Tom Hanks TV series to debunk Kennedy conspiracy theories

[Kadie]

Tom Hanks TV series to debunk Kennedy conspiracy theories
37 minutes ago


LOS ANGELES (AFP) - Oscar-winning actor Tom Hanks is reportedly to produce a television mini-series debunking the conspiracy theories surrounding the assassination of president John F. Kennedy.

According to Variety, Hanks and his partner in the Playtone production house, Gary Goetzman, will be the executive producers on the project which will adapt the book "Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy."

"I think that we will finally be able to make a substantial dent in the 75 percent of people in this country who still believe the conspiracy theorists," author Vincent Bugliosi told the industry insider, Variety.

His 1,630-page tome backs the official version of events that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone when he shot and killed Kennedy on November 22, 1963 in Dallas, Texas.

"I totally believed there was a conspiracy, but after you read the book, you are almost embarrassed that you ever believed it," Goetzman told Variety.

more...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070607/ennew_afp/entertainmentfilm_070607205518;_ylt=AvzWJfGMXkX_3nfO.6dOv2cFO7gF

[Parche]

1. Tom Hanks

I love Tom Hanks, but there was a shooter from the front, the Zapruder film verifies that....
and if that is the case, then the Warren Commission report is completely wrong.

[Captain Angry]

2. So Charles Manson's prosecutor is a JFK assassination expert. Wild.

I'll be interested to see what specifics they debunk.

[mitchum]

4. No surprise there since Bugliosi's prosecution case against the Manson family...

was also a cover up. Yes, Watson, Atkins, etc...did indeed commit those murders, but the LA district attorney's office "ignored" the contract killing factor because of its connection to powerful figures.

[tridim]

3. Oooh 1,630 pages.. It must be true then.

:eyes:

This gets a big "so what?" from me. It's just one man's opinion, and it's worth no more than mine or that of my next door neighbor.

[alcibiades_mystery]

64. All opinions aren't created equal

This is a great confusion of a society that has "everybody wins" little league games. It simply ain't so.

Some "opinions" are based on facts, logic, and plausibility. Some are merely thoughtlessly transferred and irrationally held. There's a difference between them. So, how do we find out the "good" opinions. First, we "read the book," so to speak. Sounds like 1630 pages would make some good summer reading.

[H2O Man]

111. Vince Bugliosi

is always worth reading .... other than his attempts at fiction. But, even though I disagree with the theories he advances in this book, I look forward to that "summer reading."

[jeff30997]

5. Oliver Stone won't hire him for his next movies...

:evilgrin:

[Swamp Rat]

6. **smooch smooch** ... The Military Industrial Complex loves Tom Hanks.

:loveya: *kiss kiss* all over Tom's rosy butt. :loveya:

[Bucky]

100. Cause of "Philadelphia", right?

[Swamp Rat]

103. MMM!!! CHEESE!!!!

[karlrschneider]

7. Good luck with that. There will always be the 20% tinfoilers who think

some mystery guy shot JFK and the WTC was demolished with explosives. There's no accounting for nutballism.
:eyes:

[glowing]

12. Well, if there had been real investigations of these incidents that

the public was allowed to see, then perhaps there would be fewer questions. But when people act like there is something to hide, then I am assuming there is probably something that has been hidden.

[karlrschneider]

13. I'm comfortable with the published analysis. I understand some people are not.

And that is where we are.

[glowing]

15. I'm not... too many questions and not enough answers...

sort of like the air was clear and workers could work just fine around a site which should have had "superfund" written all over it... and now people are sick.

[Flying Dream Blues]

29. Exactly, Glowing...and welcome to DU! :) nt

[CGowen]

19. only 10 % believe the Oswald mystery guy myth

A 1998 CBS News poll found that only 10 percent of respondents felt Oswald acted alone. Seventy-four percent believed there was a cover-up. Recent polls suggest that this is still the way Americans feel.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/20/national/main584668.shtml

[karlrschneider]

34. Funny how much we love polls when they support our preconceptions

and poo-poo them when they don't.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

26. And there will always be the 20% that love any opening to demean those

that search for truth. No accounting for dickheads.

[karlrschneider]

33. Don't give up your day job frying burgers...

:eyes:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

82. WTF?

Ah, I see. You are elevating yourself by creating a make-believe status for me. Have fun in that delusional world. :9

[dflprincess]

43. Upon reflection, I've decided it's silly of me to think that the U.S. government

would ever, ever lie to the public (BTW, while I've thought 9/11 was, at best, LIHOP, I haven't bought into the implosion idea).

And I'm sure those WMD will turn up in Iraq any day now.

[tom_paine]

45. Yeah, karl , and did you know some wackos actually believe that the Energy Crisis of 2001 in CA

was actually nothing of the sort, but a wholly trumped up fraud primarily due to unscrupulous Enron employees diverting and denying electricity to California?

My God, the nutballery! My God, the tinfoillery! :tinfoilhat:

Can you imagine these fools, thinking that a crazy conspircy theory involving dozens, perhaps hundreds, could go undetected for YEARS? :silly: :crazy:

Ridiculous and absurd if you ask me karl. How could all of those people be involved in such an intricate conspiracy, and all the hundreds who saw such and tangentially suspected, remain silent? How could such a massive conspiracy remain undetected right under the nose of the finest, most vigorous, independent and free press in the world, American Cable TV News? Why, the very thought is absurd!

Answer: Clearly the Energy Crisis in California was absolutely 100% real, a result of supply and demand, as well as a paucity of operational refinieries, and nothing else.

Those crazy conspiracy theorists who hounded Ken Lay to an early grave should be ashamed of themselves for what they did to that good man.

Right, karl?

You tell those leftist conspiracy theory wackjobs to lay off their kooky conspiracies like Enron and JFK. There IS no accounting for nutballism, and the terrible wrongs done by the nutballs to that good and decent man, Ken lay, will haunt their conscienmces to their graves.

Thank God there are such people as you, karl, to shed light on such lunacy.

[alcibiades_mystery]

67. Ah, conspiracy theory rhetorical strategy Number 380

(energy industry people are shady!).

#380 is a sly but essentially laughable maneuver, in which the writer assumes that because his or her interlocutor is denying ONE conspiracy, he or she effectively denies ALL conspiracies. The user of this strategy seeks to paint the particularconspiracy denier as a universal conspiracy denier, as if denying the specific versions of JFK assassination conspiracies would necessitate denying the existence of business collusion in general!

