John Edwards: The Politics of Parsing

[jsamuel]

Run time: 01:23 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggO5yY7RAo   Posted on YouTube: November 02, 2007 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: November 02, 2007 By DU Member: jsamuel Views on DU: 4422

 
Tim Russert? John Edwards? or Doubletalk?

[benny05]

1. Clinton's New Double Talk Express

I'd sure like a straight answer out of her.

[MethuenProgressive]

29. ""Paid for by John Edwards for President" - Your tax dollars at work...

In "Karl Rove Attack Ad 101" little Johnny gets an C-.

[Dave From Canada]

31. It's not an attack ad. It's just Hillary talking. She digs the hole for herself.

Maybe if she grew a spine and actually took positions on issues, she wouldn't have that problem. What a concept.

[MethuenProgressive]

39. The high point of the Edwards campaign is someone else saying something?

That's pretty a pretty low goal to meet, especially for all the endzone celebrating he's been doing.

[zazzle]

46. The Real Hillary was on display this week - and got caught with her pantsuit down

[JMDEM]

48. And that's a pretty low blow to try to land

Edwards has been very vocal on HIS positions. Have some more Clint-Aid to drink.

[JMDEM]

47. Our tax dollars at work?

Exactly what public position does John Edwards currently hold?

[venable]

59. you can't be serious

one- what in the world does this have to do with karl rove? rove never relied on actual facts, actual utterances.

two- this is an A+, as evidenced by the terrific, revelatory reactions

three- your attempt to call opponents of HRC right wing is laughable. You are obfuscating and punching at air.


you really need a new line of attack. this one is not working.

[Atman]

2. Did you see the fine print at that end?

"Paid for by John Edwards for President"

Good one, John! She's got to be taken out at the knees.

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[be inspired]

3. Wish it weren't so true.

Sadly, it is. Glad John Edwards is calling her on it!

[pioneer111]

10. The truth is funnier than a script - and it hurts.

This is not what we need from a presidential candidate - it is sad that she is the front runner.
She would be destroyed in the general election with this approach.

Go, Johnnie. Go!!!!!

[BruceMcF]

32. If you want to support it ... get on youtube ...

... comment, favorite, rate it, and comment again. Get an argument going with someone, to generate additional comments.

Its already zooming up the honors list among News and Politics, and looks like it may break out into the overall daily and weekly honors lists:

As of 4:30
#1 - Most Viewed (Today) - News & Politics
#4 - Top Rated (Today) - News & Politics
#12 - Most Discussed (Today) - News & Politics
#2 - Top Favorites (Today) - News & Politics

It is on the front page of most of the News and Politics honors lists ... and the discussion is picking up pace ... it was down around #40 at 1:30.

#43 - Top Rated (This Week) - News & Politics

#32 - Most Viewed (Today)
#50 - Top Rated (Today)
#32 - Top Favorites (Today)

... and it is moving toward the front pages of the overall lists.

[Blackhatjack]

4. Oh boy, now Edwards has done it. He dares to show Clinton duplicity...K&R

[Inspired]

5. All in the course of one debate. Wow. n/t

[Ninga]

6. Hillary is very good at this non-committal stuff.

[info being]

24. No...good at it is nobody notices

She's transparently doing it.

[rateyes]

7. Great video. But, isn't he implying that she "waffles" on the issues?

That can get you in trouble around here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2182468

I hope this commercial runs all over the country.

:kick: and R

[waiting for hope]

8. The great thing is -

it can all be laid at her feet and there is no one else to blame here.

K&R!

[jsamuel]

9. exactly

herself and her campaign

[liberal N proud]

11. After watching her in that debate...

How can anyone support her? She says nothing agrees to nothing and stands for nothing.

[Broke Dad]

12. Slick Hilly . . .

Show me some more! Show me some more!

Bad doggy! Bad doggy!

HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

Go Johnny Go! Go Johnny Go!

ABC!

ABC!

ABC!

