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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 06:12 AM
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Terror Plot Suspect WORKED For The CIA's Airline - That Was Used For "Extraordinary Renditions"
Edited on Mon Jun-04-07 06:52 AM by kpete
FROM: CANNONFIRE:

Monday, June 04, 2007
Terror plot suspect worked for the CIA's airline
The following may be the most important story I have ever written.


It's an incomplete story -- indeed, we have, at present, only about 50 pieces of a 500 piece jigsaw puzzle. Perhaps some of you can help find missing parts of the picture.

In a previous posthttp://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2007/06/more-on-jfk-airport-terror-plot.html , I argued that the "terrorist ring" led by Russell DeFreitas -- the man who had targeted JFK airport, where he once worked -- was actually a drug smuggling ring. Now we have a Newsday http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-nyterr035240989jun03,0,5385601.story?coll=ny-nynews-print piece on the bomb plot which functions as a sort of palimpsest: The surface text shows hints of a more important tale which lies beneath.

Authorities were tipped to the plot by a confidential informant, a convicted drug trafficker who has been working with law enforcement since 2004, according to the complaint....


The author of this piece does not ask the obvious question: Why was a drug trafficker tasked to get close to former baggage handler DeFreitas? The criminal complaint makes clear that DeFreitas vouched for this drug trafficker to his contacts in the Caribbean criminal underworld.

.................. I did discover a genuinely astounding connection.


Defreitas was hired by a cargo transportation company at Kennedy Airport, Watts said. Documents show he was employed as a "trainee supervisor" in 2001 with Evergreen Eagle, a subsidiary of Oregon-based Evergreen International Aviation. Officials there declined to comment.http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-liprof0604,0,7416105.story?coll=ny-main-breakingnewslinks


When in 2001? After September 11? More to the point, was he a baggage handler or a supervisor?

All of this is of no small importance, for one simple reason:

Evergreen is CIA.


..............

Evergreen aircraft have, it seems, been used for "extraordinary renditions" (the transport of captured prisoners for torture)

much, much more at:
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2007/06/terror-plot-suspect-worked-for-cias.html
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 06:18 AM
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1. Evergreen is also just a cargo company; not to throw cold water
on this, but sometimes, things can be taken at face value.

http://www.evergreenaviation.com/EIA/customers.html

Customers

Air Mobility Command
UTI Worldwide
Hellman Worldwide Logistics
Nippon Express
EXEL
Shanghai Zhong Chuang
Beijing Teng Chang
AIRInc. - USA
UPS
British Airways Cargo
Alitalia Cargo
Swiss Cargo
Lufthansa Cargo
Eagle Global Logistics
UPS Supply Chain Solutions
Chapman Freeborn
Kintetsu Worldwide
Air Sea Brokers
Airline Cargo Services
Bax Global
ANA Cargo
Airtropolis
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 09:16 AM
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2. Well, of course, they have a pretty face.
Plenty of links at cannonfire backing this up. Here's one:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Evergreen_International_Aviation%2C_Inc.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:00 AM
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6. Appearances and legitimate companies may contain a whole other world babylonsister
take a little time to research some of those "customers" on that list.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 03:32 PM
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20. Here's an example "AIR Inc-USA" -note the name changes and private equity
outfits involved (like The Carlyle Group) in the public bios of M2 Transportation Services Management.
http://www.airinc-usa.com/about-bios.php

Now some might argue that I didn't check out the "correct" AIR Inc-USA, but look at the address on the hyper-link, www.airinc-usa.com--what a "coincidence", not.





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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 03:16 PM
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16. yeah, and brewster jennings is also just a "legal services office"..
:rofl:
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 09:53 AM
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3. More on Evergreen from FromTheWilderness.com
Evergreen shows up twice in "A Witness List for House Hearings on Volume II of the CIA's Inspector General's Report on CIA Drug Trafficking"

* Evergreen Air - the mother of all CIA proprietary airlines and air operations since the demise of Air America

* Roy Reagan - Aircraft broker, longtime CIA associate convicted in 1998 of defrauding the government in a scheme to steal C-130's from the Forest Service, move them through CIA proprietary Evergreen Air facilities and into the drug trade. Some C-130's moved through Mena, AK. Most turned up overseas doing anything but fighting fires.

