Vaccine center issues warning on new cervical cancer vaccine Gardasil

[elehhhhna]

Vaccine center issues warning
By Gregory Lopes
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
February 3, 2007


The National Vaccine Information Center yesterday warned state officials to investigate the safety of a breakthrough cancer vaccine as Texas became the first state to make the vaccine mandatory for school-age girls.
Negative side effects of Gardasil, a new Merck vaccine to prevent the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer, are being reported in the District of Columbia and 20 states, including Virginia. The reactions range from loss of consciousness to seizures.
"Young girls are experiencing severe headaches, dizziness, temporary loss of vision and some girls have lost consciousness during what appear to be seizures," said Vicky Debold, health policy analyst for the National Vaccine Information Center, a nonprofit watchdog organization that was created in the early 1980s to prevent vaccine injuries.
Following federal approval of the vaccine in July 2006, a storm of legislation was introduced across the nation that would make the vaccine mandatory in schools. The District and Virginia are part of a group of at least 17 states considering such legislation. A measure had been introduced in Maryland, but it was shelved last week over concerns about the mandatory language in the bill.
Yesterday, Texas Gov. Rick Perry signed an order making Texas the first state to require the vaccine. Girls ages 11 and 12 would receive the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine before entering the sixth grade starting in September 2008.

http://washingtontimes.com/business/20070202-100152-9747r.htm

[napi21]

1. What do we know about this Nat'l Vaccine Info Center?

I see the article is from the Wa. Times, so Ihave to question if this is just another RW fear tactic.

I'm not saying Merck is a group of superstars,but I can't believe they'd be pushing this new drug to be mandatory anywhere if the risk was anywhere near what this article is suggesting.

[iconoclastic cat]

2. Yeah, the BS detector is redlining. nt

[sharp_stick]

21. It should be red lining, this whole thing is crap

The moonie times and NVIC put out a press release pretending to be a serious rebuttal to the HPV vaccine and fail to put one single citation in the entire thing. What a pantload.

[AZBlue]

52. Yeah, especially since they don't even give numbers - how many "adverse reactions" have there been?

That's usually the first bit of info a group like this would offer up...if it were legit...

[pnwmom]

84. The NVIC reported numbers, they just weren't included

in that particular article.

http://www.ecanadanow.com/science/health/2007/02/03/group-says-gardasil-may-be-dangerous-and-expensive-as-a-mandatory-treatment

“GARDASIL safety appears to have been studied in fewer than 2,000 girls aged 9 to 15 years pre-licensure clinical trials and it is unclear how long they were followed up. VAERS is now receiving reports of loss of consciousness, seizures, arthritis and other neurological problems in young girls who have received the shot,” said NVIC President Barbara Loe Fisher. . . .

Between July 2006 and January 2007, there have been 82 reports of adverse events filed with VAERS following receipt of GARDASIL by girls and boys ranging in age from 11 to 27 years. Reaction reports have come from 21 states, including Virginia and the District of Columbia. All but three of the reports were for adverse events which occurred within one week of vaccination and more than 60 percent occurred within 24 hours of vaccination.

SNIP

VAERS reports also indicate the doctors are administering GARDASIL to girls and women at the same with Tdap, DT, meningococcal (Menactra), hepatitis A, and other vaccines, even though the Merck product insert states that, with the exception of hepatitis B vaccine, “Co-administration of GARDASIL with other vaccines has not been studied.” There is no publicly available information about how many of the 9 to 15 year old girls in Merck’s pre- licensure clinical trials received GARDASIL simultaneously with hepatitis B vaccine.

SNIP

Merck also states that “The duration of immunity following a complete schedule of immunization with GARDASIL has not been established.”

_________

The American Academy of Pediatricans is advocating a "go slow" approach on the vaccine, since larger scale studies were not done before the vaccine's release.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=128966&mesg_id=128966

[Kagemusha]

3. I know internationally the vaccine has been regarded as totally safe

So I wonder what the hell this is all about. But, not being a doctor, I'll just take a wide berth and wait for the professionals to assess the truth.

[pnwmom]

34. Internationally, a drug called Thalidomide was once regarded as totally safe,

even for pregnant women. That's why in Europe they had so many more "Thalidomide babies," born with missing limbs. We had a very cautious head of the FDA in those years.

[Warpy]

66. NEVER IN THE USA!

Remember, the FDA stopped it in the US even before rules on testing new drugs were stiffened.

Few pregnant women in the US took that drug. The few who did got it from Europe.

[pnwmom]

85. Right. The few American victims got it in Canada or Europe.

[kestrel91316]

70. The vaccine has undergone years of testing. NO WAY it suddenly

causes severe side effects (and what sounds to me like simple hysteria) all of a sudden.

This sounds like BS from the anti-vaccine camp.

[pnwmom]

87. No, it's the position of the American Academy of Pediatricians,

due to the fact that larger scale studies have not yet been carried out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=128966&mesg_id=128966

[Midlodemocrat]

107. Actually, that is incorrect.

The AAP just recently decided to include it in the 2007 schedule of immunizations.


http://www.news-medical.net/?id=21294

[Mandate My Ass]

5. I checked it out on Wiki and a few other sites

It's a parent led organization that seems legit. Too bad. This vaccine could save lives.

[Warpy]

23. The Wiki entry on them is flattering

but a visit to the site itself reveals a woo-woo organization that promotes hysteria among parents over vaccinating their children against just about everything.

Given the churchy opposition to this vaccine from it's earliest testing stages, I sincerely doubt the good puppy FDA would have been brib...er, persuaded to approve it were it to have a tenth of these reactions.

[Tesha]

37. This is exactly the sort of Article where Wiki is unreliable.

> The Wiki entry on them is flattering

Just FYI: This is exactly the sort of Article where
Wiki is unreliable.

The Free Republic article doesn't say all the bad
stuff about FR either, because there are "defenders"
who simply won't allow it.

Tesha

[AZBlue]

54. They probably wrote their own wiki article.

That's why it's such an unreliable site.

[Tesha]

106. Not all articles are unreliable. But look at the History.

> They probably wrote their own wiki article.
>
> That's why it's such an unreliable site.

Not all articles are unreliable. But look at the History
and look at the other contributions by the various editors;
this article is clearly in a state of flux/turbulence.

Tesha

[iverglas]

111. Are Vaccines Medical Genocide???

Hey, just askin'. ;)

Actually, it wasn't me:

http://www.energywave.com/lifestyle-survival-issues/vaccines/is-vaccination-genocide.htm

MANDATORY VACCINATION IS MEDICAL GENOCIDE

by Dr. Grady A. Deal, Ph.D., D.C.