Needless to say, this is a straw man argument in its essence, and therefore a fallacious an unethical argumentative move.

In tom_paine's post, we see CTRS #380 in its classic form.

[tom_paine]

76. Someone who out of hand dismisses others is calling me laughable?

The simple point (apparently, not simple enough) is that nearly every conspiracy felony started out as a "crazy conspiracy theory".

Further, the sad, tired, and pathetic rhetorical tactic of "smear by labelling" could not get any sadder nor pathetic, save that it's directly from the O'Reilly/Hannity/Limbaugh playbook.

I wonder what number strategy your philosophical guiding stars (at least in the matter of rhetoric) would be? You wouldn't happen to know, would you?

Further, it's not a straw man argument, smart guy. It's an insult to the weak-minded who have been with us throughout history, closing their eyes to the "big lies" variously told by the powerful to the Useful Idiots, and ridiculing those who dare to consider the possibilities. When those who dare to ponder the possibilities ultimately and frequently wind up driving legitimate investigations (like Wategate and Iran-Contra, to name two) with what started out as "kooky conspiracy theories".

How could you not notice it's not an argument but an insult? Weak minds are so slow on the uptake, aren't they?

The Wannsee Conference Minutes, for example, smuggled out of Nazi Germany, was immediately dismissed by the weak-minded as "Jewish (Liberal) Propaganda", a conspiracy theory to be ridiculed and ignored. Really, the list of "conspiracy theories" hat turned out to be factual felonies are too numerus too list, but also too numerous to list are the weak-inded souls who prolonged the agony of the concentration camp victims, and all the other victims of conspiracies which turned out to be factual felonies, but who's exposure was delayed by lack of investigation.

But, if Fox "News" and your philosophical guiding stars with their legions of writers and billions of dollars cannot succesfully snuff out legitimate inquiry with their much more sophisticated version of your Bushie Smear & Dismiss Strategy #67-A, do you really think your pathetic rhetorical machinations can stop DUers who are much more strong-minded than you could ever imagine?

Oh, and by the way, a weak mind could and probably would now claim the nonsensical Godwin's Law (made even more irrelevant by the increasing number of similarities between Bushies and Nazis, particularly in the area of rhetoric, today) and crow victory.

NOTE: I am not implying you are a Loyal Bushie, merely that you are using one of their rhetorical strategies they have used to long and good effect in their attempt to shut down legitimate inquiry and investigation into their crimes, which of course are "kooky conspiracy theoriies". Bravo on your talents of mimicry.

Had everyone been like you, Watergate would never have been uncovered, nor My Lai.

But I digress. Primarily, I was wondering why you would choose to mimic Bushie Rhetorical Strategy instead of developing one of your own. I know it's hard work, but try anyway.

Weak minds. What can you do? Not a thing. What can the weak minds do? Try some more dismissive Loyal Bushie Rhetorical put-down strategies and try to wear the opponent out throgh repetition as well as thickheadedness.

(but two can play at that game, can't they?)

[alcibiades_mystery]

92. Rhetorical strategy #792

Associate interlocutor with all manner of nastiness.

Between Hannity, Rush, O'Reilly, Bush, the various National Socialists, William Calley, and the entire command structure of the Americal Division, I'm not sure what ridiculous association I should respond to. It must be my weak mind. In your next post, throw in Jack the Ripper, Vlad the Impaler, and three to five serial rapists. Your point will be so much more cogent then.

In any case, I am merely characterizing your form of discourse (I suspect you're right that we shouldn't honor it with the title of argument). So I am also completely unclear on what Bush strategy I am putatively mimicking. Weak mind again. Or your poor and nonsensical writing. One of the the two.

Tell me about the Nazis again.

[alcibiades_mystery]

65. I love you, karlschenider!

My thoughts exactly.

[MadHound]

79. Umm, that's more like 75-80%

Who believe that the Kennedy assasination was the result of a conspiracy. Oh, and included in that number are those members of the House Subcommittee on Assasinations who, after doing a thorough investigation, officially decleared that the assasination was the result of conspiracy. Yes, the government recognized this reality some twenty eight years ago, why don't you?

[Matsubara]

83. The case for Oswald as lone shooter is flimsy at best.

I wouldn't compare that with the WTC explosives theories, since there is zero credible evidence whatsoever that there were explosives or that anything other than jumbo jets full of fuel and passengers hit those buildings.

Of course that doesn't rule out conspiracies. Who, besides Bin Laden, bankrolled and smoothed the way for this attack to happen? Who benefitted most from the attack? Bin Laden, or Bush & the Military Industrial Complex, or both?

Who had the motive?

Those are fair questions to ask and the trails of evidence don't prove that there was a lone shooter in Dallas, or that there was only one backer of the 9-11 attacks. At least with JFK, there was a thorough investigation and a quick coverup. Bushco were adamantly opposed to ANY investigation into 9-11 for quite some time, if you recall. Why would any administration oppose an investigation into the worst attack on American soil since the Civil War?



But I guess I'm a nutball for asking these questions, and the government is "credible" despite its inability or disinterest in answering them.

:eyes:

[nomatrix]

105. While you were sleeping,,,,

After a two year probe costing taxpayers $5.5 million, House investigators concluded in 1978 that President Kennedy's murder was "probably . . . the result of a conspiracy," and that there was a strong possibility of a shot from the grassy knoll, meaning that two gunmen must have fired at the president within split seconds of each other. In 2001, a peer-reviewed article in Science and Justice determined there was a 96.3 percent chance a shot was fired from the grassy knoll to the right of the president's limousine.
http://crimemagazine.com/06/ford-jfk,1111-06.htm

The House Select Committee on Assassinations
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/hsc.htm


Of course you know too, that the WTC investigators never tested for explosive, hence none was found. You hang out in the dungeon enough
to know that, but refuse to believe it.

Back to your creepy world of delusion......

[Bluebear]

108. Calling people "Tinfoilers", "nutballs". What an incurious way to go through life.

Even the school book depository museum in Dallas at least examines the "conspiracy theories".

PS, what WAS George H. W. Bush doing getting involved with all this?

==
At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.

BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.

BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

http://www.freedomwriter.com/issue34/am81.htm

[Downtown Hound]

8. What is this, the 50th official TV feature "proving" that there was no

conspiracy? Let's face it, this issue will probably never be solved. It comes down to each individual to examine the evidence and make their own conclusions.

As for me, I think the very large amount of people that were in some way connected with the Kennedy assassination that ended up dead within a few years strongly hints towards a conspiracy, but there is no proof either way, and there probably never will be.

[CGowen]

9. Maybe he can hire Bruce Willis as a third shooter

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05052007/gossip/pagesix/humble_skeptic_pagesix_.htm

May 5, 2007 -- ADD Bruce Willis to those who don't believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in assassinating JFK. "They still haven't caught the guy that killed Kennedy," the tough-guy star tells June's Vanity Fair. "I'll get killed for saying this, but I'm pretty sure those guys are still in power, in some form. The entire government of the United States was co-opted. But, he adds, "I don't think my opinion means jack , because I'm an actor. Why do actors think their opinions mean more because you act?"

[tom_paine]

48. "In some form"??? Try Daddy to the Emperor of Amerika

"in some form"...

:rofl:

[dflprincess]

10. It's interesting how so much time is spent trying to convince the public that the Warren Commission

story is true. - Never mentioning, of course, that at least one member of the commission (Hale Boggs) had his doubts about the report. Interesting that this comes out right after a book comes out that says Robert Kennedy never believed the official report and suspicions about Poppy Bush are being kicked around.

If there was nothing to hide all the documents would have been released a long time ago.

[karlrschneider]

14. er, which documents?

...

[KansDem]

17. These, perhaps...

Press Release
July 20, 1998
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
National Archives Opens Additional JFK Assassination Records
College Park, MD. . . On Wednesday, July 22, 1998, at 9 A.M. in the Textual Research Room, the National Archives and Records Administration, at College Park, will make available to the public additional materials relating to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, in accordance with the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992. These records include approximately 50,000 pages of FBI materials; approximately 3,000 pages of materials relating to Operation Mongoose; 20,000 pages of materials from the John F. Kennedy Library; 20,000 pages from the collection of Richard Sprague; and 3,250 of miscellaneous records. The National Archives at College Park, is located at 8601 Adelphi Road. For a listing of the FBI main files, call [phone].

archives

Perhaps all the documents should be released...

[SaveElmer]

11. Excellent...

Glad to see someone with some heft is taking this on...

[leveymg]

16. Debunk this, Vincent

[Popol Vuh]

18. debunk ALL theories?

I'll bet he never addresses some key irrefutable points.

Such as the fact that the Presidents body left Dallas without a V-shaped incision on the right front temple area of his head, but was done BEFORE the autopsy took place at Bethesda. That the fact that his body was loaded aboard airforce-one in a bronze ceremonial casket, but was received at Bethesda in a pinkish gray wood shipping box. That the fact there's a FBI memo indicating the incision on the front right side of his head BEFORE the autopsy took place. That the fact that 100% of all the doctors at Dallas state that that crude incision wasn't done at Parkland hospital.

All this is documented and irrefutable and concludes only one thing. Someone high up in government who would have access to the President's body is responsible for this surgery and switching the body from the casket to the wooden shipping crate. And no way no how did some minimum wage nobody manage to that.

Guarantee you Hank's show will not address this critical point. Not to mention I bet you'll hear nothing about the FBI document written by FBI Director Hoover himself tittled "The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy" and how a one CIA officer named "George Bush's" name appears on this "1963" document.

[Octafish]

20. Won't address the fact Poppy Bush told the FBI he was going to be in Dallas 22 Nov 1963.

Or a lot of other stuff you said. Like...

In the hour of the death of President John F. Kennedy, ostensible Texas oilman George Herbert Walker Bush named a suspect to the FBI in a "confidential" phone call. He then added he was heading for Dallas. Skeptics need not take my word for it, that's what Poppy told the FBI:



Here's a transcript of the text:

TO: SAC, HOUSTON DATE: 11-22-63

FROM: SA GRAHAM W. KITCHEL

SUBJECT: UNKNOWN SUBJECT;
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY

At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.

BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.

BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

# # #

Gee. Why was Poppy Bush in Dallas when JFK was assassinated?

Could it be, he was on official business? I suspect he was on Secret Government business. After all, his eldest son bragged during his Texas Air National Guard and Harvard grad school days that his daddy was CIA.

Here's an FBI document from the same week of the assassination in which FBI Director J Edgar Hoover briefed one "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency." Some strange coincidence there, wot?



Here's a transcript of the above:

Date: November 29, 1963

To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State

From: John Edgar Hoover, Director

Subject: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
NOVEMBER 22, 1963

Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U. S. policy, which is not true.

Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U. S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.

An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.

The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W. T. Forsyth of this Bureau.

# # #

I do remember that GHWB was head of the CIA when the Church Committee was looking into the CIA assassination programs. He made things all friendly-like and turned what had been a serious hunt for truth under previous DCI Colby into another dog-and-pony show that was big on show and light on facts.

Recent evidence shows Bush was CIA earlier than he admitted:

Bush Senior Early CIA Ties Revealed

By Russ Baker and Jonathan Z. Larsen
The Real News Project January 8, 2007

NEW YORK--Newly released internal CIA documents assert that former president George Herbert Walker Bush's oil company emerged from a 1950's collaboration with a covert CIA officer.

Bush has long denied allegations that he had connections to the intelligence community prior to 1976, when he became Central Intelligence Agency director under President Gerald Ford. At the time, he described his appointment as a 'real shocker.'

But the freshly uncovered memos contend that Bush maintained a close personal and business relationship for decades with a CIA staff employee who, according to those CIA documents, was instrumental in the establishment of Bush's oil venture, Zapata, in the early 1950s, and who would later accompany Bush to Vietnam as a “cleared and witting commercial asset” of the agency.

According to a CIA internal memo dated November 29, 1975, Bush's original oil company, Zapata Petroleum, began in 1953 through joint efforts with Thomas J. Devine, a CIA staffer who had resigned his agency position that same year to go into private business. The '75 memo describes Devine as an “oil wild-catting associate of Mr. Bush.” The memo is attached to an earlier memo written in 1968, which lays out how Devine resumed work for the secret agency under commercial cover beginning in 1963.

