Bill Clinton becomes heated over voter lawsuit

[BeyondGeography]

Run time: 04:09 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uthdea6X2PE   Posted on YouTube: January 17, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: January 17, 2008 By DU Member: BeyondGeography Views on DU: 2553

 

[gaiilonfong]

1. He is a disgace to the Democatic Party

behaving like that.....History will NOT be kind to him over this no matter who wins the nomination. Imagine if Poppy Bush did this during the primaries for Dumbya, thius place would have gone nuclear.
Former presidents don't behave like this, but of course...well....

[meegbear]

3. He should act more like Reagan

[gaiilonfong]

4. Did you get that quote from Taylor Marsh DLC operative?

Sure sounds like it....
When you Clinton shills can't counter with facts you use spin and propaganda to counter....
UNBELIEVABLE!

[Kittycat]

11. Just another note from the Rovian Playbook, KKKarl is letting them borrow.

[Windy]

14. Boy oh boy, talk about not understanding what someone said

He said that reagan brought in a new era in politics. He didnt say that it was a good change, but that it was a change in the political landscape.

What about what Obama said is untrue?

If obama wins the nomination and the presidency, it will be a new era also.

If clinton wins it will usher in a new era too...

Jesus, stop looking to divide the party!!!! This election is too important! Stick to the issues!!!

[CoffeeCat]

21. I think Obama is rolling out his comments strategically...

I saw what Obama did this with his comments he made about not being "A CEO".

I feel that he's baiting his opponents, in particular, Hillary.

He throws out a general statement that is easy low-hanging fruit for his competitors. He
makes the statement in a general sense, then banks on his opponents attacking and he comes
back with a more-detailed, reasonable extrapolation of his original statement that sounds
wonderful and reasonable. BAM! His opponents look like whiny, attack-dog jerks--and Obama
was just provided with a platform to look "above the fray".

I think it's brilliant from a political/PR perspective.

Look at his "I'm no CEO" comment. He made those comments several hours before a major debate!!
Just as planned, Hillary had her response talking points all crafted. She said that it was
important to run a bureaucracy and that an inability to do so---was why Bush was so awful. She
thought she had a zinger!

Obama is doing the same thing again. He made general, but vague statements about Reagan. Now, the
Clinton camp (like Pavlovian dogs) will salivate all over the comments and get their surrogates
to express their ire and their hysterical comebacks.

Then, Obama will part the curtain, stand at the microphone and calmly state that he believes that Reagan
ushered in a new era of politics and was the inspirational leader who moved an entire nation into a new
paradigm. Obama will say, ...I want to be that kind of President on the Democratic side, fostering a
movement of hope, change, economic growth, ending the war, etc.

Obama will look poised, rational and like he was just attacked---and the attackers will look foolish.

I like it.

[Tellurian]

40. Thats what you think.. The fact that Obama would even consider using Reagan's

name in a campaign speech sent shock waves of horror and disbelief throughout Democratic enclaves.

Get a grip! People aren't as stupid as you seem to think and as easily duped by a smile and Gomer Pylesque Politics.

[CoffeeCat]

44. Here's the thing...

Obama never said that he agreed with Reagan's policies.

He said that Reagan was able to create a major shift in American politics, and
change course.

He's talking about the IMPACT of a President, not his platform.

That is why I still believe that Obama will further explain---after all of the
yip dogs are finished expressing their outrage and ill-informed opinions.

Do you not think that Obama understood what his comments would do?

People are having a knee-jerk reaction to what he said. It's almost certain
that this is what happens, because the public in general is so reactionary
and so hysterical these days. A person can count on it.

We'll see a more detailed explanation, and Obama will end up looking like
the winner.

Those who want to pain this as Obama's endorsement of Reagan and Reagan's
agenda have an agenda or they have a listening issue--or both.

[Mags]

9. Maybe he should have cried like Poppy Bush did

and had to leave the stage ,while talking about his boys. Guess History would be kinder to him.

[ursi]

2. Bill really, really, really wants to move back into the White House!

[ORDagnabbit]

5. considering he's part of the system why would you expect anything less?

[berni_mccoy]

6. Heated because they are going to lose the lawsuit HE BROUGHT against Nevada

And only because they are going to lose.

[Evergreen Emerald]

7. What an overblown story. I did not see him "heated"

Dang the media spins, the lemmings fall into place with their faux outrage. Clinton was a great president. The ugliness on DU to so easily condemn the democrat's best makes me really wonder what your agendas are.