June 17, 1996

Taking vaccines made from blood of humans, aborted fetuses, diseased pigs and monkeys, mercury, aluminum and formaldehyde is a violation of God's law and more of a cause of disease than a cure. First Corinthians 3:16-17 and Deuteronomy 14:3 and 24:21 warns us not to defile the temple of God, our bodies, with anything unclean, which includes poisonous vaccines purposely designed to make us sick and dependent and to destroy the biological integrity and immuno- competence of the human race.

Clinton, the ultimate Establishment degenerent {"degenerent"?}, is now pushing his 100% vaccination agenda - all in the name of protecting the health and welfare of the public. Setting themselves up as gods, Clinton and his toadies are forcing you to allow the innocent flesh of your children to be defiled with vaccines containing pus, filth and decaying blood of humans, unborn babies and animals, and only then, after the health of your loved ones is compromised, can they enter the sanctuary of the government controlled schools, which, continues the next step in the program of destruction of body, mind and spirit.

Eustace Mullins in his book, Murder by Injection says, "Under the leadership of the nation's two most notorious quacks, Simmons and Fishbein (directors of the American Medical Association), a gigantic nationwide drug operation was perfected....Today, we suffer from a host of debilitating ailments, both mental and physical, nearly all of which can be traced directly to the operations of the chemical and drug (and vaccine) monopoly, and which pose the greatest threat to our continued existence as a nation."

The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) operated by Dissatisfied Parents Together (DPT)…charges that they have obtained evidence through the Freedom of Information Act that the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is failing to properly monitor reports of deaths and injuries following vaccination and that doctors around the country are failing to report deaths and injuries which occur after vaccination. Government bureau-rats report only 144 deaths annually associated with vaccines but NVIC-DPT found an estimated 5,760 deaths each year caused by vaccines. 159 doctors' offices in seven states were surveyed by NVIC-DPT. In New York, only one out of 40 doctors' offices confirmed that they report a death or injury following vaccination. This shameful cover-up of vaccine caused injury and death by doctors around the country and the federal government is why more and more parents are losing faith in mandatory vaccination. The doctors do not want to be sued for vaccine injury; they are pressured by medical Establishment to look the other way; and
government goons sanction this form of legalized murder.

5,760 deaths, they kid you not. And we know whom to blame.

Bureau-rats ... they related to Demo-rats??



Oh good grief; Dr. Grady A. Deal is a Canadian ... Peterborough is a small city about an hour from Toronto ...

http://www.healthwatcher.net/chirowatch.com/Chiro-anti-vax/ptw001101szalay.html

Anti-vaccine chiropractor featured in Peterborough newspaper
Would you agree with these statements?

* Measles is a mild disease
* Perhaps it's not wise to vaccinate children
* Vaccines cause SIDS
* Hepatitis B vaccines cause diabetes
* If I had kids they would not be immunized

Did one of Peterborough's newest chiropractors know that it's against the official policies and guidelines of the College of Chiropractors of Ontario to advocate publicly against immunization?

Apparently the staff of Peterborough This Week trusted the knowledge of their regular Health Matters columnist, Colette Szalay to know those guidelines..

Unfortunately for her, and for many other licensed chiropractors in this Province, they either don't know, or have ignored those CCO codes.

A little more from that site:

Evangelical PhD chiropractor accuses us of genocide

Dr. Grady A. Deal, Ph.D., D.C. is a holistic, nutritional chiropractor with a Ph.D. in psychological counseling. Dr. Deal is founder-director of Hawaiian Wellness Holiday, a health vacation program on beautiful Kauai, and he is author of Dr. Deal's Delicious Detox Diet, Weight Loss, Wellness Lifestyle, Dr. Deal's Delicious Recipes and Dr. Deal's Holistic Chiropractic Examination Protocol books.

It must be nice to have experts like that on one's side!

[Warpy]

113. HAHAHA!! Thanks! I'd like to tell the good doctor

that measles is a mild disease until it turns into turns into encephalopathy, which it did in my case. I also lost a playmate in that epidemic.

[iverglas]

118. I remember polio

A kid in my neighbourhood was in an iron lung but I think survived; I was in kindergarten in the 50s, around the end of that epidemic, and I remember not being allowed to swim. Being a kid was complicated then -- people think it is now, with no dodgeball and evil strangers lurking at every playground, but disease was ever present for us oldsters. I clearly recall warnings about TB when a kid at the playground vomited and my parents were insisting I stay off the slide he had been on, for instance. I also got re-vaccinated about 20 years ago on a visit to my parents the old home town in southern Ontario, which had apparently experienced an outbreak, and was inviting everyone in the city to go to public clinics and get boosted. It's damned easy to get complacent, and not wise.

I was lucky with measles, although I had 'em more than once and ended up not immune (and got a shot when I was about 30 so I wouldn't be a danger to my potentially prego friends, even though I'm probably allergic to the chicken embryo in the serum or whatever it is). I was really, really sick both times; so delerious I apparently summoned my mother in the middle of the night to bring me a cold washcloth because "I gotta clean up this room". That's when my mother knew I wasn't right in the head.

I survived bad pneumonia at seven because of antibiotics. My grandmother's first child didn't survive plain old strep throat 35 years earlier -- because penecillin hadn't been discovered yet. Two weeks of holding a dying child and not able to do anything.

Large portions of my mother's father's family (I have discovered through recent genealogical research) died of TB in the last 3 decades of the 19th century. It's a miracle I, or any of us, is here today, in fact, given death rates, especially infant mortality rates, only 150 years ago. Imagine if we didn't have penecillin today, and everything that has come after it.

Some people have allergic, potentially fatal reactions to penecillin. Imagine if that fact had prevented it getting to market.

While trying to figure out what it was that had killed off that clan of my ancestors, I investigated smallpox vaccination and epidemics in Europe in the 19th century. The similarities here are striking, obviously not in terms of the potential devastation, but certainly in terms of the anti-scientific responses.

[pnwmom]

26. It's a group that pushed for a safer pertussis vaccine

until we finally got one.

My sister died of encephalitis after receiving the old vaccine -- the risk of the old vaccine was always real, but the government didn't want to admit it until they had a substitute.

[tavalon]

122. NVIC are the good guys

I've personally worked with them. They have legitimate concerns and while this vaccine is possibly an important, nay, the most important vaccine ever, it is being pushed too hard, too quick and may come back to bite us in the ass. No vaccine should be used in a cookie cutter fashion and mandatory vaccination causes just that sort of thing.