“Their joint activities culminated in the establishment of Zapata Oil,” the memo reads. In fact, early Zapata corporate filings do not seem to reflect Devine's role in the company, suggesting that it may have been covert. Yet other documents do show Thomas Devine on the board of an affiliated Bush company, Zapata Offshore, in January, 1965, more than a year after he had resumed work for the spy agency.

CONTINUED...

http://realnews.org/rn/content/zapata.html

Now I don't know if Poppy was a trigger man, was only there to watch what happened or what just happened to be there. I do know Poppy Bush has never explained these memos. He's never even admitted where he was the day JFK was killed.

Seeing how he would go on to become President, as would his dim son, I believe it's vitally important that we learn the Truth.

Why Tom Hanks doesn't: He needs the money.

[Popol Vuh]

22. Good post Octafish

I also find it very interesting that Governor John Connelly's statement of the incident changes when the government's theory changes with respect to the magic bullet theory. Connelly's statement curiously changes to corroborate the warren commission's story of what bullet hit what.

The fact of the matter is his statement of his account of events changes at the same time the government's changes with respect to the bullets.

[Octafish]

74. Thanks, Popol Vuh! Here's a bit more...

Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=872755

Not approved by people who believe the Big Lie.

[Wiley50]

30. Yeah, Like I'm gonna Take Forrest Gump's word for it

i trust octafish much, much more

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. An Actor Is As Dumb As The Dumbest Person He's Ever Played

Does that mean Sam Waterston is as smart as Lincoln?

[Raskolnik]

36. I've seen you post this several times

What do you think it means?

[Gabi Hayes]

38. could it mean that that it bears, uh, looking into?

has anyone in that liberal media ever questioned poppy about it?

IIRC, it may have happened once or twice, and was never anwered to anybody's satisfaction

surprised?

just for fun, check out Bush+Bay of Pigs

[Gabi Hayes]

39. and while you're at it.....from Online Journal, thanks to seemslikeadream

Paranoid shift

By Michael Hasty
Online Journal Contributing Writer

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January 10, 2004—Just before his death, James Jesus Angleton, the legendary chief of counterintelligence at the Central Intelligence Agency, was a bitter man. He felt betrayed by the people he had worked for all his life. In the end, he had come to realize that they were never really interested in American ideals of "freedom" and "democracy." They really only wanted "absolute power."

Angleton told author Joseph Trento that the reason he had gotten the counterintelligence job in the first place was by agreeing not to submit "sixty of Allen Dulles' closest friends" to a polygraph test concerning their business deals with the Nazis. In his end-of-life despair, Angleton assumed that he would see all his old companions again "in hell."

The transformation of James Jesus Angleton from an enthusiastic, Ivy League cold warrior, to a bitter old man, is an extreme example of a phenomenon I call a "paranoid shift." I recognize the phenomenon, because something similar happened to me.

Although I don't remember ever meeting James Jesus Angleton, I worked at the CIA myself as a low-level clerk as a teenager in the '60s. This was at the same time I was beginning to question the government's actions in Vietnam. In fact, my personal "paranoid shift" probably began with the disillusionment I felt when I realized that the story of American foreign policy was, at the very least, more complicated and darker than I had hitherto been led to believe.

But for most of the next 30 years, even though I was a radical, I nevertheless held faith in the basic integrity of a system where power ultimately resided in the people, and whereby if enough people got together and voted, real and fundamental change could happen.

What constitutes my personal paranoid shift is that I no longer believe this to be necessarily true.

In his book, "Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower," William Blum warns of how the media will make anything that smacks of "conspiracy theory" an immediate "object of ridicule." This prevents the media from ever having to investigate the many strange interconnections among the ruling class—for example, the relationship between the boards of directors of media giants, and the energy, banking and defense industries. These unmentionable topics are usually treated with what Blum calls "the media's most effective tool—silence." But in case somebody's asking questions, all you have to do is say, "conspiracy theory," and any allegation instantly becomes too frivolous to merit serious attention.

http://onlinejournal.org/Commentary/011004Hasty/011004hasty.html

[Raskolnik]

41. And that begs the question--to what end?

Is it your belief that GHWB was involved in the Kennedy assasination?

[dailykoff]

47. Short answer: $$

Money for KBR, Bell Helicopter, Dow Chemical, and of course the Texas oil guys, and power for their stooge LBJ.

Worked, too.

edit to add: don't forget that 41 and idiot son 43 eventually got their turn at the trough.

[Raskolnik]

51. Huh?

Are you saying that Bush killed JFK to make more money?

[dailykoff]

52. Money and power, yes.

It's called predatory capitalism and it's very popular in Texas.

[Raskolnik]

53. And the reason that JFK had to die for Bush to make money?

Unless I'm mistaken, I seem to remember that the Bush family was doing just fine before 1963. Why did JFK need to die?

[dailykoff]

57. So fellow Texan LBJ could take over

and spread the loot I mean the love. Poppy is an apparatchik who followed the path of treason to the top. Nixon is another one. Could it have happened it JFK or RFK had lived? Doubtful, at least in their minds. JFK Jr. apparently presented a problem too.

[Raskolnik]

61. So Bush was working for LBJ?

And c'mon! JFK Jr!? You're not seriously arguing that he was assassinated, are you? He couldn't present a problem to the Sunday jumble.

[dailykoff]

63. Let's just say they were working in concert.

I wasn't there, I'm not God, I don't know where Poppy was in the food chain at the time, just that he eventually made it to the top.

JFK Jr. ran a magazine and had apparently expressed interest investigating his father's murder, which is also what probably got his uncle killed, as David Talbot reasonably suggests in his recent Brothers, or at least one of the things.

[dailykoff]

66. p.s. take a look at the memos Octafish posted in #20

permalink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1064286&mesg_id=1064568

[Raskolnik]

75. Is this based on any shred of evidence?

JFK Jr. was not exactly known as the sharpest knife in the drawer, so why is it that he would present a threat to his father's killer(s)? Do you have any reason to believe he was, or would be, privy to information unavailable to the general public?

[dailykoff]

85. Hmm.... cuz his father was president and his uncle was AG?

Just a hunch. :crazy:

[Raskolnik]

86. Doesn't that also apply to Carloline?

I'll ask again: do you have any actual evidence that JFK Jr. was murdered?