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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 10:02 AM
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4. And a little PR puff-piece on Evergreen
AIRLINE WTH AN ATTITUDE: A Special Report on Evergreen Aviation

By DAVID BATES
Of the News-Register


Evergreen International Aviation has an attitude. It starts at the company's front door with a muscular symbol of U.S. military might - an F-15 fighter jet mounted in spectacular fashion near the center of Evergreen's campus on Three Mile Lane.

It continues in the executive building's spacious lobby, decorated with American flags and imagery of the country's most prestigious, no-nonsense bird, the eagle.

It extends all the way into the office of Tim Wahlberg, a former helicopter mechanic turned company president. On display is a framed quotation by Hannibal, the brilliant Carthaginian general who whipped the Roman army in 217 B.C. by hauling 40,000 troops and a contingent of elephants across the Alps during winter: "We will either find a way, or we will make one."

Wahlberg's day often begins on a cell phone as he drives to work in the early morning, arriving about the same time as Del Smith, the company's founder and board chairman.

"For management, it's starting in meetings at 7 o'clock in the morning, so you probably show up around 6:30," said Wahlberg, describing a typical day at the campus where some 500 employees work. "We probably wrap up around 6:30 or 7 o'clock every night. We work on Saturdays about half days, and if we're in the middle of a big project, we forget about Saturdays and Sundays and work right through."

Whether it's the gung-ho patriotism reflected by the flags and eagles, the workaholism of its employees or the intense, hard-edge work environment former employees speak of, it defines Evergreen. A powerful work ethic and uncompromising can-do attitude have built the company.

"I sleep with one eye open," said Smith, who founded Evergreen in 1960 as a crop-dusting outfit. "Don't think you can get complacent. You gotta keep scrambling."


Gee, a crop dusting outfit in the 60s, you say? Gosh, that doesn't sound like CIA. Cough, cough.

To a large degree, Evergreen's fruits have come from doing the government's labor.

Officials estimate that, depending on the subsidiary, anywhere from 20 to 60 percent of Evergreen's contracts are with federal agencies. Customers include the Forest Service, Postal Service and Air Force.

Wahlberg ventures that about a fifth of the jobs at Evergreen's aircraft maintenance facility in Arizona arrive through public contracts. But then the Evergreen Air Center is one of only three facilities in the United States approved for all types of aircraft work.

Smith, a Republican who donates generously to like-minded congressional candidates, makes no secret of his fierce patriotism.

"If there's a need, we'll be there," he said. "The country doesn't have to ask. We'll volunteer. We're pledged to serve God and mankind."


Yes, serving God and mankind--two well-document arms of the Republican Party.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:04 AM
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7. "The country doesn't have to ask. We'll volunteer."
Yeah, sure, buddy. If the price is right. :eyes:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 03:21 PM
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17. More on Reagan and Evergreen here...
http://www.wiolawapress.com/mike.htm


...

The Scheme

Roy Reagan, no relation to Ronald, has a long and detailed history of connections to CIA and covert activities. In the 1980s he was linked both to Evergreen Air and a number of operations securing surplus helicopters and weapons for Contra support operations. Evergreen Air itself, during the contra era, has been documented as handling Contra military supplies, including weapons, which were loaded onto C-130s in Corpus Christi, Texas. One of Reagan's business partners, James Patrick Ross, who worked with Reagan in Reagan Enterprises out of their offices in Chico, California, was the same mechanic who signed off on a mechanical inspection of a C-123 named The Fat Lady which was later shot down over Nicaragua in 1986 while on a CIA mission. Only an ill-starred cargo handler named Eugene Hasenfus survived the shoot down. The Fat Lady's death and Hasenfus' survival triggered the Iran-Contra scandal. The Fat Lady had previously been the favorite personal airplane of Barry Seal.

...