My child will never have a normal life because of poorly administered and timed vaccinations. Yeah, most kids are fine but they are cranking these things out really quickly these days and a vaccine trial is often less than 6 weeks and that just isn't enough time to determine safety. I know we all want our children to be protected from cervical cancer but at what longterm cost? We don't even know what the potential problems with this vaccine might be.

[Tesha]

4. Note that this is from a (dubious) organization

The "National Vaccine Information Center" is an
advocay group formed by people who think that
autism is caused by vaccination.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Information_Center

And here's the reaction that these folks are helping to support:

http://www.waxahachiedailylight.com/articles/2007/02/04/dailylight/opinion/editorials/column1.txt

Tesha

[Tesha]

6. Here's their complete Press Release

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/02-01-2007/0004518488&EDATE=

HPV Vaccine Mandates Risky and Expensive

Vaccine Safety Group Finds Serious Reactions, High Costs

VIENNA, Va., Feb. 1 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The National Vaccine
Information Center (NVIC), the nation's leading vaccine safety and informed
consent advocacy organization, is urging state legislatures to investigate
the safety and cost of mandating Merck's HPV vaccine (GARDASIL) for all
pre- adolescent girls before introducing legislation amending state vaccine
laws. In an analysis of reports made to the federal Vaccine Adverse Event
Reporting System (VAERS) since the CDC's July 2006 universal use
recommendation for all young girls, NVIC found reports of loss of
consciousness, seizures, joint pain and Guillain-Barre Syndrome. In a
separate evaluation of costs for young girls being vaccinated in private
pediatrician offices, NVIC discovered that parents living in the
Washington, D.C. area will be paying between $500 and $900 to have their
daughters receive three doses of GARDASIL.

"GARDASIL safety appears to have been studied in fewer than 2,000 girls
aged 9 to 15 years pre-licensure clinical trials and it is unclear how long
they were followed up. VAERS is now receiving reports of loss of
consciousness, seizures, arthritis and other neurological problems in young
girls who have received the shot," said NVIC President Barbara Loe Fisher.
"At the same time, parents who take their daughters to private
pediatricians are going to be shocked to find that they will be paying two
to three times the widely publicized $360 cost for the three-dose series.
The cost is going to break the pocketbooks of parents and break the banks
of both insurance companies and taxpayers, when the reality is that almost
all cases of HPV- associated cervical cancer can be prevented with annual
pap screening of girls who are sexually active."

Between July 2006 and January 2007, there have been 82 reports of
adverse events filed with VAERS following receipt of GARDASIL by girls and
boys ranging in age from 11 to 27 years. Reaction reports have come from 21
states, including Virginia and the District of Columbia. All but three of
the reports were for adverse events which occurred within one week of
vaccination and more than 60 percent occurred within 24 hours of
vaccination.

"The most frequent serious health events after GARDASIL shots are
neurological symptoms," said NVIC Health Policy Analyst Vicky Debold, RN,
Ph.D. "These young girls are experiencing severe headaches, dizziness,
temporary loss of vision, slurred speech, fainting, involuntary contraction
of limbs (seizures), muscle weakness, tingling and numbness in the hands
and feet and joint pain. Some of the girls have lost consciousness during
what appears to be seizures." Debold added "The manufacturer product insert
should include mention of syncopal episodes, seizures and Guillain-Barre
Syndrome so doctors and parents are aware these vaccine adverse responses
have been associated with the vaccine."

VAERS reports also indicate the doctors are administering GARDASIL to
girls and women at the same with Tdap, DT, meningococcal (Menactra),
hepatitis A, and other vaccines, even though the Merck product insert
states that, with the exception of hepatitis B vaccine, "Co-administration
of GARDASIL with other vaccines has not been studied." There is no publicly
available information about how many of the 9 to 15 year old girls in
Merck's pre- licensure clinical trials received GARDASIL simultaneously
with hepatitis B vaccine.

Although approximately half of all families in the U.S. select a
pediatrician in private practice to provide their children routine care,
including vaccinations, children can receive government subsidized reduced
cost or free vaccinations in public health clinics through the Vaccines for
Children program if they cannot afford to pay for vaccinations administered
by private pediatricians. NVIC's survey of four private pediatric practices
in the Virginia suburbs of Washington, D.C. found that parents could be
charged anywhere from $525 to $930 for three GARDASIL shots depending upon
whether the child was a first-time or current patient. Costs for the
vaccine plus an administration fee ranged from $140 to $275 per shot with
an additional office visit charge that fluctuated between $35 and $185
depending upon whether a nurse or doctor saw the child.

HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection in the U.S. and
most persons naturally clear the infection from the body without symptoms.
However, many years of chronic HPV infection is associated with a higher
risk of pre- cancerous changes in the cervix that can lead to cancer unless
diagnosed and treated promptly. High risk factors for chronic HPV infection
include smoking, long-term use of oral contraceptives and co-infection with
HIV, herpes and chlamydia. There has been a more than 70 percent drop in
cervical cancer deaths in American women since the 1950's due to routine
pap smears and nearly all cervical cancers can be prevented with regular
pap smear screening and treatment.

In its product manufacturer insert, Merck states that "Vaccination does
not substitute for routine cervical cancer screening. Women who receive
GARDASIL should continue to undergo cervical cancer screening per standard
of care." Merck also states that "The duration of immunity following a
complete schedule of immunization with GARDASIL has not been established."

For more information about HPV infection and GARDASIL safety, including
NVIC's five-page report on GARDASIL adverse event reports to VAERS as well
as a direct link to VAERS reports, go to NVIC's website at
http://www.nvic.org.

SOURCE National Vaccine Information Center

[seabeyond]

7. NOTE: why the hell dont we wait for results instead of trusting govt and drug co.

i was on a thread over the weekend that had people ranting at those of us that take parenting sriously and have issue with a new drug being manditory for our children. people insisting that we must want pure girls or other hog wash to even question this vaccination......

our childrens health is NOT a political fuckin issue

i am so tired of this shit of battlin sides and dumping common sense. of dictating to a parent how to parent without going byond what repercussions may be.

if there is even a CHANCE of harm to my daughter then screw the mandatory or at least until we have a better understanding. how unreasonable is that

wasnt there a new law passed where a drug co cannot be sued for side effects of vaccination? and then here comes this vaccination, mandatory for our daughters, and a parent has NO repercussion against a co. that is out for the $, not my daughters health and welfare

if i had a daughter

[Tesha]

12. I wonder...

> if there is even a CHANCE of harm to my daughter then
> screw the mandatory or at least until we have a better
> understanding. how unreasonable is that

I wonder: Would you be willing to allow your (hypothetical)
daughter to ride in private cars?