[dailykoff]

91. Caroline isn't publishing a political journal

or expressing interest in investigating her father's murder, at least to my knowledge. I'm sure something unfortunate would occur if she were.

Evidence: 884,000 Google results for "JFK Jr murder," and here's one to get you started:

The report of the National Transportation Safety Board came out on August 8, 2000, 13 months after the plane crash of JFK Jr. It contradicts many of the lies pushed in the media.

For example, the L.A. Times reported "The accident that killed Kennedy was caused by an inexperienced pilot .. the NTSB concluded in its final report" (LA TIMES, 7/7/00, page 1). In fact, the NTSB report shows that Kennedy was highly experienced (he had more than enough hours for an instructor's license), he was described by his trainers as "excellent", "methodical", and "very cautious." (NTSB report, page 3)

The media say the visibility was poor. But the NTSB quotes the Tower manager at Martha's Vineyard, where the plane went down, saying that there were "stars out" and visibility was "between 10 and 12 miles" (NTSB report, page 5).

Much more: http://www.john-f-kennedy-jr.com/murdered.htm

[Raskolnik]

94. Neither was Jr.

If you think anyone was frightened by the dogged journalism of "George" then you were obviously never subjected to an issue.

[dailykoff]

96. Apparently he'd already published an article by Oliver Stone

on "assassination, conspiracies, and lying history books" in George, according to the link above. I haven't read it, and I don't know if it's true, but I've been hearing that he was interested in an assassination investigation for years.

[dailykoff]

98. p.s. I briefly had a subscription and it wasn't bad.

It was kind of a DC New Yorker and the articles were pretty good.

[dailykoff]

102. Cover photo of October '98 Stone issue:

in case the photo doesn't show up, the issue title is "Conspiracy Issue," Stone's article is called "Paranoid and Proud of It," and one of the other articles is called "Dark Secrets: How the Pentagon Spied on the President."

Hmm...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

115. Too Bad They Didn't Solve The Tupac And Biggie Murders

eom

[DemocratSinceBirth]

114. She Does Seem To Be The More Cerebral One

eom

[Gabi Hayes]

50. If I had to answer yes or no: no, not directly. However, ask me what I

think about the Bay of Pigs

then ask me what the significance of BofP is w/JFK

then ask me if it's BS that the common belief is that BofP was Nixonite code for JFK assassination, and is the real reason for the 18 1/2 minute gap in the tapes

then ask me the makeup of most of the Watergate burglary team

then ask me why there are so many amazing, unexplained (and ignored in the M$M) coincidences like the aforementioned

then read Oswald and the CIA by John Newman

then.....

and, are you serious about your "to what end" question? if there was a conspiracy, it means whatever thread of democracy existed in 1963 was cut, finally, and forever, if the true story is left to posterity

then, there's always Smedley Butler/FDR/Liberty League

[Raskolnik]

55. Ok. Happy to oblige.

What do you think about the Bay of Pigs?

What is the significance of BofP w/JFK?

Is it BS that the common belief is that BofP was Nixonite code for JFK assassination, and is the real reason for the 18 1/2 minute gap in the tapes?

What was the makeup of most of the Watergate burglary team?

Why are there are so many amazing, unexplained (and ignored in the M$M) coincidences like the aforementioned?





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[Gabi Hayes]

58. funny guy, you. the short answer is that I think they're all connected.

exactly how remains perhaps the most important conundrum in US history

if you think they're all just coincidental occurrences, them do yourself a favor, and read Oswald and the CIA, by John Newman. It doesn't go into wild speculation, just sifts through reams of data previously kept hidden from the public

you can draw your own conclusions

see post #54 for a few details

[Raskolnik]

62. Connected.

I see.

[Gabi Hayes]

68. what are you, a parakeet?

have fun with yourself; something else you can do with one hand besides type

[Raskolnik]

73. Oh, there's no need to be nasty.

I just don't think you've made a very persuasive case for...I guess I'm not even sure what it is you're making a case *for*.

If your point is that the same names crop up again and again in high-level government activities, then I have to say that's not entirely earth-shattering news. If your point is something more specific than that, I'd be happy to hear you out.

[Gabi Hayes]

77. ''there's no need to be nasty''...gee, that was easy.

.....snarkily obnoxious is A OK, though, right?

I mentioned a few items of interest that, to me, would provoke interest.

I mentioned, in particular, the Newman book. do you know anything about it, or anything else he's written, including an academic presentation regarding Kennedy's likely withdrawal from Vietnam? I provided a few links, with quotes. did you bother to read them? let me guess: no.

if you haven't, then do a little research before you so casually dismiss the possibility that JFK's death was mere coincidence, cause your base of knowledge is as shallow as your replies so far

[Raskolnik]

81. "I mentioned a few items of interest that, to me, would provoke interest."

And I offered you a chance to elaborate on those items of interest. If you have a particular theory that you think is credible, let's hear it. Just pointing out that people are connected and hinting at vague conspiracies isn't terribly interesting, though.

If you'd rather not be specific about what it is you're alleging, you probably shouldn't bring up the issues in the first place.

[Gabi Hayes]

87. why didn't you say that in the first place, then?

if what I mentioned is of no interest to you, yip yip

I don't profess to know the precise connections between groups that have been tied together for decades, involved in the most maleficent activities, and have been proven to have lied their asses off over and over. What I do know is that there's been an intense effort to make it impossible to see ALL the evidence available, evidence which, more than likely, will reflect very badly on those, like Richard Helms, who lied about Clay Shaw's CIA connections, among other things.

you asked for specifics. I mentioned one book which is of particular interest, as it shows one of those organizations to have lied and destroyed evidence over the years. I asked if you've read it, or anything by him, providing, as you requested, something of a more specific nature. you've chosen not to respond to my request regarding your knowledge of said book/author.

fair enough. you haven't done anything but gainsay whatever has been posited by those here who don't fall into the coincidence theory category.

if that's the best you can do, I don't think I'll waste any more time with this back and forth

[Raskolnik]

93. So you don't know who did what, but *someone* did *something* bad

And, lest you think I'm not acknowledging the book you've read--I started, but didn't finish Newman's book. I didn't find it to be particularly well written.