[JMDEM]

49. It must be the Clint-Aid they are drinking. NT

[lateo]

61. She doesn't have the charisma Bill used to charm the voters.

He could get away with this sort of double-speak but she is failing miserably at it.

[Yael]

13. That is hilarious if not painful to watch

love the musical selection!

[rateyes]

19. Hey, I didn't think about that...

A waltz is perfect background music. Dancing around the issues. Someone really put some thought behind that. And, isn't that "Flight of the Bumble Bee?" :rofl: That might be a good song for her campaign theme, since bumblebees are all over the place when they fly.

[NoFederales]

54. Do you remember that old Kissinger cartoon? He is a bee bzzzing

in dizzying loops all about being busy, busy, busy....as a bee. Bee-ing too busy because you are busy is not a good thing--unless you are communicating with fools who will believe you.

NoFederales

[rateyes]

58. No. I don't remember that one...

but, there is a lot of things about that POS that I want to forget.

[antigop]

66. It's the "Blue Danube Waltz" n/t

[Quixote1818]

14. That is a Devistating ad! Major damage for Clinton.

Clinton's performance was about as bad as it gets!

[Plisko]

15. Edwards is my man at this point.

I know . . he's another white guy. . . but he's the good kind as far as I can see and the Republicans are really scared to run against him because he kills them all in the polls. He also seems to have a really good spirit about things.

I think Hilliary is the front runner because the media keeps saying she is. Hopefully the internet will save us from that this time around. These people have had a death grip on public opinion for a long time and it is time to put an end to it.

[zazzle]

50. Edwards is my man too!

Obama isn't ready for prime time - and won't win the nomination. But it appears his supporters think a 2 year senator would waltz into the White House cause he has a lot of money from Obama Girls.
<sigh>
I keep hearing Edwards/Obama from Bill Maher, Rep. Mel Watts, and others.
Hopefully people will wake up!!!!!!!

[Quixote1818]

16. Probably 60% or so of Hillary's support is soft, meaning her performance

may cause her to drop like a rock.

[King Coal]

17. But, but, WP hasn't taken sides yet.

:rofl:

[Catchawave]

18. Seems she won't make a position statement until

she's officially nominated ? How is she so far ahead in the polls then?

[Common Sense Party]

20. Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.

I don't like Edwards, but his campaign nailed this one.

This ad will be talked about for years to come.

I don't think it's enough to stop the Hillary juggernaut, but it's an enjoyable speed bump.

[info being]

26. It's enough.

[Common Sense Party]

28. I highly doubt it. The American public is so desensitized to

insincere, flip-flopping, spineless politicians--from all political stripes--that I don't think they will be surprised by this.

It may put a small dent in her nationwide poll numbers, but only for a few weeks.

It will take more than that to slow down her momentum. Let's hope someone finds it.

[LSK]

30. dont need the American public, need the Iowa public

[FatDave]

37. From an Iowan's perspective

He's got a lot more support than is immediately apparent.

[Common Sense Party]

44. Who right now are solidly behind Hillary's...behind.

As a recovered Iowan, I'd like to think the Hawkeyes have more sense than that, but...We'll have to see if they care that she's a weathervane.

[Plucketeer]

21. Go GO!

Go Johnny Go! Go Go - Go Johnny Go Go Go - Johnny be good! :radio: :applause: :headbang:

:kick:

[Divine Discontent]

22. LOLOL

seriously...

if this debate was what any voter had to go on, one would think she does this kinda of double talk (cough) all the time. Her numbers would be Doddian, who rightfully pointed out the mess that would ensue with 3 different ID for different uses...

HILLARY YOU FUMBLED! John picked the ball up with a block by Dodd, and a touchdown was scored - add 2-4 points to your Iowa lead with that one! Ouch Hill, please don't do so badly again, because if you are our nominee, I don't want to have to turn off the debates during the G.E., shaking my head!

In '04 I didn't have to turn off the debates, that's why it was so close and why they had to cheat in Ohio to keep W in with the help of the Ohio for Bush campaign head also being the guy overseeing the election process (never will that make sense).

