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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 04:04 PM
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Philip Zelikow, the author of PNAC
 
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The author of PNAC who also served as the Executive Director of the 9/11 commission.

In 1998, Philip Zelikow published an article in Foreign Affairs, the journal of the Council on Foreign Relations, entitled CATASTROPHIC TERRORISM: Imagining the Transformative Event. Nearly two years later, PNAC picked up the CFR-Zelikow language, saying that the desired transformation "is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor..."

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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 04:14 PM
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1. The video is very hard to follow as it pauses every few seconds
...I'm not sure why that is happening
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 04:16 PM
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2. That is not happening for me
It's playing fine
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 04:24 PM
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3. Part 2

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuoQZkBFj9A


The author of both PNAC and the 9/11 Commission Report, responds to a couple of uncensored questions August 9, 2007 at Chautauqua Institution. Question 1 comes from Paul Zarembka, editor of The Hidden History of 9-11-2001. Professor Zarembka, State University of New York at Buffalo (Economics Dept), asks Zelikow why he failed to investigate reports of several of the so-called hijackers alive and protesting their non-involvement. Then yor yevrah of snowshoefilms asks Zelikow about Building 7. Zelikow says he doesn't accept the hypothesis that any buildings were brought down by controlled demolition.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 07:01 PM
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7. Wrong link
part 2:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XQWBQKsqBU&feature=related
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 04:24 PM
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4. A most interesting watch indeed.... I imagine that there are many of us out here...
Edited on Sun Dec-02-07 04:28 PM by LakeSamish706
that don't for one minute believe the reported version of 911!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 11:26 AM
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12. they covered up the whole incident, and apparently
they did not care how many people died in those events, they are proving it now, in how this invasion is still going on in Iraq.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 04:33 PM
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5. K&R!
rec., rec., rec.!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 06:21 PM
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6. HR 1955/ HR 1959 includes criminalizing thoughts re 9-11
Edited on Sun Dec-02-07 06:22 PM by EVDebs
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20071103120044679

NON-VIOLENT dissent is a target of this bill:

"Of course all of my criticism is toothless without acknowledging the ‘vaguely defined forms of dissent.’ At this point you may be wondering to what kinds of dissent I refer. Here is where it is important to look back at the frightening definitions about which so many are now talking. In section 899A the terms included in the bill’s title are defined. ‘Violent Radicalization’ is defined as “the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.” This ‘process’ is based on a fallacy to begin with, considering that it makes no sense to adopt a belief system in order to facilitate violence based on that ideology, that one has yet to adopt. If you don’t believe in the ‘ideologically based violence’ your ‘belief system’ dictates then you can’t be said to have that as your motive to adopt the ‘belief system.’ You haven’t adopted the ‘belief system’ that guided you to commit the violence if the violence is the motive for ‘adopting’ the ‘belief system,’ it isn’t logically possible. This fallacy is implicit, in my opinion, in the phrase ‘for the purpose of.’ It is impossible for the violence to lead to the beliefs that lead to the violence without contradicting the premise that the beliefs lead to the violence.

Fallacies aside, the real threat I noticed is in the way the bill then further defines ‘ideologically based violence.’ This type of violence, given its definition, may not always be what we traditionally think of as violence.

It is defined not only as physically noticeable violence, but also thinking about and/or threatening to use not only violence, but WHATEVER ELSE they can interpret as a type of force as well. The vague language includes “planned use” and “threatened use, of force or violence.” This can semantically expand the legal understanding of the definition of ‘violence’ to include NON-VIOLENT FORMS OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE OR DIRECT ACTION because they are seen as forceful. The bill doesn’t say that force and violence must both be present in order to define it as ‘ideologically based violence,’ rather it uses the conjunction “or,” leaving open the possibility of defining either ‘force’ or actual ‘violence’ as ‘ideologically based violence,’ and “Homegrown Terrorism” if it is done by “a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States,” including U.S. zones of jurisdiction outside the 50 states, “to intimidate or coerce,” according to the similarly vague definition of ‘homegrown terrorism’ on the same page."