(edit typo)

[Gabi Hayes]

99. keep up with the dickwad characterizations all you want

I don't find your contributions to be particularly well written either, so I guess I'll finish off after this

one of the criticisms of his book is that it's not particularly well written, btw. so what?

the book isn't designed to be a page turner. it offers something that most speculative books on the subjects lack: ample documentation from primary sources

if you're unmoved by evidence provided therein, one can assume you're firmly in the coincidence theorist's camp, so your dogma differs from mine

and since, again, you offer nothing but the same sort of nebulous rhetoric you make light of in reference to my posts, what's the point of this exchange? do you have anything to offer, aside from your negativity?

big fan of Posner and McAdams, are you?

dive in and tell us what happened, answer man

[DemocratSinceBirth]

113. I'm Late To This Debate

Are folks arguing that JFK Jr. was assassinated too?


Why?


Because he was a potential president...


There's nothing to indicate he harbored presidential ambitions...

I thought his death was what it was... An inexperienced pilot flying in adverse conditions crashed...

Happens all the time...

[Octafish]

69. I post it when applicable because I want my country back.

The nation hasn't been the same since the Old Boy-NAZI-CIA-Mafia-Wall Street-Big Oil-Military Industrial Complex got a hold of power on November 22, 1963.



Should you ask them, you'll find near zero Americans know the zero-degrees of seperation between George Herbert Walker Bush and the assassination of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Those I've told -- when they learn the truth, don't feel the same way about the Bushes or a big chunk, if not most, of the Establishment. That makes knowledge a dangerous thing, revolutionary. It also explains why so many people do all they can to block its discussion and dissemination.

I've got something in the works I'd like to post in the coming days on this subject. Until then, you might find some details here, Raskolnik:

Poppy Bush brought up JFK Assassination and ''Conspiracy Theorists'' at Ford Funeral

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3029417

Thanks for giving a damn!

[Gabi Hayes]

70. I said the same thing as you did to this wiseass, only not as effectively

don't waste your time

[Gabi Hayes]

72. dupe

[Raskolnik]

78. I'm not sure I agree with your premise.

The nation hasn't been the same since the Old Boy-NAZI-CIA-Mafia-Wall Street-Big Oil-Military Industrial Complex got a hold of power on November 22, 1963.

I would agree that it was a grievous loss to the nation, but I do not agree that it was the opportunity for "them" to take power. "They" already had most of the power and weren't in danger of losing it any time soon.

[Octafish]

84. Wrong. JFK frustrated their efforts to make war.

Know your BFEE: At every turn, JFK was opposed by War Party

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1366764

After JFK, "They" got their war, er, wars.

[Raskolnik]

88. I've never found that theory to be convincing.

We were in plenty of wars prior to Kennedy, and we've been in plenty since then.

[Octafish]

90. Very true.

When Kennedy was President, we weren't.

[Gabi Hayes]

95. I noticed in your archived thread, you noted Newman's book on JFK's intent to leave Vietnam.

http://www.history-matters.com/vietnam1963.htm

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=John+Newman++JFK+and+Vietnam++&btnG=Search

I was about to link it myself to save that person the effort of working his way through your thread.

doubt if he'll read it. he seems to be omniscient and made up his mind about everything worth knowing. nice to be in such a sweet position, yes?

bet he knows all about NSM #s 263/273, and the controversies generated therein.

I just found some interesting links detailing the disagreement over Kennedy's true intent regarding withdrawal, including taped material from the WH, contemporaneous with the signing of the first NSM.

have you seen these? pretty interesting eschanges, with people who appear to know what they're talking about:

http://progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=30182&mesg_id=32598

http://progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=30182&mesg_id=32657

stark disagreement on the accuracy of Newman's book abounds, as characterized by Chomsky's review of James Galbraith's book, which relies on Newman for much of its 'factual' basis:

http://www.chomsky.info/letters/200312--.htm

so, as always, who knows what to believe? Based on the constant lies of the powers that be, I certainly don't have much faith in anything they have to say.

[tom_paine]

49. Classic guilty behavior: The perp trying to deflect suspicion onto an innocent

If Poppy and the Dulles brothers had been regular people, such a "tell" would have attracted cops from Seattle to Miami to grill the murder/conpiracy suspecvt.

However, while the Regular Crminal dreams of committing the Perfect Crime, State Criminals like the Royal Busheis dream of controlling a crime scene so they can dispose of any incriminating evidence (and people) at their leisure.

As they did in the JFK assassination.

Another "tell" just last year: Poppy eulogizes Gerald Ford and inexplicable brings up the Warren Commission and those crazy doubting conspiracy theorists in an inappropriate as well as confusing segue which was simply way out of place.

But an unquiet conscience, even one as small and shrivelled as Poppy Augustus', can make a person commit many "tells". I suspect what seperates JFK and RFK from the millions of Filthy Little Nobodies that the Royal Busheis have murdered or caused to be murdered, is that the Kennedys had enough wealth and power that Poppy probably looks on them as "superiors" like himself, as in, real live human beings as compared to the 300,000,000 Imperial Subjects of Amerika, who are likely little more than animals to him.

And yes, that's speculation, but well-grounded in circumstantial evidence, which is the best a truth-seeker can hope for in a Totalitarian Nation.

[Octafish]

89. Like letting a planeload full of relatives of the prime suspect's relatives fly out of the country..

...when no other aircraft were allowed to fly. Then lying about it. That's not odd behavior. That's not just criminal -- it is treason.

Bin Laden Family Evacuated

CBS News
Sept. 30, 2001

Two dozen members of Osama bin Laden's family were urgently evacuated from the United States in the first days following the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, according to the Saudi ambassador to Washington.

One of bin Laden's brothers frantically called the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Washington looking for protection, Prince Bandar bin Sultan told The New York Times. The brother was sent to a room in the Watergate Hotel and was told not to open the door.

Most of bin Laden's relatives were attending high school and college. The young members of the bin Laden family were driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret place in Texas and then to Washington, The Times reported Sunday.

Many were terrified, fearing they would be lynched after hearing reports of violence against Muslims and Arab-Americans.

They left the country on a private charter plane when airports reopened three days after the attacks.

CONTINUED...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/30/archive/main313048.shtml

THE BIG LIE. NO OTHER PLANES COULD FLY WHEN THESE "CHARTER" JETS GOT THE OK TO FLY AND THE FBI LET THE PRIME SUSPECT'S FAMILY SCOOT.