Marine Col. Jim Sabow was murdered at his home on the El Toro Marine Air Station in January 1991. His death, ruled a suicide by the Navy and the Marine Corps, has left a brave family virtually destroyed. As opposed to the official military account that Sabow, despondent over pending disciplinary actions for minor offenses committed suicide, a lingering and persistent body of evidence indicates that Jim Sabow was murdered because he caught the CIA flying drugs onto a base where he was Chief of Air Operations. Much of the evidence indicates that the cocaine arrived on the same C-130s which had been given to the Forest Service.

In a 1993 segment of her news program Eye to Eye, Connie Chung covered the Sabow death in detail and showed evidence of the murder by introducing statements from Sabow's brother, a medical doctor, that Sabow had been unconscious and aspirating blood for minutes before a shotgun was rammed so far down his throat that it sheared off the uvula. In that same segment, veteran Air America and CIA pilot Tosh Plumley stated that he flew loads of cocaine as large as 2,000 kilos onto El Toro in the years and months prior to Sabow's death - for the CIA. Plumley stated clearly that he was flying C-130s operated by the Forest Service and their contractors. In later conversations with this writer Plumley admitted that he routinely flew loads as large as 2,500 kilos onto military installations in California and Arizona for the CIA.

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 10:47 AM
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5. Houston based Eagle Global Logistics has quite a bit of history
not good-starting with serious "ethical" problems (they discriminated against women and minorities) to war profiteering and criminal charges
KBR subcontracted to them regularly-and they call logistics supporting the troops

EGL links
from U of Pittsburgh Law School
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/currentawareness/halliburton.php

Pratap Chatterjee (Corp Watch) profiled EGL last year
"Ports of Profit: Dubai Does Brisk War Business"
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0225-29.htm

IMPEACH CHENEY et al!!!

Btw, many of these "cargos" are black budget operations.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:09 AM
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8. Oh my.
We'll have to see if this goes anywhere, but this doesn't look right on it's face, this company has a mile long train of dirty CIA shit following wherever it goes.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 01:26 PM
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9. Kick
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 01:38 PM
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10. k&r
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 01:44 PM
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11. Sort of like Self Fulfilling Propaganda (pun intended)
The guy basically was a CIA operative then, planning a terrorist attack on the U.S. I wonder if this has happened before... hmmm, say around 2001?!?!

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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 01:47 PM
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12. The "coincidences" just never stop these days. recommended.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 01:57 PM
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13. I wonder if Viktor Bout's organization was involved in this a few years ago
Remember him? Here's a bit about Bout et al from the Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control/OFAC

http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/actions/20050426.shtml

Or, for that matter, Wally Hilliard?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 03:08 PM
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15. Why didn't the DoJ arrest CIA asset Jean Bernard Lasnaud when he lived in Florida?
Review this PBS Frontline World page and think about how this is related to real terrorism and illegal black operations right here-and how that goes back to Iran-Contra and many other criminal enterprises.

"Jean Bernard Lasnaud: South Florida's Elusive Arms Baron" from May 2002
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/sierraleone/lasnaud.html
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:14 PM
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14. So the CIA was involved with a potential terrorist plot in our own country?
False flag operation, perhaps?

Awesome investigation! K & R this all day long.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 03:24 PM
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19. What is a False flag operation? Please pander to the mentally
challenged!
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:20 PM
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24. Using the wrong flag for an attack
During the middle ages it was common to do some piracy on the side, however a ship was always sailing with a flag of the country to which it belonged. So if a British ship spotted a Spanish ship which was loaded with silver, it would lower the British flag and replace it with a German flag. The reason was that survivors of the attack would blame Germany and not Great Britain for the heist.

That was very common from the middle ages until the 17th century, however the world has grown up since then :sarcasm:
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:30 PM
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25. Well it sounds so intuitively obvious I could have guessed! Thanks
for the history lesson in human civility and our moral evolution! :sarcasm:!
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:36 PM
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27. Luckily it is officially forbidden by the Hague and Geneva conventions
The last false flag operation was the 1939 Gleiwitz incident which lead to the invasion of Poland by Nazi Germany. A radio station started to transmit that Poland should invade Germany and as a result Germany invaded Poland. From the Nuremberg trails we now know that Reinhard Heydrich and Heinrich Müller, the chief of the Gestapo, illegally sezied the radio station. The reason was that Germany need a reason to attack Poland, because you can't just declare war.