*EVERYTHING* has risks, and we all make risk/benefit
tradeoffs every moment of every day. Whackjob groups
like the NVIC just hope you'll be confused about the
risk/benefit tradeoffs with vaccines.

Tesha

[seabeyond]

15. or drug co. and repugs will be thrilled dems will blindly embrace without

adequate research and trail..... because "Whackjob groups
like the NVIC just hope you'll be confused about risk/benefit tradeoffs with vaccines."

with a law stating the pharmaceutical companies have no liability and they are going to make a butt load of money off our own ignorance

[Tesha]

121. I notice you didn't answer my question about riding in cars. (NT)

[pnwmom]

32. "Whackjobs" like the NVIC? Do you really know anything about them

or are you just spouting off?

It's a perfectly legitimate organization, and millions of children now have a safer DPT vaccine thanks to their efforts.

[Tesha]

108. Uh-huh.

> It's a perfectly legitimate organization, ...

Uh-huh.

Tesha

[Horse with no Name]

13. I haven't seen the actual legislation

But I did hear one person this morning that was pro-vaccine say that opting out of the vaccine is a possibility, but I don't know the exact details.
The thing about it being mandatory though, insures that it WILL be funded for all girls. That is important.

[napi21]

24. Ya know, I was a little kid when mandatory TB & Polio vaccines

began. If you're not pretty old, you don't remember how wide spread those diseases were. I also remember not being allowed to start school unless I had the scar to prove I had gotten a smallpox vaccine treatment. I suppose, if you checked closely, you'd find there were a few adverse effects from those too, but those 3 diseases are almost totally eliminated! That's a GOOD THING folks!

[Warpy]

68. I had polio when I was two and was one of the first groups

of kids used as guinea pigs for the Salk vaccine a couple of years later.

When the Sabin vaccine came out, my mother insisted on that one, too.

Even though I had a lifetime immunity conferred by early exposure, my mother signed me up for every vaccine program that came to whatever town we were in.

That's how bad polio was.


(On edit: There is no vaccine for TB. Polio will never be eliminated because the virus is a stable one that exists in soil and water. Smallpox was a very fragile virus that lived at most a few hours on surfaces under very carefully controlled temperature and humidity. Stores in weapons labs (ugh) are grown on human tissue, which is the only way it can survive. If we eliminated the two weapons labs, here and in Russia, the disease would be completely gone.)

[Tesha]

99. Actually, we're closing in on eliminating Polio worldwide.

> Polio will never be eliminated because the virus is
> a stable one that exists in soil and water.

Actually, we're closing in on eliminating Polio worldwide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliomyelitis#Recent Eradication efforts

Tesha

[pnwmom]

28. I completely agree. The finally stage of drug testing is not complete

until the drug (or vaccine) is actually released to the public. Only after millions of people are using it do we discover some of the problems.

If you want to be a drug company's guinea pig, then use a new drug. Otherwise, wait for a few years until it has a record.

[kestrel91316]

71. Results of testing showed it was safe and effective. So the FDA

approved it.

IMHO the hysteria is all THEATER, designed to slander the company and get the vaccine pulled so HPV continues to be a killer. RW propaganda.

[diamidue]

80. RW Propaganda?

Help me with the logic here. The FDA came out in favor of this vaccine. The fundies (among others) oppose it.

FDA: right
Fundies: wrong

Are you forgetting that this same FDA rejected over-the-counter availability of emergency contraception?

Was the FDA right or wrong there? Certainly the fundies thought it was RIGHT.

So the fundies have both agreed with and disagreed with the FDA. How does that make their disagreement over this vaccine into some sort of a fundie plot?


http://maroon.uchicago.edu/viewpoints/articles/2004/05/21/bush_appointee_is_ha.php

[pnwmom]

98. That kind of logic kills me, and I see it so often.

Whatever the topic -- if the right wing or fundies think so-and-so, then WE must think the opposite. Even if they happen to be right, for once! Why do we have to be such knee-jerk thinkers?

Sometimes the right wing actually gets something right. Usually, for the wrong reasons -- but they may still be correct, as in this case. We should think twice before always jumping to the opposite side.

[pnwmom]

88. The American Academy of Pediatrics is urging a "go slow" approach

on the vaccine, because larger scale studies have NOT been carried out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=128966&mesg_id=128966

[knitter4democracy]

95. Smart. They've been burned before.

There is a vaccine against rotovirus that is still used in poorer areas but has a higher rate of complications than most are comfortable with here that the AAP promoted heavily in the late 80's, early 90's, somewhere around there. Then there was the vaccine that was supposed to cure ear infections that didn't--but was sold to parents as such and heavily pushed by doctors around 1999-2000. The AAP has been burned enough recently to know that going slowly and keeping track of adverse reactions is the smart way to go.

[Horse with no Name]

115. The vaccine is improved and being used widely now

It is on the list of AAP recommended vaccines, as is the HPV.
Also--the thread she links to has been thoroughly debunked.

[knitter4democracy]

120. True, but the FDA does have some disclaimers itself.

"The safety of the vaccine was evaluated in approximately 11,000 individuals. Most adverse experiences in study participants who received Gardasil included mild or moderate local reactions, such as pain or tenderness at the site of injection.

The manufacturer has agreed to conduct several studies following licensure, including additional studies to further evaluate general safety and long-term effectiveness. The manufacturer will also monitor the pregnancy outcomes of women who receive Gardasil while unknowingly pregnant. Also, the manufacturer has an ongoing study to evaluate the safety and effectiveness of Gardasil in males."
http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2006/NEW01385.html

I know that would make me a bit nervous about giving it to my daughter. We don't know pregnancy outcomes? We don't know if it needs a booster? We don't know how safe it is long-term?

Granted, I'm biased because my kids tend to get the adverse reactions to their immunizations. Both kids stopped sleeping through the night after their first round of shots, and both get the fevers, swelling at the injection site, and sleeplessness every time they get their shots. The older they get, the lesser their symptoms, so I'm considering giving the Gardasil to my daughter when she's old enough, but I'll also have time to see how things go in the general population.

[Horse with no Name]

114. Debunked.

Thoroughly. ONE DOCTOR. Not the AAP.

[pnwmom]

27. No, it was formed by people concerned about the risks of

the old DTP vaccination, which was known to cause deaths from encephalitis. The dispute was in how often the most serious side effects occurred, and whether the number of deaths was justified compared to the number of lives saved by the vaccine. And in whether there could be other, unknown forms of neurological damage related to the vaccine.

My baby sister died of encephalitis after she received her DPT vaccine. My son and a niece had seizures after theirs. She still has epilepsy. Any connection? No one knows.

We should all be thanking the NVIC, because their efforts prodded the government to encourage the drug companies to develop a safer vaccine. And because of NVIC, people injured by vaccines can now receive compensation.

