raise.

[L0oniX]

68. Fucking control freak cops ...wife beaters too. Fuck them. I trust SW-MP9 to protect me.

I have never experienced a good meeting with a cop when I think I need one ...NEVER! Every one of them has been a total asshole. Every one of them had shown that they suspect me first before they know anything. They are not proactive, they are reactive.

[MrMickeysMom]

74. Shitty luck...

Just how many times have you been confronted?

[L0oniX]

78. 9 times, the latest one 3 weeks ago. A prowler was seen trying to break in to a home, I reported it.

I got grilled and my property got searched. It was like they suspected me or thought I was lying.

[MrMickeysMom]

79. Do you mind if I ask...

are you "not Caucasian"?

[MikeMc]

81. Richard Poplawski

A funny thing happened in Pgh (I mean Pittsburgh, sorry). There was this crazy guy who shot 4 cops, killing 3. It seems that Glenn Beck and Alex Jones got this well-armed Russian or Polish wiseguy all riled up, cause of how 'the Democrats were going to take his guns away'.

The cops took Poplawski alive, after he killed 3 cops. Verrrry unusual behavior from Pgh.'s finest. This is funny, but not amusing. The surviving cops knew that they couldn't shoot him. It is apparent that they felt they were forbidden to do so, though (as a casual outside observer) I think they were sorely provoked. (One arresting officer gun-butted him in the eye, but he's standing trial right now.) The Pitt cops' actions, in this case, were much different from the lack of restraint they showed when using the tear gas, batons, and Long Range Accoustical Devices against the peaceful (and overwhelmlingly Democratic) protestors at the G-20 Summit which our fair city hosted a few months later.

Like all segments of society, some cops are good, and some are bad. It's sadly true that almost none of the good ones will oppose the bad ones. The sarge in yurbud's original post is an exception. But now, no one will watch that guy's back, including the whole Dem Underground community. I sure as shit can't help him out, from way over here in Pgh.

Anyhow, the dead cops in Pgh walked into an ambush. Who wanted them dead, and why, I don't know. I'm guessing the repugs wanted them dead, but that's an 'uninformed' observation. Maybe only one was the target.

[Dokkie]

84. K&R

I bet this cop is a veteran of some foreign war. They treat Iraqis like ship and come back home with that mindset that they can treat americans the same way.