There are still persistent rumors that false flag operations are still very common, however that's like invading Iraq based on non-existing Weapons of Mass Destruction :sarcasm:
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:47 PM
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30. LOL! That's why we have to have these current criminals in
the WH eventually tried in the Hague!
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Malidictus Maximus Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 08:19 PM
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44. Or questioning exactly WHICH ships attacked at the Gulf of Tonkin.
:sarcasm:
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-05-07 06:14 AM
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49. How about Operation Gladio, much more recent than 1939,
and planned and organized this time by the "good" guys.

The Strategy of Tension
by Nafeez Ahmed

SNIP

The “strategy of tension” denotes a highly secretive series of interconnected covert operations conducted jointly by the CIA and MI6 largely in Western Europe during the this period. Well-documented by several respected historians, confirmed by official inquiries, and corroborated by former intelligence officials, the “strategy of tension” is one of those unsavoury moments in contemporary history that we don’t learn about in school, or even university.

My favourite book on the subject, and the most authoritative in my view, is Dr. Daniele Ganser’s NATO’s Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe (2004). Published in the UK as part of the “Contemporary Security Studies” series of London-based academic press Routledge, Ganser’s study is the first major historical work to bring the “strategy of tension” into the mainstream of scholarship.

During the Cold War, indeed through to the late 1980s, the United States, United Kingdom, and Western European governments and secret services, participated in a sophisticated NATO-backed operation to engineer terrorist attacks inside Western Europe, to be blamed on the Soviet Union. The objective was to galvanize public opinion against leftwing policies and parties, and ultimately to mobilize popular support for purportedly anti-Soviet policies at home and abroad – most of which were really designed to legitimize brutal military interventions against nationalist independence movements in the “Third World”.

Ganser was a Senior Researcher at the Center for Security Studies in the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich, before he moved to Basel University to teach history. Citing the transcripts of European parliamentary inquiries; the few secret documents that have been declassified; interviews with government, military and intelligence officials; and so on, Ganser shows how intimately the British were involved.

http://nafeez.blogspot.com/2007/05/strategy-of-tension.html

The BBC has aired a 3 part documentary on Operation Gladio which is available in streaming video on line if you google "BBC2 Operation Gladio."
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 03:22 PM
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18. I read this earlier, and can't quite grasp the sense of it. Was he
a drug dealer? Was this a set-up? Am I the only one who is confused? :wtf:?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 03:46 PM
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21. Set-up probability is high and rising on this developing story.
I'm biased, so I'll just state my belief, this was some kind of distraction away from the many investigations that lead directly into the White House.

What's different is that the fear doesn't work anymore-the truth is pouring out and so is the demand for accountability for crimes against humanity, war profiteering and treason.

:patriot:
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:33 PM
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26. I hope you are right bobthedrummer! .....n/t
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:08 PM
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47. A distraction?
It seems highly likely that the trail of breadcrumbs left here would raise a lot of alarms.

(smacks forehead)

Sorry, I lost my head there for a second. There won't be any further investigation, will there?
:banghead:
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 03:56 PM
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22. Terror suspects are always drug dealers
According to the official stories:

Mohammed Atta and the 18 drug dealing muslim pilots did 9/11
Maroccan drug dealers did the Madrid train bombings
Pakistani drug dealers did the London train bombings

and many more events have had drug dealers as the chief suspects.

That's the standard pattern and it's not just an American thing, it is always the drug dealers with Intelligence or police connections who get blamed as suspects.

You have to read about the intelligence and drug dealing because the two go hand in hand, however there are many different groups involved with the Cocaine Import Agency and this seems to be a standard operating procedure to get rid of a drug dealing cartel by blaming them for a terra plot.