[rAVES]

13. Yea... Overblown... an afront to democracy is all it is.. we should be use to it by now

:eyes:

[karynnj]

38. Come on

I admit that Clinton was a spell binding charismatic person, who was able to make people like him, even when they knew better. I remember the great job he did giving the SOTU a few days after the Lewinsky mess broke. He was incredible. To do that in the midst of what had to be a strange time behind the scenes was unexpected by the media and impressive.

But you have to concede this is not Bill Clinton at his best. The weight of the vote is not 5 times higher, it will depend on the number of people who caucus in each place. The other question it raises is that it might have been more appropriate had the suit addressed the weights - if that was the problem, rather than working to suppress the vote.

Here he looks angry, and like a bully to a local reporter who was likely intimidated by the Former President. This is not a one time occurrence. There was Chris Wallace, the time he spoke of swiftboating, when it wasn't, and "fairy tale." Thia is happening enough that it will make people see him differently.

[MsUnderstood]

41. he was a bully in the clip you saw

did you catch his first sentence "You asked with animosity so I'll respond in kind (yea i'm parahprasing"

Great how we can so easily fall into the trap of seeing only what we're told, hearing only what they want. . .its like animal farm "four legs good, for legs bad er no four legs better"

C'mon democrats bitched for 8 years that we need to "stand up and fight" then the moment someone does we through out these insults and grand statements?

[karynnj]

42. Some of the tapes showed the question asked

The Clinton campaign had said it was neutral. The reporter actually asked if the campaign would take a stronger position AGANIST the suit. Both the question and the tone did not seem to reflect animosity. I do realize that it could be edited, but there was more than one version from slightly different angles as I think multiple stations covered it.

Disenfranchising voters is not what we want Democrats to stand up for. Why didn't the suit target the formula, not the sites? Why did no one care for almost 10 months?

Clinton doesn't represent the wing of the party that has stood up to Bush. He fought those who did stand up.

[petepillow]

8. Oh I didn't think it was all that bad.

He has a strong opinion about something, he doesn't HAVE to be Mr. Congenial anymore, and he's speaking his mind. Maybe he has a point. Maybe it's a load of crap. I don't know. But it's a shame that every time Bill shows a little anger about something, ANYTHING, it's portrayed as a big fat hairy whiny deal. Personally, I like to see politicians let down their guard and have a feeling. Straying from the script is a bonus these days for us viewers at home.

:popcorn:

I am not a supporter of Hillary, but I do think that both of them have a place in the next administration. I'm sure John Edwards or Dennis Kucinich can utilize those Clinton strengths as the nation recovers from this 8 year trainwreck.

[Ishoutandscream2]

10. Wow, is that heated?

I'm sorry, but Bill's reaction is being overblown. Typical media - looking for any thing negative to go on Bill. No one has been a bigger asshole to the media than the Chimperor, and the MSM never portrays him in a negative light in his relations with them.

Way overblown, and typical Clinton hatred. And by the way, I am definitely no Hillary supporter. The MSM just loves to try to bring down Bill at every opportunity, and they will manufacture ways in which to do it.

[NavyDavy]

12. agreed and for Obama supporters to attack the Big Dog that

ways is bs sounds more and more like RW tactics to me...IMHO

[rAVES]

16. are you crazy? this crap stinks to high heavan.. I cant believe Hill supporters..

First its moaning about a recount then lauding the decision to exclude Dennis.. now its this shit... Do you just want your Candidate declared President so you can live in a fucking Dictatorship? (officially)

Unbefuckinglevable.

[flyarm]

27. well doesn't that tell you something?? that many in the dem party are not happy with the clintons?

and does that not concern you..in the least?

i knocked on doors in Iowa for Edwards and i can tell you this..the one constant over and over from door to door i heard is..it better not be Hillary or they won't vote.

people better think long and hard about that..there is no middle ground for folks who don't like Hillary..

and i can also tell you this,..at the caucus i worked ..for Edwards...there were 6 tables ( big ) for Edwards..one for Richardson , One for Biden, 2 for Hillary, and 5 for Obama..the Obama people stayed out in the hall and most 99% were very young..but the people there to vote for Hillary..were old women..

there was one man at her tables..1 ....and most were older women with their old mothers..i am talking 70+ in age.

