Gov Dean - Agrees With MANY Of Us - The Dems Have Thus Far Failed The Voters

[kpete]

Governor Dean understands that Democrats have failed voters:


"The American people hired Democrats last November to ensure that we end this war," Dean said during the weekly Democratic radio address. "So let me be clear, we know that if we don't keep our promise, we may find ourselves the minority again....

"We have to face the reality that Republicans in Congress are standing with President Bush as he stubbornly wields his veto pen," Dean charged. In response, he proposed that the "one way to truly ensure we end this war" was to elect a Democrat as president in 2008.

more at:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070609/ap_on_go_co/democrats_iraq;_ylt=AiBe0ExaUjdG4ruSN.dvK1Ws0NUE

[calimary]

1. I LOVES me some Dr. Dean!!!

Howard Dean STILL speaks for me!

[asjr]

8. Me too! And loud and clear!

[porphyrian]

2. He should be President. - n/t

[Cleita]

3. This is the man that should have been our President, but he

was railroaded by the media because he spoke the truth about them. Then they showed him in every unflattering light that they could up to the "Dean scream" that finished him off in favor of John Kerry. I think if it had been Dean that was the candidate, he wouldn't have folded as quickly as Kerry did and would have fought the Ohio count up to the finale.

[porphyrian]

4. Dean/Gore or Gore/Dean 2008! - n/t

[Cleita]

9. I wonder if Gore does run and becomes our candidate, if he

would even ask Dean to be his running mate. Maybe we should mount a letter writing campaign to put the bug in his ear.

[Cha]

6. I kn-ow.. but it is what it is and

now Dean's our Dem Party Chair and they're still trying to oust 'im!

BUGGERS!

[Individualist]

20. It wasn't only the media; he was also railroaded by DLC

Letter to From and Reed:
"Your declaration (in the earlier version of this piece posted on your website) that "Real Democrats are real people, not activist elites," is so infuriating that I can barely respond to it. In the Los Angeles Times, you write, "The fact is, 'the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party,' as former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean likes to call it, is an aberration, a modern-day version of the old McGovern wing of the party, defined principally by weakness abroad and elitist interest-group liberalism at home."

www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/07/07_dlc.html

Howard Dean was assassinated in broad daylight. Unlike Kennedy's "grassy knoll," Dean's killers are not hiding -- it was the Democratic Party itself, and more specifically the Democratic Leadership Council, that successfully went after, and sabotaged his candidacy.

www.alternet.org/story/17881/

The crucial dynamic in America today is that big companies, political parties and media are powerful businesses -- and they will do anything to crush new threats. The DLC reacted with fury to the Dean candidacy, going all out to torpedo his momentum. Although Democratic nominees soon piled on the "bash-Dean" bandwagon, earlier attacks were carried out by DLC operatives. There was even the smell of scandal when two top Democratic candidates were found sharing information about Dean in an attempt to slow him down.

www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/001184.php

DLC Chairman Al From and President Bruce Reed released a memo trashing Howard Dean's candidacy for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"We are increasingly confident that President Bush can be beaten next year, but Dean is not the man to do it," Reed and From wrote.

www.geegaw.com/stories/sleepless_in_iowa_and_seattle.shtml

[Cleita]

22. Which is why I hate these Republican Lite moffas.

I really get pissed when fellow DUers defend them as part of our big tent. Screw them.

[Individualist]

30. So do I - and that's an understatement!

[windy252]

21. Wasn't Dean also, to my understanding,

mentioning re-regulating the media. By the time the primary reached my state, Kerry had already seemed inevitable.

[Cleita]

23. That's what made them get their guns out essentially

assassinating him in the media. He brought this up and it was war. This is why I think they committed treason. They interfered in the progress of a free election IMHO. They of course liked Kerry because he was more likely to lose to Bush (with the help of election tampering) than the wildly popular until then Dean.

[blm]

32. Kerry won - probably by a landslide - Dean would've had the exact same DNC undermining

him that Kerry had.

Easily forgotten is that if the DLC really wanted Kerry they would have directed money to his campaign during the crucial months right before Iowa - they didn't. Kerry financed the last couple months on his own because the media had worked overtime to kill off his campaign before they started going negative on their next target - Dean.


And THIS would have been the same treatment Dean got:


This talk by historian Douglas Brinkley occurred in April 2004:

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

Whom does the biographer think his subject will pick as a running mate? Not Hillary Rodham Clinton. "There's really two different Democratic parties right now: there's the Clintons and Terry McAuliffe and the DNC and then there's the Kerry upstarts. John Kerry had one of the great advantages in life by being considered to get the nomination in December. He watched every Democrat in the country flee from him, and the Clintons really stick the knife in his back a bunch of times, so he's able to really see who was loyal to him and who wasn't. That's a very useful thing in life."



http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)

By M.J. Rosenberg |

I just came across a troubling incident that Bob Woodward reports in his new book. Very troubling.