From the wikipedia article that you cited:
National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act
NVIC worked with federal legislators to help create and pass the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986. The law included legal requirements for vaccine makers to provide benefit and risk information to parents before children are vaccinated, keep written records of vaccine manufacturer names and lot numbers for each vaccination given, and report adverse events following vaccination to the government. The law also preserved the right for vaccine injured persons to file lawsuits if federal compensation is denied or inadequate. By 2004, the U.S. Court of Claims had awarded over 1,200 vaccine victims $1.5 billion dollars for vaccine injuries.

[BlackVelvet04]

8. I never trust anything like this that the

government makes mandatory. I remember the swine flu vaccine.

[butterfly77]

25. I have a daughter and she is past the age ...

for which is mandatory and I told her the other day about it and she just shook her head. I told her if she was of that age, she wouldn't be getting it. These people are using them as guinea pigs, and then when they are older they will tell us about side effects etc... I don't care what they say about the flu shot when I took it I got the flu.

[BlackVelvet04]

41. When people took the swine flu shot quite a few died.

The FDA sucks.

[pnwmom]

29. So do I. Two days after I got my shot, there were several cases of

paralysis in my area. And the rest of us had to wait for a few weeks before we were out of the clear.

[Justitia]

9. The Washington Times???? The Moonie Times???? Egads.

BTW, I pass out when I get needles too, I have vaso-vagel syndrome. Inconvenient & embarrassing, but not harmful.

Note that this "press release" says cervical cancer can be PREVENTED by pap smears, yeah, real medical science there!

[seabeyond]

10. just an egads!!! or a maybe we oughta make sure this vaccination is safe n/t

[kestrel91316]

73. Greetings from another long-time "fainter"!!!

:hi:

[Justitia]

78. God, isn't it awful??? I actually pass out when my son gets needles. -eom

[kestrel91316]

83. I managed to get over it enough to practice vet medicine, lol,

but when I am on the receiving end of ANY medical procedure I am likely to faint. I always warn the doctors to have the smelling salts at the ready, and then when it happens they act like they've never seen anybody faint before, or heard of such a thing................

[Justitia]

89. One of my docs does something very effective, he has his nurse

rub, lightly scratch and pat my skin on the opposite arm while giving me the shot. He told me for victims of vaso-vagel that it "disburses" the nerve sensations so they are not concentrated where you are getting the needle / injection. This actually works very well most of the time (the deeper ones, not so much).

But, when I see my son get needles (he gets a lot, both needles and IVs), I still get faint and sometimes pass out. In fact, sometimes I have made him scoot over in his hospital bed and have climbed in with him to keep from hitting the floor!

[kestrel91316]

119. "...lightly scratch and pat my skin on the opposite arm...."

That's very interesting. Almost like acupuncture................

I think it distracts the brain.

[Horse with no Name]

11. Considering how hard these fundie conservatives fought to keep this off the market

I have no doubt that RW rags (such as the Washington Times) will be trying to discredit the vaccine.
I have thought seriously about this and have come to the conclusion that although I equate Gov. Goodhair with a raging case of pus-filled hemmorhoids...I am glad he made it mandatory--for whatever reason.
The vaccine is very expensive and making it mandatory insures that insurance companies, health departments and Medicaid MUST cover the cost. I would hate to think that because of the expense, that all Texas girls wouldn't be able to have access to it.

[Ian David]

14. Not a credible organization, and not a credible newspaper. n/t

[pnwmom]

30. It is a credible organization. Thanks to its efforts, we now

have a much safer DPT vaccine. I wish that organization had been around before my sister died from the old one.

[diamidue]

63. Read what the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons

have to say then:

http://www.aapsonline.org/nod/newsofday392.php
They are very concerned about how this vaccine was pushed with the help of lobbying. Also, the costs to the families who get this vaccine may be much higher than thought:

"Pediatricians and gynecologists have been refusing to stock Gardasil because of the $360 price for three doses and “totally inadequate insurance reimbursement.” Most will give patients a prescription to get filled and bring back, but the cost to the patient is far more (AP 2/3/07).

According to the National Vaccine Information Center, a survey of pediatric practices in Virginia revealed that parents could be charged between $525 and $930 for the series of shots".

If this is the case, who is going to be stuck with the bill for vaccinating tens of millions of girls in this country?

[michaz]

16. This vaccine has not been out long enough to know.

Side effects always take a while to determine. I never take any drug or vaccine if it has not been out for a long time. I have seen what can happen otherwise.

[seabeyond]

18. well now you gotta. cause govt says so. and screw the repercussions to

daughter if there is any because after all as a poster says shit happens, risk in all things

[Justitia]

19. Not true at all. You can OPT OUT. Please don't spread disinformation. -eom

[pnwmom]

33. You'd think some of these people have never heard of drug recalls.

[demrabble]

17. The Moonie Times

I'm not surprised that the newspaper owned by the Rev. Sun Yung Moon would publish such drivel.

It has not credibility.

[pnwmom]

56. Here are some facts from a non Moonie source.

http://www.ecanadanow.com/science/health/2007/02/03/group-says-gardasil-may-be-dangerous-and-expensive-as-a-mandatory-treatment/

“GARDASIL safety appears to have been studied in fewer than 2,000 girls aged 9 to 15 years pre-licensure clinical trials and it is unclear how long they were followed up. VAERS is now receiving reports of loss of consciousness, seizures, arthritis and other neurological problems in young girls who have received the shot,” said NVIC President Barbara Loe Fisher. . . .

Between July 2006 and January 2007, there have been 82 reports of adverse events filed with VAERS following receipt of GARDASIL by girls and boys ranging in age from 11 to 27 years. Reaction reports have come from 21 states, including Virginia and the District of Columbia. All but three of the reports were for adverse events which occurred within one week of vaccination and more than 60 percent occurred within 24 hours of vaccination.

“The most frequent serious health events after GARDASIL shots are neurological symptoms,” said NVIC Health Policy Analyst Vicky Debold, RN, Ph.D. “These young girls are experiencing severe headaches, dizziness, temporary loss of vision, slurred speech, fainting, involuntary contraction of limbs (seizures), muscle weakness, tingling and numbness in the hands and feet and joint pain. Some of the girls have lost consciousness during what appears to be seizures.” Debold added “The manufacturer product insert should include mention of syncopal episodes, seizures and Guillain-Barre Syndrome so doctors and parents are aware these vaccine adverse responses have been associated with the vaccine.”