Thanks for understanding what's at stake, Thomas.

Wanted to share this link:

Poppy Bush brought up JFK Assassination and ''Conspiracy Theorists'' at Ford Funeral

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3029417

[Johonny]

21. Boy I sure hope it explains

How Lee Harvey Oswald could defect to the U.S.S.R. and come back to the USA without any investigation of him? If he shot him alone or with other people? Who knows, but Lee Harvey Oswald's past has certainly been covered up in this mess.

[gulfcoastliberal]

42. Yeah, I want that explained, too.

Doubtful it'll be mentioned since that fact might cause a lot of other people to question their version of events.

[Gabi Hayes]

54. read Oswald and the CIA, by John Newman

http://www.ctka.net/pr999-osciamex.html

he's not a 'conspiracy nut'

a college professor; U of Maryland, FWIW


http://www.amazon.com/Oswald-CIA-John-Newman/dp/0786701315
From Publishers Weekly

This meticulously documented expose gives the lie to the official CIA position that it had no relationship of any kind with Lee Harvey Oswald, alleged assassin of President John Kennedy. A former U.S. military intelligence officer for 20 years, Newman (JFK and Vietnam) relies primarily on newly released government documents made available within the last three years under the JFK Assassination Records Act, passed in 1992, which mandates that the U.S. government make available all its information on this case. Using CIA, FBI, military and American embassy files to reconstruct Oswald's activities from his 1959 defection to the Soviet Union up until his murder, Newman shows that the CIA was spawning a web of deception about Oswald weeks before the president's murder.

For example, the agency has denied that it knew about Oswald's 1963 visits to the Cuban consultant in Mexico City, but Newman refutes this, using interlocking CIA and FBI cables and reports. The evidence presented here, though fragmentary and based on heavily censored and edited documents, strongly suggests that the CIA had a keen operational interest in Oswald, that it kept tabs on him and that Oswald, either willingly or as a patsy, was deeply involved in CIA operations.

CIA documents suggest that the agency had a hand in Oswald's defection to the Soviet Union and monitored his activities there and his return home in June 1962. This heavily annotated tome, which reads like an intricate spy thriller, serves as a corrective to Norman Mailer's Oswald's Tale.
Copyright 1995 Reed Business Information, Inc.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. Ah Geez.... Based on Bugliosi's book?

That's a must miss. :(

[DemSoccerMom]

24. I seem to remember when I was a sophomore in college,

(in 1998) my history prof saying something that leads me to believe there was a conspiracy of some sort -- either a conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy or a conspiracy to cover it up.

He had told the class that "they" (the government?) would reveal the truth about the Kennedy assassination once everyone involved was dead and buried. Now, I don't know what his point of reference for making such as statement was. Was there some sort of "deal" worked out among government insiders (he used to work in the federal government as one of the heads of the secret service ), or was the statement made simply because in HE believes there was a conspiracy?

EDIT for typo

[KG]

25. there are people that still believe that oswald actually hit something/anything?

[Bjornsdotter]

27. Yeah

...surprised me too.

Cheers

[AikidoSoul]

28. Am currently reading "Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years"

by David Talbot

It is astonishingly revealing that Bobby Kennedy and the entire Kennedy family all thought that John F. Kennedy was assassinated by a conspiracy of actors from the CIA and the Military Industrial Complex. He publicly would not talk about this but worked for 5 years until his own murder to uncover the truth. He publicly assented to the single assassin claim to maintain a public facade so he could pursue his investigation.

[dailykoff]

71. Great read.

Absolutely chilling. Well worth the price.

[Corgigal]

110. Bobby Kennedy

I read always believe it was the Mob. I will look into this book though.

Of course no one can ask Bobby what he really thought. He knew more then anyone and a few short years later, he was gone.

[WinkyDink]

32. Stupid is as stupid does.

Maybe he'll debunk Scientology next?

[WI_DEM]

35. Good, I'll be interested to see what it says

[Gabi Hayes]

37. Oh, goody. two and a half times as much BS as Posner's book, which,

among other things, IRREFUTABLY established unassailable facts like this: Oswald and Ferrie never, EVER met, nor were ever in the same place at the same time



OOPS!

[dailykoff]

40. Oh barf. I heard Bugliosi interviewed last week

on Pacifica and he's as credible as an infomercial. Major coincidence theorist. Many examples, like that Oswald defected to the USSR in the middle of the cold war, married a Russian, returned to the US -- and wasn't being tracked by the FBI. Right Vince.

[Josh]

97. Bugliosi's not an idiot -

and remember, he was the first to publish a book slamming the Supreme Court for Bush v. Gore - I believe it was called "The Betrayal of America" or something similar.

I've read evidence that a bullet exiting the front of someone's head from behind can actually create a blowback force as it exits, causing a victim's head to rear *back* and not forward. Not too sure where I stand on that.

However, as has been pointed out here, I'd like to see if someone can explain Oswald's connections and how he could have got into Russia and out again without any questions asked, and also how he basically lived in the heart of the New Orleans intelligence community, etc.

I seem to recall also wasn't there some sound expert analysis released about five years ago saying to a 96% certainty that there were at least 4 shots, probably at least 5?

[H2O Man]

112. Vince Bugliosi

is many things, but certainly not an "idiot." He was a heck of a prosecutor, and is a very talented author of non-fiction books. Both "The Betrayal of America" and "Outrage" are good books.

Many people are not aware that, after serving as a prosecutor, Vince Bugliosi participated in a case in LA in which he introduced strong evidence of a conspiracy to assassinate RFK in 1968. Thus, he is not taking a stance that all political assassinations are the results of nutty "lone gunmen." Rather, he honestly believes this is the case with JFK and Oswald.

He is wrong, of course. I would enjoy the opportunity to debate him on his theories. But I do respect the man. I will say that in his recent televised interviews, Vince has appeared rude, cranky, and like a shadow of the once-powerful, quick-thinking man who I remember so well.

[BushOut06]

44. Sure - this will put a definitive end to all conspiracy theories

:sarcasm:

I'm sorry, but this is one case where the conspiracy theorists might really be on to something. It just seems too open-and-shut. Unless Mr. Hanks has invented a time machine and can produce proof positive that Oswald acted alone, nothing he says or does will convince the millions of people who think there were other people involved otherwise.