If she gives this performance in a debate, we won't be staying up late on election night, well, at least I won't.

[waiting for hope]

38. It's going to be great seeing Edwards

taking on Rudy, Fred, Mitt (that one would be really fun) and/or McCain. His trail lawyer experience would rip them all apart...I can hear it now:

Rudy: "But, but, but 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11..."

Fred: "Where's my script?"

Mitt: "But I said that three weeks ago, and I'm saying this now, what a minute, what did I say?"

McCain: "I swear it, it is the Straight Talk Express, and where's Jerry? I Need Jerry!"

Need I say more?

[ljm2002]

23. Yeee-oowwch!

That is one one-the-mark political ad -- and Clinton's gotta be smarting.

[info being]

25. But, and a very important but....

...any Democrat supported primarily by Corporate power (a Corporate Democrat) *has* to take such morally and logically indefensible positions. It is the necessary road they have chosen. John Kerry did it, Hillary does it, Obama does it to an extent. They have to sell us an agenda that is not in our interests! That requires manipulation and dishonesty. Period.

We, as a people, have to decide whether we will continue to put up with this crap.

[Mojambo]

27. That's one of the more devastating ads I've seen this primary season.

That's two Home run ads from Edwards in the last two days.

One positive one and one "attack" ad.

He's got some good people putting these together.

[JohnLocke]

33. K&R!

[indimuse]

34. EDIT!!

cut and paste cut and paste cut and paste cut and paste cut and paste cut and paste cut and paste...........Amazing what an editing tool can do. WON'T WORK. Explain how Hedge Fund Honey BOY is taken seriously when he has NOT voted on ANYTHING in years. What is that? Is this the best you got? How many YEARS have you been campaining... what % are you? I FORGOT!!!

[Mnpaul]

45. Hedge fund honey boy?

You must mean hedge fund honey girl

Hillary - $970,900

Edwards - $254,065
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=F27

[lateo]

62. Pretty weak attempt at a trolling.

Low post Hillbill supporter flaming Edwards and not providing any refutation of what Hillary said.

[me b zola]

35. Very well done.

Edwards has some serious talent working for him, the kind that can win the nomination and general election.

I'm backing Dennis in the primaries, but if Edwards wins the nomination there'll be no gnashing of the teeth from me. Good job, John. :thumbsup:

[bagrman]

36. Please Please Please . Give us someone else.

[Vattel]

40. Does anyone here

really think Clinton expressed inconsistent positions on Iraq? She obviously made it very clear that she wants to end the war, with the qualification that we would continue to use troops for training and protecting the embassy. She also left open the possibility of operations against Al Qaeda in Iraq, which seems to me to be perfectly reasonable. Does Edwards intend to leave our embassy in Iraq unguarded, ot to stop training Iraqi troops, or to abandon all military operations against terrorists? If so, I don't want to vote for him.
Edwards should worry more about his own accuracy. He falsely claimed that Clinton "said in our last debate that she was against any changes to social security?" And then he worried about the inconsistency between that and her later private remark that she would consider Edwards idea about raising the caps. What she actually said in the debate to which Edwards referred was that she wanted to move towards fiscal responsibility before making any changes, then create a bipartisan commission on the issue and then "look in the context of fiscal responsibility and of a bipartisan commission see what else might be done." Only an idiot like Russert would see any inconsistency here. She has a plan, she is not yet committed to any specific changes, she thinks specific changes should be avoided until fiscal responsibility is resotred, and she is open to a variety of possible changes once fiscal responsibility is restored. Where is the inconsistency?

[Quixote1818]

41. Training Iraqi troops is a waste of time and lives

Thats where the problem is. She is basically suggesting we continue Bush's plan.

[JMDEM]

51. Regarding a few troops left behind...

How well do you think they would fare? We have 130,000 troops there, plus about 100,000 mercenaries, plus the air force (navy air and air force). What do you think would happen if we left about 20,000 behind and pulled most air cover? What would happen is that they would get creamed, then we would launch an all-out attack to exact revenge, and boom -- we're right back in Iraq in full force.