He was in charge of baggage handling at JFK and working for a CIA front airline which according to the official investigation into extraordinary reason also did an extraordinary amount of flights to tiny Caribean island. (Were they transporting coke as well as Bill O'Reilly and Guatanamo Bay passengers?) Anyway you need to get the cargo through customs so it helps to have a baggage handler at JFK who knows what to check and what not to check. The point is how are you going to get rid off somebody like that?
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:40 PM
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28. Ah! Thank you. That makes sense. Blame him for a PHONY
terra plot and it's really about drug smuggling? Makes me feel so much more secure knowing how well we are lied to. Funny you should mention the Cocaine Import Agency and the C.I.A. I'm uninformed about the drug cartels and money laundering ...but the CIA has played a major role in the past and probably currently, no?
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:48 PM
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31. It is all documented at the Iran-Contra hearings
Sadly the press took no notice of it, however one of the main methods of funding Iran-Contra (the arms running to South America and Iran) was with the proceeds from cocaine. The flights from and to South America were dual purpose flights. Cocaine was flowing into the United States and the planes carried arms on their return trip to South America. The reason was that the operation was illegal and could not be financed by Congress, so drugs were the main reason for sourcing that operation.

The muhajedeen in Afghanistan were also financed from heroin and they used a similar heroin for arms scheme at that operation.

Hopsicker has documented the Venice operation which was were Mohammed Atta was learning to fly. From the wilderness is another great website with lots of information. It was started by Ruppert who was a former LAPD detective and who was frustrated that the CIA seems to play a leading role in the drug transport into the city and they were untouchable of course.

The drug cartels generally operate under intelligence protection, so the major drug operations tend to be a sort of joint venture between intelligence and organized crime.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:59 PM
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33. Yes, I've tried to read up on some of this, but frankly the evil
makes me so discouraged that I can't even begin to comprehend... All of the addicts that this has promoted, yet these are the 'family values' guys? Oh, GAG. "War on Drugs" was just a phony phrase without much basis in reality. I've just begun to study the 9/11 'conspiracy' theories, so I'll check out this "From the wilderness" website. This also fits into what must have been a planted passport of Mohammed Atta ... I'll post the link once I google it for others who might be interested! You are quite a wonderful source of info, as are so many here on DU (which is why I am sadly addicted to this place, but it is so needed with our current media control!)
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:52 PM
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32. ironically, so are may CIA agents n/t
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:18 PM
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23. self delete. wrong place
Edited on Mon Jun-04-07 04:19 PM by DrDebug
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:45 PM
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29. I suspect he is singing like a bird
Edited on Mon Jun-04-07 04:55 PM by malaise
and not just about drugs.
http://www.stabroeknews.com/index.pl/article_general_news?id=56518077

http://guyanafriends.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/860604972/m/77210435831/p/3

http://www.latinamericapress.org/Summ.asp?lanCode=1&couCode=23

Roger Khan was educated in the US and lived there for ages.


See if there is a Kerik connection. He was supposed to work with the Guyanese government earlier this year but had to back off because of his own criminal charges.

Add links and a comment.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 05:07 PM
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34. Thanks for the links-particularly to the latinamericapress.org, malaise.
Each post raises new questions that need looking into outside of the press/propaganda announcements of loyal Bushie Jeanie Mamo et al.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 06:10 PM
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38. I'm very interested in the reasons why
Kerik was going to work with the Guyana government and was invited to Trinidad and Tobago by Jack Warner,an opposition Senator, who is well known as a corrupt FIFA soccer operative (Check Andrew Jennings for more on Warner).

If you have the time dig up Stabroek News archives. The US Embassy connection, Gajraj, Roger Khan and that cocaine and arms connection makes my head spin.

Here's Roger Khan
http://www.stabroeknews.com/index.pl/archive?keyword=Roger%20Khan&page=4&year=2006

Today's report - quite detailed
http://www.stabroeknews.com/index.pl/article_general_news?id=56521660

A lot of talk on the subject here

http://www.i955fm.com/
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 06:31 PM
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40. I keep thinking of Guyana as a proxy country for Venezuela
Guyana has a population of 750,000 with some natural resources and oil, but nothing worth going to war over. The country is also very poor. The same applies to Suriname which is a poor, virtually empty country.