[dailykoff]

46. Now all they need is a motive.

Vince hadn't quite got a handle on that one when I heard him interviewed last week. Something to do with being disillusioned with Marxism? Huh?

Oh well, maybe in another 40 years.

[sutz12]

56. I thought it was the Cigarette Smoking Man,,,,,,, nt

[Bucky]

107. Nope, Colonel Mustard in the Drawing Room with the Lead Pipe

Or maybe conspiracy theorist in the cyber room with a crack pipe.

The JFK Assassination is one of those things it doesn't pay to be rational about. For most people it really serves as a short hand for their (fully justified) deep seeded distrust of the American government. For others it functions as a template for denigrating nonconformists. Yet other people use it to foster theories about communist conspiracies.

In the end what someone believes about Kennedy's murder is more of a Rorschach test than an assessment of a criminal act from 44 years ago. Personally I'm from the "Marilyn Monroe faked her own death and sought revenge on Kennedy for dumping her" school of thought. Sadly, Bishop Occam has been quite abusive toward me for these beliefs.

[Rex]

59. Forrest Gump to lie about JFK? Who cares.

Yawn.

[nam78_two]

80. What you said.nt

[Aviation Pro]

60. This from the guy who gave us....

...the professor who found out the secret of Mr. and Mrs. Jesus Christ in the Da Vinci Code.

[Quixote1818]

101. It's amazing how many people have discounted the film before watching it.

I would suggest keeping an open mind. :eyes:

[Up2Late]

104. How disapointing. And this Gary Goetzman guy, looks like he needs some Ritalin.

Check out all the stuff he's already got in Pre-Production, Production and Post-production!

Well, at least we know this project will have his full attention. :sarcasm:

<http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0324556/>

Producer:

1. The Risk Pool (2008) (in production) (producer)
2. Untitled Deep Throat Project (2009) (announced) (producer)
3. They Marched Into Sunlight (2008) (announced) (producer)
4. "The Pacific" (2009) (mini) TV Series (pre-production) (executive producer)
5. Mamma Mia! (2008) (pre-production) (producer)
6. Boone's Lick (2008) (pre-production) (producer)
7. A Cold Case (2008) (pre-production) (producer)
8. My Life in Ruins (2008) (pre-production) (producer)
9. "John Adams" (2008) (mini) TV Series (filming) (executive producer)
10. Surfer Dude (2008) (filming) (producer)
11. Where the Wild Things Are (2008) (post-production) (producer)
12. Charlie Wilson's War (2007) (post-production) (producer)
13. The Great Buck Howard (2007) (post-production) (producer)

14. "Big Love" (executive producer) (15 episodes, 2006-2007)
- Reunion (2007) TV Episode (executive producer)
- The Writing on the Wall (2007) TV Episode (executive producer)
- Damage Control (2007) TV Episode (executive producer)
- Meet the Babysitter (2007) TV Episode (executive producer)
- Circle the Wagons (2007) TV Episode (executive producer)
(10 more)
15. Starter for Ten (2006) (producer)
16. The Ant Bully (2006) (producer)
17. Neil Young: Heart of Gold (2006) (executive producer)
18. Magnificent Desolation: Walking on the Moon 3D (2005) (producer)
19. We're with the Band (2005) (TV) (executive producer)
20. The Polar Express (2004) (producer)
... aka The Polar Express: An IMAX 3D Experience (USA: IMAX version)
21. My Big Fat Greek Wedding (2002) (producer)
... aka Mariage à la grecque (Canada: French title)
... aka Mariage grec, Le (Canada: French title: TV title)
22. We Stand Alone Together (2001) (TV) (co-executive producer)
... aka We Stand Alone Together: The Men of Easy Company (Europe: English title: DVD title)
23. "Band of Brothers" (2001) (mini) TV Series (co-executive producer)
24. "West Point" (2000) TV Series (executive producer)

25. Beloved (1998/I) (producer)
26. Storefront Hitchcock (1998) (executive producer)
27. That Thing You Do! (1996) (producer)
28. Devil in a Blue Dress (1995) (producer)
29. The Complex Sessions (1994) (producer)
30. Philadelphia (1993) (executive producer)
31. Amos & Andrew (1993) (producer)
32. The Silence of the Lambs (1991) (executive producer)
33. Miami Blues (1990) (producer)

34. Modern Girls (1986) (producer)
35. Stop Making Sense (1984) (producer)

Actor:

1. Philadelphia (1993) .... Guido Paonessa
2. Family Prayers (1993) .... Irate Driver
... aka A Family Divided
3. Miami Blues (1990) .... Hotel Desk Clerk

4. Married to the Mob (1988) .... Guy At The Piano
5. And God Created Woman (1988) .... Al Lawrence
6. Something Wild (1986) .... Guido Paonessa
7. Modern Girls (1986) .... Undercover cop
8. Swing Shift (1984) .... Swing Shift bandleader
9. Bustin' Loose (1981) .... Store Manager
10. The Incredible Shrinking Woman (1981) .... Newscaster
11. Melvin and Howard (1980) .... Melvin's Cousin Fred
12. "Family" .... Sam / ... (2 episodes, 1978-1980)
- Play on Love (1980) TV Episode .... Steven
- Magic (1978) TV Episode .... Sam

13. Hot Rod (1979) (TV) .... Security Guard
... aka Rebel of the Road
14. Last Embrace (1979) (as Gary Getzman) .... Tour Guide
15. Handle with Care (1977) .... RV Salesman
... aka Citizen's Band
... aka The Great American Citizens Band
16. Caged Heat (1974) .... Sparky
... aka Caged Females
... aka Renegade Girls

17. Yours, Mine and Ours (1968) .... Greg Beardsley
18. Divorce American Style (1967) .... Jonathon

[Decruiter]

106. I count four producer credits for Hanks vehicles

Hanks owes him. Who pulling Gary's chain is harder to see.

[AzDar]

109. Yesssss. Lee Oswald acted alone. Joe vs. The Volcano was a

film that NEEDED to be made.
Tom Hanks says so.

[B Calm]

116. The next movie will be Iraqi terrorists taking down the world trade center

[TheUnspeakable]

117. k&r

[reprehensor]

118. JFK researchers petition against this series.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/jfklancer/