SNIP

High risk factors for chronic HPV infection include smoking, long-term use of oral contraceptives and co-infection with HIV, herpes and chlamydia. There has been a more than 70 percent drop in cervical cancer deaths in American women since the 1950’s due to routine pap smears and nearly all cervical cancers can be prevented with regular pap smear screening and treatment.

SNIP

Merck also states that “The duration of immunity following a complete schedule of immunization with GARDASIL has not been established.”

[iverglas]

112. for the love of mike, that's not "a source"

That's an electronic media outlet that has published a report ABOUT the NVIC's attempt to raise a stink. You seem to have missed the first paragraph:

The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), the nation’s leading vaccine safety and informed consent advocacy organization, is urging state legislatures to investigate the safety and cost of mandating Merck’s HPV vaccine (GARDASIL) for all pre- adolescent girls before introducing legislation amending state vaccine laws. In an analysis of reports made to the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) since the CDC’s July 2006 universal use recommendation for all young girls, NVIC found reports of loss of consciousness, seizures, joint pain and Guillain-Barre Syndrome. In a separate evaluation of costs for young girls being vaccinated in private pediatrician offices, NVIC discovered that parents living in the Washington, D.C. area will be paying between $500 and $900 to have their daughters receive three doses of GARDASIL.

and disregarded the fact that the first paragraph you quoted is simply a reproduction of something said by an NVIC spokesperson -- it's in quotation marks, it isn't some sort of actual news.

It's obviously lifted straight from the press release, given as how the NVIC is not "the nation's" leading anything IN CANADA, the home of the site in question.

Another recent headline from eCanadaNow:
http://www.ecanadanow.com/ entertainment/2006/12/08/ britney-spears-abusing-drugs/

...

[Vektor]

20. Yet no evidence of this in clinical trials? I don't buy it. If it were that common,

the problem would have occurred in the experimental phase of this drug - it was trialled heavily and extensively before being put on the market.


Sounds like more bad press from paranoid fundies to me.

Plus, even if the side effects mentioned WERE happening, they likely are transient effects and not nearly as bad as cancer would be. Though a moot point, because it's unlikely this story is true.

Also the Washington Times? :rofl: Whatta rag!

[pnwmom]

31. Why do you think we hear about so many drug recalls, with all this

extensive testing that the government requires?

Because drugs are actually released without as much testing as before. The government is relying on doctors to file adverse effects reports, with the intention of pulling the drugs off the market if they are deemed unsafe after release. Any time you take a new drug or use a new vaccine, you're a guinea pig for the pharmaceutical industry.

[tavalon]

123. Yep, our children are the unwitting test subjects

Most of them are just fine. My child is damaged for life. Oh well, collateral damage. It happens in Iraq and it happens in vaccinated children. You would not believe how short and preliminary vaccine studies are these days. Much more money was spent covering up the thimerosal fuckup than was ever spent doing the original research that might have uncovered that little problem. What? You never heard about the thimerosal problem? See, it worked.

And for any of you who want to tell me you "don't believe" that there are any problems with vaccines, it isn't about belief or non-belief, it's about facts and I have a much better grip on them than you do. You didn't do the 2 years of extensive research that I did.

I hope this vaccine ends up being all it's supposed to be and doesn't have that many adverse effects. I do think it should be tested for a lot longer on consenting adults rather than using our children as the guinea pigs once again.

[Midlodemocrat]

38. Yup. What you said.

[pnwmom]

90. There haven't been any larger scale studies, according to

the American Academy of Pediatrics. They urge a "go slow" approach on the vaccine, with more observation before it is made mandatory. Or would you rather trust Bush's FDA and the Merck company?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=128966&mesg_id=128966

[Midlodemocrat]

96. Why does it always come down to this?

Why do people on this board instantly jump to the conclusion that posters who disagree with them are Bush supporters?

Have you lost anyone to cervical cancer? If not, STFU. Don't get the fucking vaccine. I plan to get it for my daughters because even if it has side effects like those listed, they are a fuck lot better than dying from cervical cancer.

God, the ignorance is astonishing here sometimes.

[pnwmom]

100. I didn't accuse anyone of being a Bush supporter.

I was pointing out that the FDA under Bush isn't very reliable -- I wouldn't trust them. That's an entirely different thing.

I haven't lost anyone to cervical cancer, but I lost a sister to a vaccine reaction. My mother has had to live with the knowledge that she brought her healthy baby in for the DPT vaccine that killed her.

I can certainly see why someone in your family would be grateful for the HPV vaccine and willing to take the risk. But I don't think the vaccine should be made mandatory, at least in the absence of large scale studies. And you apparently think this is ignorant of me, but I'm going to listen to the American Academy of Pediatrics, who in the absence of large scale studies, is urging a "go slow" approach on the vaccine.

[Mandate My Ass]

22. Mostly pain and rash at injection site. Only multiple vaccinations

given at the same time caused the more severe reactions noted in the press release, according to the NVIC web site.

[pnwmom]

35. Why on earth would any DU'er trust Bush's FDA?

It's beyond me.

[kestrel91316]

74. I guarantee you most of the REAL SCIENTISTS at the FDA are not

Bush fans.

They know idiocy when they see it.

[pnwmom]

91. I guarantee you that the real scientists at the FDA

are relatively powerless.

The real doctors of the American Academy of Pediatrics say there hasn't been enough testing for the vaccine to be made mandatory. I'm going to trust them.

[alfredo]

36. On the view Rosie Pointed out that Rick Perry's former

chief of staff is a lobbyist for Merck, the company that make Gardasil.

[high density]

39. I wish you'd specified Washington Times in the title

and saved myself a click. :)

[pnwmom]

92. You could have read the same thing in many other sources.

For example, the Baltimore Sun, which reported that the American Academy of Pediatrics doesn't support making the vaccine mandatory because larger scale safety studies have not been done.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=128966&mesg_id=128966

[Horse with no Name]

116. Why are you spreading this disinformation?

We debunked your claims soundly.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

40. This topic brings out the kooks.

Some people are upset because they thing a cervical cancer vaccine's going to turn their daughters into whores.

Some people are upset because Merck's going to make a profit.

Both, it would appear, feel fine with making up bullshit about the vaccine's safety. At the expense of the health of girls.

[pnwmom]

44. No drug that has JUST been released can be regarded as completely safe.

The FDA made a deliberate decision years ago to release drugs sooner in the testing process, and to withdraw them if adverse effects show up in the broader population. That's why we have so many more drug recalls those days. And it's why many doctors recommend that their patients wait a few years before using drugs that have just come onto the market. Not everyone wants to be a guinea pig.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

46. Blah blah blah.

The fundies say the same thing.

[pnwmom]

58. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

59. A broken clock...

is useless garbage.

