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Skip_In_Boulder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 06:24 PM Original message |
Chris Hedges: "This one could take them all down |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. why does chris hedges say that moveon.org is reprehensible? |
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Iwillnevergiveup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Hedges says |
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2banon (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. exactly.. I realized what MoveOn was all about back in 2004, absolutely worthless & co-opted |
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SadPanda (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
33. Not really, Moveon spent tens of millions in 2008... and its leadership is 150% liberal... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 01:30 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. MoveOn is not a democratic group. It's two rich people and their opinions. |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
83. I tend to agree. They've done some good, but their meet ups seem |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #40 |
99. Yep |
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Scruffy1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
94. That's what he is saying about "liberals". |
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bluetexas (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 12:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
36. agree n/t |
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Xtraneous (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. I don't know why he says that, it's a very good question... |
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Jim_Shorts (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
27. MoveOn is trying to co-opt OWS |
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Remember Me (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. VERY important article. Thanks. nt |
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SleeplessinSoCal (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:31 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. some involved with OWS disagree with Hedges re: MoveOn.org |
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zinnisking (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 07:55 AM Response to Reply #31 |
53. In 2004, after I gave them money, a MoveOn volunteer was calling my house semi-daily |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
87. agree, Hedges is about Hedges nt |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #87 |
113. Hedges is a brilliant, generous, principled man. It's okay if he disagrees with us on some points. |
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stillrockin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 06:57 AM Response to Reply #27 |
49. This article explains beautifully what we are up against. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #49 |
77. So do the comments to the OP - so many defending the status quo. nt |
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Slit Skirt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 07:58 AM Response to Reply #27 |
54. MoveOn is NOT trying to co-opt this at all |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 09:50 AM Response to Reply #54 |
65. I don't know about that... |
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Slit Skirt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #65 |
103. how is that coopting? |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #103 |
107. Did you read the whole article? |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 08:19 AM Response to Reply #27 |
57. excellent article |
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vanbean (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 09:14 AM Response to Reply #27 |
61. This is from that article, and sums it up nicely. |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 09:45 AM Response to Reply #27 |
64. That article needs its own OP. Will you please do that? |
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Jim_Shorts (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #64 |
75. Feel free, I'm not an expert on MoveOn |
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Slit Skirt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #64 |
104. watch out for conquer and divide strategies.... |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #104 |
108. Chris Hedges is hardly one who would try to conquer and divide. |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #27 |
86. Excellent article....very glad you shared it. |
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cachukis (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
96. The movement, however it unfolds, has to be a synthesis |
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Jim_Shorts (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Wooeee, you must be a microbiologist in real life |
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Fuddnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 09:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
59. They traded action for access. |
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Hotler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
92. Read this |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. There's no ''could'' about it Chris..... |
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kayakjohnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
3. Priceless. |
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jimlup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
4. God I hope there is a chance that he is right! |
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SparkyOR (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Well with the extreme whipsawing of political fervor |
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jimlup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Well if so then ... |
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Skip_In_Boulder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. GOP win, not going to happen |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 04:31 AM Response to Reply #16 |
44. Full Nazi? |
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russspeakeasy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #44 |
78. Thanks for the memory.. |
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2banon (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. they're all owned. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. Give me an example of "extreme whipsawing of political fervor", please. nm |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 05:23 AM Response to Reply #15 |
46. not hardly |
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Xtraneous (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. Like he says, these things create an unpredictable centrifugal force... |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 12:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
37. If this movement can get the police officers on their side |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 04:29 AM Response to Reply #4 |
43. OWS is our only hope. |
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russspeakeasy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #43 |
79. The "Democrats" are typical politicians..They are for themselves |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
5. I love all |
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Danse (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Beautiful. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
62. No kidding....I've been |
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socialindependocrat (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
8. We have been voting for people to represent us... |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #8 |
66. +1 Yes, let's reclaim the American dream but could we please hurry up.... |
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socialindependocrat (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #66 |
82. The elections are coming and |