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On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.
>>>>

Keep adding - Did McAuliffe not bother securing the election process for 2002 and 2004 because he was focused on 2008 along with the rest of the Clinton team?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[Cleita]

37. Cool.

I know Kerry wasn't a DLC shill, but the candidate that they wanted who wouldn't get as many votes as Dean.

[blm]

41. Kerry won - probably by a landslide. Any ONE of them would've had those votes stolen.

Kerry got 10-15 million more votes than Gore did, so even if Dean got 11-16 million more votes than Gore, the criminally negligent DNC would have made sure the GOP was able to steal those votes, too.

The 4 years before election day was when 2004 was stolen.

[janx]

29. The Fairness Doctrine.

Both Gore and Dean abhor what our media have become.

[blm]

31. The corpmedia was dogging Kerry long before they went ugly on Dean -

I am surprised people still haven't seen the whole picture going on.

Kerry Seeks to Reverse FCC's "Wrongheaded Vote"

Commission Decision May Violate Laws Protecting Small Businesses; Kerry to File Resolution of Disapproval

Monday, June 2, 2003

WASHINGTON - Senator John Kerry today announced plans to file a "Resolution of Disapproval" as a means to overturn today's decision by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to raise media ownership caps and loosen various media cross-ownership rules.
Kerry will soon introduce the resolution seeking to reverse this action under the Congressional Review Act and Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act on the grounds that the decision may violate the laws intended to protect America's small businesses and allow them an opportunity to compete.

As Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, Kerry expressed concern that the FCC's decision will hurt localism, reduce diversity, and will allow media monopolies to flourish. This raises significant concerns about the potential negative impacts the decision will have on small businesses and their ability to compete in today's media marketplace.

In a statement released earlier today regarding the FCC's decision, Kerry said:

"Nothing is more important in a democracy than public access to debates and information, which lift up our discourse and give Americans an opportunity to make honest informed choices. Today's wrongheaded vote by the Republican members of the FCC to loosen media ownership rules shows a dangerous indifference to the consolidation of power in the hands of a few large entities rather than promoting diversity and independence at the local level. The FCC should do more than rubber stamp the business plans of narrow economic interests.

"Today's vote is a complete dereliction of duty. The Commissioners are well aware that these rules greatly influence the competitive structure of the industry and protect the public's access to multiple sources of information and media. It is the Commission's responsibility to ensure that the rules serve our national goals of diversity, competition, and localism in media. With today's vote, they shirked that responsibility and have dismissed any serious discussion about the impact of media consolidation on our own democracy."


And when it comes to backstabbing by the Dem establishment, Kerry was getting it from all ends -



This talk by historian Douglas Brinkley occurred in April 2004:

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

Whom does the biographer think his subject will pick as a running mate? Not Hillary Rodham Clinton. "There's really two different Democratic parties right now: there's the Clintons and Terry McAuliffe and the DNC and then there's the Kerry upstarts. John Kerry had one of the great advantages in life by being considered to get the nomination in December. He watched every Democrat in the country flee from him, and the Clintons really stick the knife in his back a bunch of times, so he's able to really see who was loyal to him and who wasn't. That's a very useful thing in life."
>>>>


http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)

By M.J. Rosenberg |

I just came across a troubling incident that Bob Woodward reports in his new book. Very troubling.

On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.

>>>>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[MisterP]

35. weren't the other candidates about to compare him to Osama too?

[calimary]

38. There was that, certainly. AND, I'm fairly well convinced that if the California primary

hadn't been so damned late in the game, there would have been a different standard-bearer at the end of the convention, and a different man in the Oval Office today. California was big on Howard Dean. I still voted for Dean in our primary, even though Kerry had clinched it.

[KittyWampus]

40. Stop lying. They gave Dean so much FAVORABLE exposure whilst proclaiming Kerry DOA

and ignoring Edwards and Clark.

I am so fucking sick of this bullshit revisionist history around Dean.

And furthermore, the opening post is bullshit as well because Dean doesn't say what Kpete claims.

[Cha]

5. WHOA! You know

the Dems in Congress aren't happy hearing that from our Doc Dean!

Don't they approve of who gives the Dem address? :)

[mlizotte]

7. media made dean look bad on purpose

i know people who worked on the dean campaign and they sad that the dean "scream" looked so bad on tv because the media lowered the background volume of all the screaming people supporting him but didn't then lower his volume, if he hadn't of been yelling into the microphone then no could have heard him there above the screams of his supporters, the media totally made him look bad on purpose

[RufusTFirefly]

10. Of course they did

It was such an obvious setup that it appalls me how readily people bought the "scream" meme.
Of course, it helps to see the clip incessantly and to be told what you're hearing.
The playing and re-playing of that non-moment was as excessive as almost anything I've seen.
He was like someone trying to sing with headphones on. It was so loud in there that he couldn't hear his own voice.