Fallacies aside, the real threat I noticed is in the way the bill then further defines ‘ideologically based violence.’ This type of violence, given its definition, may not always be what we traditionally think of as violence. It is defined not only as physically noticeable violence, but also thinking about and/or threatening to use not only violence, but WHATEVER ELSE they can interpret as a type of force as well. The vague language includes “planned use” and “threatened use, of force or violence.” This can semantically expand the legal understanding of the definition of ‘violence’ to include NON-VIOLENT FORMS OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE OR DIRECT ACTION because they are seen as forceful. The bill doesn’t say that force and violence must both be present in order to define it as ‘ideologically based violence,’ rather it uses the conjunction “or,” leaving open the possibility of defining either ‘force’ or actual ‘violence’ as ‘ideologically based violence,’ and “Homegrown Terrorism” if it is done by “a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States,” including U.S. zones of jurisdiction outside the 50 states, “to intimidate or coerce,” according to the similarly vague definition of ‘homegrown terrorism’ on the same page."

So just thinking that the government had a hand in the 9-11 inside job can end up getting you put on a terrorist list for special treatment. The Jersey Girl's 9-11 Press For Truth movement is now in danger.

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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 03:59 PM
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14. I wonder if this could be used against Zelikow?

What could be more of a violent thought crime than "imagining a transformative event"? Not that anyone in the current administration would even blink an eye, but it would provide tremendous fuel for voluminous (and presumably legal) posting of information further identifying neocons as treasonous criminals.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 04:54 PM
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15. Indeed. Any more 'New Pearl Harbors' up their sleeves ? nt
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:16 PM
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17. HR 1955 is now in the Senate as S 1959. Protest it with PDA's weblink
Click onto 'Stop the Police State Bill'

http://capwiz.com/pdamerica/
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 07:23 PM
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8. This needs to be on the greatest for PNAC exposure alone
and for shedding light on the murky waters called 9/11.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:11 AM
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11. .
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-02-07 11:05 PM
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9. Investigate!
Zelikow is an accessory to murder. People better wake up. :grr:
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 04:54 AM
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10. Zelikow sounds like another name for Satan
Kinda looks like him too
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 07:27 PM
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20. looks like Satan too
especially when he smirks while answering questions about 9/11.

...someone needs to ask him about PNAC and him being the author of it.

I'd like to hear Zelikow describe to us what PNAC is, in his own words, live on the air!
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 03:02 PM
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13. K & R. Thanks for posting this. nt.
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:00 PM
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16. Damn, his relationship to PNAC is even more incestuous than I thought.
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jph wacheski Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 05:37 PM
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18. Philip Zelokow - anti-human filth,. PNAC pulled 9/11 more proof is found every day,.
Well yes this is THE issue that the Cheney Junta has been sailing on,. through TWO stolen elections. 9/11 the day that changed EVERYTHING! The facts just don't add up for the Official Conspiracy Theory. Building 7 ( WTC7.net ) was the one that really got me looking back into 9/11,. I have NO idea how anyone can watch the videos of this steel-framed 47 floor building, just falling into itself,. My theory is that it was meant to happen as the other two where still kicking up dust,. however something went wrong,. the problem was they already had the building wired to blow, so they fixed the problem and went ahead an pulled it,. this created the biggest smoking gun of the many videos clearly showing it to be a very controlled demolition.
Zelikow seams to be right in the midst of the whole plot,. having theorized and written about just such an event,. and concluded that it would be a great way to push through the shock capitalism and fascist agenda that we have seen from the PNAC cheney Junta., Just go read the PNAC reports and position papers that where published before 9/11,.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-03-07 06:36 PM
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19. I completely agree....
Everyone should go read "Rebuilding America's defenses" here. :hi:
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