Her comments ASSUME that we somehow retain control of Iraq. How are we going to do that with a drastically reduced force?

Regarding her Social Security plan -- basically she says she will wait for fiscal responsibility to stabilize the monetary situation, then figure out what to do from there. That's a plan? Well, I guess it's sort of a plan. A little plan. A vague plan.

[Vattel]

52. OMG

She is evil! Her plan isn't specific enough to justify her calling it specific. The American people are tired of this sort of doubletalk and dishonesty! (end sarcasm) I'm not an expert, but I am inclined to agree with Greenspan that there is no social security crisis. So I like Clinton's little plan. It's medicare that is the real problem (according to Greenspan). As for Iraq, your predictions may be true. I wish you had been the moderator instead of Russert the garbage eater. You might have asked the following intelligent question to each candidate: "What would you do if your plans for withdrawal led to things falling apart in Iraq?" My only point is that I don't see the sort of dishonesty in Clinton's answers that this little video is supposed to reveal. And I'm worried that this sort of nonsense will produce a repeat of 2000 when the MSM relentlessly lied about Gore to make it seem like he was a liar.

[creeksneakers2]

57. Social Security was Hillary's best answer

There is, as Hillary bravely pointed out, no crisis with Social Security. We have a debt problem. We have two types of debt. Debt owed to the government like bonds sold by the SSA and private debt.

The advocates of cutting social security point toward large payments future taxpayers will have to make to pay off the bonds SS holds. Those same taxpayers will also have to pay off the GOP private national debt which will be well over $10 trillion by then. If the objective is to lower the tax burden on future taxpayers, we could accomplish that just as well or better by lowering the load of debt outside SS. That was the Clinton formula in the 90s and balanced budgets would have achieved that had Bush not raided the treasury. At the rate revenues were growing, we would have paid off the entire national debt by now. It would have then been easier for future taxpayers to pay off SS.

[BootinUp]

64. Its amazing that Democrats

are attacking her answer on SS. Fucking amazing.

[creeksneakers2]

56. Hillary's opponents are trying to make her compete

under a harsher set of rules than everybody else. They won't give her room to take into account that there are unknowns about the future. They won't allow her to hold the liberal view that some things aren't black and white.

The good news is that this won't help Edwards. Out of desperation Edwards has gone negative and its apparent that he doesn't care about fairness. His numbers will just go down even more. The bad news is that once this set of rules is established for Hillary the same unfair rules will follow her into the general election. The GOP candidate won't be held to these rules at all.

[usregimechange]

42. kick

[Kurovski]

43. Ah Strauss, I don't care if he pandered to the elite,

I loves me some waltz.

K&R.

[cleveramerican]

53. Brilliant bit of political TV

[creeksneakers2]

55. Is nuance not allowed by the left now?

I thought that was a right wing rule.

[lateo]

63. That isn't nuance that is called lying.

[creeksneakers2]

65. There are no lies.

If you need it explained, respond.

[lateo]

67. Ah I see...

No lies because if you believe it to be true it isn't a lie.

[creeksneakers2]

68. No, you don't see.

You were lying about that.

[lateo]

69. Your troll fu is weak.

-1

[Evergreen Emerald]

60. Wow--what a bunch of hogwash designed for those unwilling to look past the hype

Iraq for example: how was that double talk? Her position is the same as Edwards. He has said in the past he would have troops there. He is being disingenuous. And people on DU are just buying it without even thinking.

We are doomed of our best buys this stuff.

[eleny]

70. Just watched this on Hardball

[Apollo11]

71. Is it fair to criticize Hillary on her opinion of the Spitzer plan?

I don't think Hillary contradicted herself on the drivers license issue.

I think she is saying something very similar to what John Edwards said on This Week.

But I do think it's fair to point to Hillary's inconsistent statements on US troops in Iraq.

[Exultant Democracy]

72. This is a great video.