[diamidue]

42. Will require 3 pregnancy tests

- one before each of the three dosages. It is not known whether Gardasil can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman OR if it can affect reproductive activity. Women of childbearing age will be required to undergo urine pregnancy testing before each dose & if they are pregnant, they will not be allowed to finish the vaccine.

It has also not been evaluated for its potential to cause carcinogenicity or genotoxicity.

The majority of those getting the vaccine report no discomfort up-front, but I don't see a problem in looking into possible longer-term reactions before this is made mandatory.

The pharmaceutical company's literature on this drug:
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf

[Justitia]

43. Question for the anti-cervical cancer vaccine folks: Are your kids vaccinated against Hepatitis B?

I'm just curious. There was a bit of a brouhaha over that when it first came out about 30+ yrs ago. Seems like the same groups were against that too (fundies + anti-vaccine folks) because it is primarily spread via sexual activity and needles.

The HepB vaccine is also mandatory in most states.

So, where are you on that vaccine? Just curious.

[laundry_queen]

45. Well, my kids don't have it.

But it's not mandatory where I am. It's definitely not something I'd give my baby. When my kids are older though, I'll revisit it.

BTW, I'm not anti-cervical cancer vaccine. I'd just like to see a little bit more research and testing, especially since it's recommended for girls as young as 9, but has only been tested on adults. I have 4 girls so this is definitely of interest to me, but I like to evaluate each vaccine, risks vs benefits, individually before I commit. I've seen a severely vaccine damaged child before so I know the other side of the coin.

[Justitia]

47. I see you are in Canada. In the USA, all states besides S Dakota & Alabama require it.

The debate here today is the same as that debate back when.

[ScreamingMeemie]

48. I'm not anti vaccine...I'm anti forced anti vaccine for the profit of big

pharmy companies. Big difference there.

[Justitia]

49. You know if it is not "mandatory", insurance cos & Medicaid will not pay for it.

If you have objections to it, any parent can "opt out".

The "mandatory" classification is there to provide financing for those who can't pay for it, or whose health insurance would otherwise not cover it.

The vaccine cannot be forced on anyone who does not want it.
It will be provided for those who want it and cannot afford it.

[ScreamingMeemie]

51. Bingo. And that's what I plan to do. But, the red tape will be heavy

I am sure. But, luckily, this being an opinion board I can voice my opinion. If they took a bit more time with it I'd quite possibly change my viewpoint. But they're not, so I won't. :hi:

[AZBlue]

55. I see your point, but you can't leave children open to risk and exposure just to spite the pharms.

eom

[pnwmom]

94. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that the vaccine

not be made mandatory since larger scale studies have not been carried out. If you want your children to be the guinea pigs, fine.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=128966&mesg_id=128966

[Midlodemocrat]

109. Not true. They recently recommended that the vaccine be included in

children's 2007 vaccination schedules.

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=21294

[pnwmom]

50. You're right about the Hepatitis vaccine. But it was tested for years

on adults before it was given to children. I let my children have it.

But I would NOT want my daughter to have this vaccine in the first year of its release, just as I wouldn't want any of us to unnecessarily take a brand new drug.

[Justitia]

53. I heard all the same objections (including the "it's too new") about HepB.

From all the same groups. Now, almost all children are vaccinated against HepB.

Even though it is primarily SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED, or spread by needle use.
The fundies were up in arms in the 80s saying the HepB vaccine was only for sluts and drug users.
The anti-vaccine folks said it caused MS.

There were also loads of folks who said it didn't have enough testing, was too new.

I'm just trying to inject some historical rationality into this debate.

[ScreamingMeemie]

60. Not the same group here that you're talking to. My son was vaccinated

at birth. Sorry. They need to give it time. It is too new. I'm going to side with my pediatrician with regard to my daughter on this one.

[Justitia]

61. Just curious - your doc advised you NOT to let your daughter be vaccinated?

I'm just surprised because that would be the first doctor I've heard of advising AGAINST the vaccine for adolescent girls. Or is your daughter still pretty young (pre-pubescent)?

[ScreamingMeemie]

64. My daughter is 17. Both her pediatrician and our family doctor have

advised to wait until the "guniea pig" phase is over. I don't find myself polling doctors on this, and I find it odd that it appears you have.

[Justitia]

69. So, your daughter can decide for herself next year?

I haven't "polled" doctors on this, but I know plenty of doctors and yes, we have talked about this at length. Medical topics frequently come up.

Not to mention - I LIVE IN TEXAS, where this topic is all the rage currently.

I kinda find it odd that your daughter still goes to a pediatrician at the age of 17, but that's none of my business. Soon enough, she can decide for herself. She's lucky to be of an age where this vaccine will be a realistic option.

I have a very sick son, so I wish nothing but total health for everyone's child.

[ScreamingMeemie]

72. Ummm...the typical pediatrician (at least here in MI) sees children

to age 18. I find it odd that you would find it odd. She had a choice to either continue on with her pediatrician or go to our family doctor...she chose her pediatrician. There is something odd about that?

http://life.familyeducation.com/teen/medical-care/40530.html
snip-

There is not an exact age that is appropriate for changing to an "adult" doctor. It really is a personal decision that you and your son can make together. Although many consider pediatricians as "baby" doctors, pediatricians are well trained specialists in the care of newborns, children, and adolescents, often until they finish college. Some pediatricians even take care of young adults with chronic diseases with whom they have long established relationships, since diagnoses were made when the patients were young.

-snip

She is currently of the mind that she will pass on the vaccine.

On edit: We are lucky. My son was born a bit premature after two late term losses. I take their health extremely seriously.

[Justitia]

77. Here is why I even mentioned it....

Sometimes teenagers don't want their parents to think they are sexually active.
Sometimes teenage girls won't indicate a desire to see a gynecologist because they don't want their parents to think they are sexually active (whether they are active or not).
So, even if a family doc or pediatrician recommends it, it can sometimes be a sore point or an awkward one during the teen years.

A gynecologist would most likely broach the subject of this vaccine w/a girl your daughter's age. I don't know if a pediatrician or a family GP would - I have no way of knowing that either way.
Ditto on birth control, etc. Strictly an observation, not a comment on your particular situation.

As open-minded a mom as I am, when my son was repeatedly hospitalized beginning this summer I still professed doubt to his doctors as to whether he had ever even had sex - he's 23 years old! I don't know how they kept from laughing at me. Uh, I just recently found out he's not a virgin and I don't want to know anymore about it. So, even the most enlightened among us are still crazy parents on the inside - hee, hee.