So why were COLOMBIAN drug cartels so active in that region. The links between Colombia and the cocaine in the United States are well known.

What do Guyana, Suriname, and Trinidad and Tobago have in common? They are close to Venezuela and corrupt and empty enough to train rebels and handle cocaine shipments meant for Venezuela.

Is a Guyana drug cartel important enough to stage a fake terror attack in New York? Not very likely!

Is Kerik interested in a country which has little or nothing of interest and most people can't even find the country on a map.

Is there a strategic reason for having Kerik and a drugs-for-arms group in Guyana? Yes, it's called Venezuela, a rich, important country with lots of oil and a socialist President who defies Bush time and time again.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 07:10 PM
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43. Guyana is filthy rich with resources
Edited on Mon Jun-04-07 07:15 PM by malaise
but political interference from the Brits and US in the 50s and from the 60s to now and rampant corruption (which received a wink and a nod from the US and Brits)has led to a massive exodus of the Guyanese middle class of all races.

The files are open now -very interesting reading. Here's an interesting link. A good read is Jagan's The West On Trial.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=john_f._kennedy

Check this out

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/thunderinguyana/film.html

By the way more than half of Guyana is still claimed by Venezuela and Guyanese in the North West come and go between the two countries. There's a lot of border trade. The British did what they do best - messed up people and borders all over the globe.

Add link and comment
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 05:26 PM
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36. The latinamericapress.org is very interesting
The government of Surinamese President Ronald Venetiaan had for years complained about the Colombian connection in the drug trade, saying that a thriving arms-for-cocaine business had developed between traffickers belonging to the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), and players in Venezuela, Guyana and Suriname.

http://www.latinamericapress.org/Summ.asp?lanCode=1&couCode=23

Just like Iran-Contra. Coke for arms were being used to fund the resistance.

This could be a reason to get rid off the cartel who was doing the operational part, because it sounds like the DEA and the Suriname government wanted to get rid off the constant drug for arms running between their country, Guyana, Venezuela and Colombia.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 05:46 PM
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37. Is there a Venezuela-contra link to this?
The Skyways aircraft (located in Venice) which was caught on April 11, 2006 with 5.5 tons of cocain and many CIA connections was flying out of Venezuela.

Huffman Aviation (Mohammed Atta) was flying a lot to Venezuela.

The Suriname President was complaying about a Colombian drug traffickers in their country, however you have to pass through Venezuela to get there with Guyana in the middle.

There are lots of stories about cocaine from Venezuela nowadays.

Is there a Venezuela-contra going on?
Venetiaan talks about a drugs-for-arms business. Who needed to get the arms, because Suriname is "reasonably" stable for two decades now especially compared to some South American countries. Guyana is unstable, however Venezuela is the AXIS of EVIL...

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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 05:19 PM
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35. Evergreen's ties to cocaine politics
Check these out. I've read a number of these books.

http://www.namebase.org/main1/Evergreen-International-Aviation.html
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 06:25 PM
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39. K&R! n/t
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 06:59 PM
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41. So they screwed up and arrested one of their own?!?!?!
Oh TOO fucking rich!!!

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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 07:03 PM
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42. K&R - Why does this not surprise me? n/t
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 09:45 PM
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45. The plot thickens...
If we really knew all the things this administration was doing, I suspect the American people would consider a firing squad. The CIA under * is out of control...

:banghead:
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 09:56 PM
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46. Well, that's interesting.
K&R.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-05-07 12:09 AM
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48. Pre-upgrade kick
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-05-07 06:52 AM
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50. Discussing on C-SPAN WJ now 7:50 am EDT. NY Daily News reporter on
James Gordon Meek. Let's see how much we learn.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 04:57 PM
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51. This DeFreitas (or whatever his name is)fellow is also a "jazz musician"
there is a whole lot more to all this than the cover story bs.

Kerik's recent itinerary deserves a look.

Kick.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:45 AM
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52. Kick.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:22 AM
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53. Kick
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