[Cha]

11. You speak the truth..we Deaniacs

sure knew about that. The corporatemediawhores were afraid to death of Dean and made sure he lost the Dem candidacy but we gained a Chairman of The Dem Party who has worked his butt off for the peeps.

Welcome to DU, mlizotte!

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[Merlot]

18. Nothing in this post has anything to do with immigration

Please stop posting this on all topics.

Rude!

[Cleita]

12. Welcome to DU.

It turns out that he criticized the media on Chris Matthew's show and after that they did everything to make him look like a crank. It was a very orchestrated railroading of his candidacy. The "Dean scream" was the finale that they were able to play 24/7 to discredit him. To me this almost amounts to treason, because they prevented the presidency of a man who could have gone a long way in undoing the Bush mess.

[madfloridian]

13. He said he would not have voted for that funding bill...

on Ed Schultz yesterday. But he was gracious, tried not to be too critical of them.

Stream from the show:
http://audio.wegoted.com/podcasting/060807DeanHoward.mp3

[Double T]

14. HD speaks the hard truth. The collective body of Congressional Democrats.......

are in the process of blowing their majority and also insuring the reelection of a heinous rethug president.

[Bitwit1234]

15. If republicans are voting against these bills and bush vetoing

I suppose if someone should suggest how the democrats can get a bill to stop the war passed, they (democrats) would be glad as heck to hear it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. But, but, but some of us got flamed when we said

exactly this...

Oh well

I guess I have to get to the place of Howard Dean

;-)

[pinto]

19. "one way to truly ensure we end this war" was to elect a Democrat as president in 2008.

Seems a strong statement of support for the party. As well as this:

(from the same article 'Dean: Democratic president would end war')

"Dean put the blame for the lack of progress squarely on the White House and congressional Republicans for blocking his party's attempt at tying war funding to deadlines for troop withdrawals."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070609/ap_on_go_co/democrats_iraq

[Cha]

25. Yes, that was

Good!

[Hamlette]

24. he completely contradicts himself.

I love Dean but first he says if we don't end the war we will be in the minority again (I interpret that to mean we will lose in 2008 which might not be what he is saying) but then he says the only way to end the war is to win the WH in 2008.

Is he being vague (contradictory?) to appeal to everyone?

[Zandor]

26. But he didn't say "Dems Have Thus Far Failed The Voters"

in the article linked, anyway.

[bvar22]

27. Except that some Democratic Candidates aren't planning on ending the WAR.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- If elected president, Sen. Hillary Clinton said, she would likely keep some U.S. forces in Iraq in a supporting role after 2009 because America has "a remaining military as well as a political mission" that requires a presence there.
However, in an interview with The New York Times published Thursday, Clinton said the American troops would not play a role in trying to curb sectarian violence.
Rather, they would be positioned north of Baghdad to combat terrorists, support the Kurds, counter any Iranian moves into Iraq and provide logistical, air and training support to the Iraqi government "if the Iraqis ever get their act together."


Obama outlined a plan for maintaining a U.S. presence in Iraq similar to Clinton's.
"Withdrawal would be gradual, and we'd keep some U.S. troops in the region to prevent a wide war, to go after al Qaeda and other terrorists," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/15/clinton.troops/index.html

This is the exact same military mission that bush* currently claims.


When your BIG MONEY comes from Wall St, MIC, and OIL, you have to do their bidding.

[NashVegas]

33. Elephant In the Room

Bush has gone public now, with the idea of permanent bases. Is anyone asking Dems their opinion on that one? Have any of them voluntarily come out against it?

[bvar22]

36. YES!!! One, and ONLY one candidate.

Dennis Kucinich!

Those Democratic candidates funded by Wall St, the MIC, and OIL have avoided making a specific statement about the Green Zone and Permanent Bases, but it is possible to be 100% certain that they plan on keeping those bases in order to enforce the PSA's.

[loyalkydem]

28. Ever notice

when some candidates try to open the country's eyes to the truth, the media and some of their fellow colleagues pounce on them right away?

It's not the democrats who do this, but the Republicans do that to their own too. John Kerry, Howard Dean and even Congressman Paul on the republican side have tried to open the country's eyes to the truth and look at what happening to them.

[NashVegas]

34. Dean 2004 = Ron Paul 2008

The media wouldn't pay Dean the slightest attention until September 2003, when his fundraising numbers became known.

Paul is the popular winner or near-winner of almost every Republican debate, but the media doesn't want to encourage what he's saying.


That said, I'd rather have had a President Dean than a President Paul. Much rather.

[KittyWampus]

39. Where does Dean say "Dems Have Thus Far Failed The Voters"?

Answer, he doesn't.

[donco6]

42. ? He's just saying we didn't spring for the whole package.

So it's our fault.

[OzarkDem]

43. Thank you Dr. Dean

I knew we could count on him to speak out. Wish he were running in 2008.