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russspeakeasy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #8 |
80. If they try to teach this in high school, their funds would be cut. |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
9. He is so authentic, so wise and so RIGHT... |
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rbnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. + 1 |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
91. Chris Hedges has provided an historical fact that all social |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
10. They've got to win now or else. |
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Voice for Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I think there is no turning back with this now. |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
12. "It's not about me anymore. It's about the next generation. Our children.". |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
13. To call MoveOn "reprehensible" is extreme. And if OWS doesn't figure out a way to affect real change |
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Skip_In_Boulder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Wake up! |
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bengalherder (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Blood was shed in the streets for all those movements to get noticed by the electorate. |
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vanbean (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #21 |
72. Great Point!!! |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 05:47 AM Response to Reply #13 |
47. They have real goals. How long did it take all those movements |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 07:07 AM Response to Reply #13 |
50. Politicians don't pay attention to social movements or run on their issues -until they have gained |
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Slit Skirt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 08:06 AM Response to Reply #13 |
55. Yes, it is wrong to call MoveOn irrehensible |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #55 |
67. "Irrehensible?" |
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vanbean (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #67 |
74. Thanks for the morning laugh. |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #55 |
68. Chris Hedges isn't part of the 1%. He's not trying to create a circular firing squad. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #55 |
69. As long as Moveon stays in the background |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 03:50 AM Response to Reply #69 |
105. Beautiful, passionate voice. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 07:59 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Thank you |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
110. Very well said. Thank you. n/t |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
84. Exactly right. King marched to get legislation passed . . . not just to march. nt |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
89. Agree. I'm a MoveOn.org member and chair of my local DTC AND |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
17. It's satisfying to see him in his element as it comes to fruition. |
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UnrepentantLiberal (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
23. Great! I love Chris Hedges. |
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xiamiam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
24. yes,,everything he said ..and the emotion as well..i'm right there in my gut feeling about this. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
28. Very eloquent and moving. How I hope he is right. REC. nt |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
30. K & R! Yeah baby! |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
34. Don't give two shits what he says about MoveOn... |
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pmorlan1 (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
35. Stay Strong |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
38. Thank you... K&R |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
39. Anyone else noticing how the "We Are the 99%!" chant syncs up with |
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Fokker Trip (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 02:34 AM Response to Original message |
41. Seeing him smile gives me hope. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 04:19 AM Response to Original message |
42. Like Chis, I could cry. |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 05:18 AM Response to Original message |
45. the foot soldiers of the elite |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
48. OWS will need the Democratic Party to... |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 07:16 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. If this goes as I hope, the OWS movement will swallow the Democratic Party whole. n/t |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 08:31 AM Response to Reply #48 |
58. Sure. So we can elect Ds like Cuomo - who'd rather lay off teachers |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 09:09 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. BIngo. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #48 |
76. The Democratic Party must be willing to subvert itself to the collective |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #76 |
93. It does not matter how amny we have if... |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #93 |
102. We haven't had their ear or their votes in decades |
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mntleo2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
52. Mr Hedges Says An Important Thing About Leadership: |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
88. Amen to what you said, Cat. |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #52 |
111. Well said. Thank you! |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
56. Powerful. I agree with everything he said. |
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mother earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
63. A new day is here, as cynical as everyone has become, that |
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LittleGirl (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
70. thank you for posting this |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
71. Excellent information. OWS faces a threat of being co-opted... |
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dadzilla (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
73. By and large, I buy what he's selling |
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pam4water (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
81. It's more like the majority stayed passive until it was their livelihoods and homes on the line. |
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Dont call me Shirley (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
85. You, Chris, helped to inform us, thank you! |
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sonias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
90. Wow |
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yoyossarian (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
95. Simply LOVELY! |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
97. K&R n/t |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
98. Excellent comments by Chris Hedges |
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Hestia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
101. My ire towards MoveOn.org is they were part of the group that took public option of healthcare |
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MadAsHellInAmerica (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
109. Hedges is really great! |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
112. Really beautiful. So well said. I share his admiration for the new style of democracy. |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
114. A kick for Hedges. |
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CHOCOLATMIMOSA (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
115. Very good - except he's wrong about unions |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
116. kick |
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