Edwards/Richardson/Biden had almost all the men..working age men..and all white men.


so think about that when you are picking your candidate..

idealism will not win this election..

idealism will not win in the mid west..

idealism will not win in the south

idealism will not take back our white house from the neo cons!

fly

[BigD_95]

15. I agree

with Bill

[peoli]

17. Are the Clintons going to scream and yell their way into the white house?

[Rageneau]

18. Here's ANOTHER example of anti-Clinton bias in the MSM

This SOB reporter had made his mind up what his story was going to be before he asked WJC his question. And said so.

But then Big Dog turned the question around on him and handed him his ass.

Instead of being chagrined or embarrassed, as any true seeker of truth would have been, this "reporter" iwent on and bookended his WJC intervew with his prefabricated "spin" -- closing his segment with the same BS he started it with -- he explained nothing, interpreted nothing, clarified nothing, he just spun like a spider.

Why do these incompetent, half-wingnut, jackanape 'reporters' even bother to ask people questions, since they already know beforehand what story they intend to report?

[underpants]

30. I completely agree-Bill handed him his ass

I saw only the very last part and it was on Fox the leadin was that "Clinton got into the face of a local news reporter" :eyes: He was never heated he was cool as a cucumber as usual.

[Mithreal]

33. Sure looked that way to me too

[JTFrog]

19. No doubt he understood the rules. He just didn't think they would support someone else. n/t

[BeyondGeography]

20. The only thing I have to add is Bill looks increasingly stressed out and shitty

And I wonder how he would hold up over the next four years of unrelenting smear from the media and abuse from that half of the country that will never tolerate him and his wife. This campaign has been a walk in the park in comparison and he's not handling it well.

[Mithreal]

34. That's a ridiculous comment

Barack supporters are sounding increasingly "shitty" if you want to go there. So, any politician makes himself available to the people and when he or she doesn't look like they just walked out of a hairstylist or dressing room, you attack them for their appearance. Give me a break. Oh yeah, and let's vote for Barack because we are so concerned about the former President's health. Stop that.

My choice Kucinich, Edwards.

[BeyondGeography]

36. Clarification: I really don't care what happens to him healthwise

and his hair looks great. "Shitty" refers to demeanor, not appearance.

[Mithreal]

37. understood

[humbled_opinion]

22. Well what I expect...

If Hillary does happen to win... Repukes will harrass... harangue her and Bill endlessly looking for some garbage to impeach... and unlike our Milquetoast Congressional Democrats they will likely succeed so we will have a bunch of first.... First Woman POTUS... First former POTUS Spouse...and potentially first impeachment of a POTUS and their Spouse... What a mess.. This is seriously not the right time for Hillary... shame really...

[Yael]

23. Ah, the smell of schadenfreude is in the air this morning

:popcorn:

[mod mom]

24. Bill caught parsing the "5X" issue again, while reporter explains it.

Kkkarl must have slipped him some koolaid over at Bush's.

[flyarm]

25. this was the case in caucus's all over Iowa..so now the Clinton's just figured it out?

bullshit i say.,.

I worked a CAUCUS FOR EDWARDS, in Iowa..as did other volunteers..there wewre 384 people at my caucus..it was worth 9 state delegates...we met another caucus volunteer..who worked a cacus in Iowa who had 36 people at his caucus and that caucus was worth 15 delegates..

the Clintons and the dem party in Nevada knew this was the way it is done..they are full of shit and spin if they say otherwise!

they just never fathomed that Obama would get the nod from the Culinary folks!

or that Edwards would be so close in Nevada..

they are full of horseshit..


and do not even think many from SEIU won't caucus for Edwards..they have a long history..and those folks can't be bullshitted by corporate buyout candidates!

fly

[beachmom]

26. What utterly unpresidential behavior. I can't believe I ever liked that guy.

And lying about something that so easily could be fact checked.

[burythehatchet]

28. Its not that they lie, its that they lie with such ease.

[sb5697]

29. It's Obama's fault, he planted the reporter!

Just beating some of the pro-Clinton supporters (of which I am not one) to it.

[NorthCarolina]

31. Is It Just Me, or Does Clinton Look a Bit Frail in this Video?

his face looked a bit gaunt to me.

[peace13]

35. Frail but full of himself. n/t

[jefferson_dem]

32. When did Bill become a grumpy old ass?

Yuk.

[Veronica.Franco]

39. He has to support his wifey AND behave himself until after the election ...

Gettin' GRUMPY, poor baby .... :grr:

[Downtown Hound]

43. I would hardly call that heated

But he is being a dickhead. Change the rules when you don't like the outcome of a game. Weak and cowardly. I expect better from Democrats.