[ScreamingMeemie]

82. Again, I disagree.

One, our family doctor (and many family doctors) also provide gynecological services. My daughter's pediatrician broached the subject of the vaccine with us at a visit. My daughter conducts all her visits without me in the room and the doctor speaks to me afterward about things which may be concerning them. Therein lies the difference. No two practices are the same.

On the other subject, I have always told my daughter to act on the side of caution and not on the side of her mother's sensibilities. ;) :hi:

[pnwmom]

62. Here's my historical rationality.

For more than a generation, they tried to convince us that the DPT vaccine was perfectly safe. It wasn't. My healthy baby sister went into seizures after she had the vaccine, and died of encephalitis.

It took a lot of pressure from the National Vaccine Information Center and the families whose children's lives had been sacrificed (for the common good) before the government finally prodded the drug companies into developing a safer ("split cell") vaccine. It was only after the new drug had been developed that the government really acknowledged the problems with the old one.

The fundies are wrong about trying to control their daughter's sex lives, but they are right about the risks of being guinea pigs on a new drug or vaccine. How many times a year do we hear about giant recalls of new drugs? That's because the FDA allows them to be released earlier than they used to, with the final stage of testing to come when doctors send in their adverse effect reports.

You're an adult. If you trust Bush's FDA enough to take a drug or vaccine in its first year of testing, go ahead. But don't expect me to do it, or to allow my children to be one of the guinea pigs.

[Justitia]

67. There will always be anecdotal stories of harm from everything.

I'm just pointing out that we had almost the identical debate about HepB vaccinations down to the same groups opposing.

Yes, every parent will get to decide for their daughters, until the daughters are allowed to decide for themselves.

My only hope is that they won't already be infected. I know way too many women who developed cervical cancer from HPV - 2, in my own family. We all have anecdotal stories.

So, considering that the same debate raged over HepB, now almost all children receive HepB vaccines and the incidence of HepB is greatly reduced, I just wanted to show some historical context.

If YOU don't want YOUR DAUGHTER to be immunized against cervical cancer, then don't have HER immunized - it's as simple as that.

For those who DO want it, the mandatory classification simply makes it financially available.

The End.

[pnwmom]

75. That's a nice, compassionate response.

I tell you that my sister died from a known risk of the DPT vaccine (encephalitis) and you tell me there will always be "anecdotal stories of harm from everything." Wow.

Your situation isn't comparable. Your family members didn't get cervical cancer because of a vaccine that your parents allowed them to be given. Just try to imagine how that would feel . . . knowing that your child died because you brought her in for that damn vaccine.

You might be ready to give a daughter the HPV vaccine, but the American Academy of Pediatrics is urging a "go slow" approach, because the vaccine "hasn't been observed in larger-scale tryouts." They don't think it should be mandatory now either.

From the Baltimore Sun:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/politics/bal-te.md.cervical29jan29,0,2725203.story?coll=bal-mdpolitics-headlines

Merck, which has been arming its lobbyists across the country with information on the vaccine, has been getting an assist from Women in Government, a nonpartisan organization of female legislators whose agenda includes cervical cancer prevention. The group, like breast-cancer activists before it, works through political channels. It also takes corporate donations from Merck.

But some medical experts say lawmakers are moving too fast in their efforts to vaccinate all school-age girls. The American Academy of Pediatrics, for instance, is urging a go-slow approach, with an initial focus on raising public awareness of HPV and more monitoring of the safety of the vaccine, which had minimal side effects in clinical trials but hasn't been observed in larger-scale rollouts.

"A lot of us are worried it's a little early to be pushing a mandated HPV vaccine," said Dr. Martin Myers, director of the National Network for Immunization Information. "It's not that I'm not wildly enthusiastic about this vaccine. I am. But many of us are concerned a mandate may be premature, and it's important for people to realize that this isn't as clear-cut as with some previous vaccines."

He added, "It's not the vaccine community pushing for this."

[ScreamingMeemie]

76. Thank you.

But then it's odd for me to have my 17 year old daughter going to a pediatrician by choice so don't listen to me.

My understanding, from both of our family doctors, is that it's a little too soon to add this to the required menu.

[pnwmom]

79. I think you meant to reply to someone else, Mrs. Grumpy.

:)

[ScreamingMeemie]

104. No. I meant to reply to you pnwmom.

[Justitia]

81. Sorry you feel slighted. I was trying to make this germaine to more than 1 person.

The way you perceived the "tone" of my post was more about trying to get info across quickly, not to overlook your tragedy.

We are talking to audiences of folks beyond yourself and me.

[Katherine Brengle]

57. Big red flags.

I believe I have to call bs on this.

[pnwmom]

65. The Moonie Times wasn't the only one to publish this information.

And the National Vaccine Information Center is a very worthwhile organization. I'm grateful for them for working so hard to prevent other families from going through what mine did when my sister died due to the well-known but "rare" risk of the old DPT vaccination.

Once they finally developed the "split cell" vaccine, they quit pretending that the "whole cell" vaccine was perfectly safe. Funny how that works.

[leftofthedial]

86. judging from their website

the National Vaccine Information Center opposes all vaccines

[pnwmom]

93. They don't oppose all vaccines, but they do support

informed consent for all vaccines -- which wasn't a part of the process when my oldest was born.

And they pushed for a law that compensated the families whose children were injured by vaccines.

[leftofthedial]

103. again, judging from their website,

they oppose all vaccinations as a matter of policy

[dogday]

97. I live in Texas and my Daughter is the age required

but they are not going to inject shit into her until I know for sure it is safe.

[pnwmom]

101. And the American Academy of Pediatrics agrees with you,

in case you're looking for support.

[Horse with no Name]

117. NO THEY DO NOT!

Please stop with the lies.

[seabeyond]

102. that is how i feel dogday. and to have people on here suggesting you arent parent

enough, because you may not trust govt, drug co and perry who owns part of the co.... to me is the foolish

never would i believe du would so willfully back any of the three.

i thought the chicken pox and hep c vaccinations were wrong. i dont know about this vaccination, but i really do not feel we know enough yet about it.

[ScreamingMeemie]

105. and don't forget...it makes you an idiot too...when you vote wrong

in the polls.

[seabeyond]

110. lol lol

you got me on that one grumpy.... maybe i missed something. did see something about criticism because your daughter goes to ped at 17????

lol lol i got the snarky on poll. was along with daughter going to ped. yup.........

[Trillo]

124. Whether the vaccine is Safe, or Not Safe isn't the point,

what matters most is that certain entities are rolling in profit $$$ from the compulsion.
/sarcasm

[mhatrw]

125. PLEASE READ THIS POST IF YOU ARE AT ALL INFORMED ON THIS!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=128966&mesg_id=145789