YouTube took down all the Live Earth content, including Bobby Kennedy :(

[garybeck]

"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Microsoft Network"

[originalpckelly]

1. Of course, Microshit is an evil monopoly that can't stand real competition.

[northzax]

4. what competition?

they paid for the content, shouldn't they own it, instead of a competitor making money off it?

[redqueen]

13. Ugh.

it's all about who's making the money...

[northzax]

19. well, yes. MSN paid for the exclusive rights to the webcast in the US

why should someone else make money off it? you know that youtube is a profit making enterprise, owned by a Microsoft rival, right? you can watch all the clips you want, you just need to go to the MSN website to do it. What's the problem, exactly?

[redqueen]

39. greed

greed is the problem

[northzax]

41. of course

but greed is what built the internet in the first place. Greed is why we both have those little stars by our names, greed is why there is constant innovation on the web, greed is why the guys who built youtube sold it for a billion bucks each instead of building it as a non-profit information clearing house. Greed is why Al Gore sold the rights to do this to MSN in the first place. think of all the people who watched this on the web, maybe because they don't have cable (like me) without MSN getting those rights in the first place, the concert would never have been available to anyone outside the many venues.

[redqueen]

42. disagree

greed built the net? how?

greed is not why we have stars by our names. if greed was involved we'd be required to pay, pay lots... we wouldn't be asked to pay what we can afford, and only if we want to.

greed is not the fuel for innovation. that's a bullshit myth and i'm sick of it. innovators innovate because they enjoy thinking and solving problems and improving things... not for a quick buck. any innovation that's motivated purely by the profit motive is nearly guaranteed to be crap.

[northzax]

49. so do you think that the DU Admins

would still be here 7 years later if there was no money in it? think their wives would be happy about that?

greed may not be the fuel for innovation, but it feeds the capital that makes innovation possible. Greed is why there is high speed internet. greed is why there is streaming video. greed is why there are websites in the first place. greed is why there is Google. greed is why there is Java, greed is why there is html, greed is why there is an Apple Computer, all those things exist because someone thought they could make money off them. Greed is why MSN signed up to broadcast the event on TV and on the internet. that's why it's there.

[redqueen]

51. we just disagree

you see greed everywhere.

i see it only some places, and refuse to defend it anywhere.

[UnyieldingHierophant]

52. what's the name of this utopia you live in?

[redqueen]

53. it's not utopia, it's reality.

not everything is motivated predominantly by greed.

[originalpckelly]

20. Is this about making money or about helping the environment?

I'm sickened to see a public event restricted in such an awful way.

[northzax]

23. complain to Al Gore

he's the one (presumably someone else, actually, but under his name) who sold the exclusive rights to MSN.

[jwirr]

37. So where is the owner going to post it so we can view it?

[northzax]

38. well, you could check

any of the 8 times this was posted before your post was :)

liveearth.msn.com

[glitch]

2. Are you kidding me? What a stupid stupid stupid move. nt

[ClassWarfare2008]

3. Well, at least the best copy of the Melissa Etheridge video wasn't on YouTube.

Wonder how long before the fascists kill that one. And since it will NEVER be shown on TV again, that will truly be a sad thing.

In case there's anyone who hasn't seen it:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hh5z_melissa-etheridge-wake-up-live-eart

[northzax]

8. once NBC sees it

that will get taken down to, since it's simply a recording off the tv.

and Melissa Etheridge is right here on MSN: http://entimg.msn.com/i/ExperienceData/p1-7/us/x.htm?sh=LiveEarth&ep=le_ny&ch=37

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

5. Waitasec. Microsoft owns Live Earth? WTF? -nt

[Tesha]

11. They appear to own the Internet streaming rights, at least in the USA. (NT)

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

27. Well, OK, as long as it's still available from them.

If they do this shit after the videos are no longer officially available anywhere, that will be questionable.

[BootinUp]

6. hmmm, is it still available online?n/t

[garybeck]

7. I believe the RFK JR speech is available on the live earth website somewhere

someone told me they found it but it was hard to find and couldn't supply a link.

maybe we should figger it out and post it here for folks who haven't seen it yet.

[northzax]

17. the whole thing is here

liveearth.msn.com you can search by artist, venue or celebrity presentor. Here's the interview with RFK, jr. http://entimg.msn.com/i/ExperienceData/p1-7/us/x.htm?sh=LiveEarth&ep=le_celebrity&ch=19

[ronnykmarshall]

9. OH MY GAWD!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHjFxJVeCQs

[garybeck]

10. oh, that evil eye!

[silverweb]

12. Well, yeah.

MSN still has all of it available on demand on their own site, paid for by their advertisers. I think there are reasonable guidelines covering that sort of thing in copyright laws and they're well within their rights.

Besides the quality of the MSN video is much, much better:

http://liveearth.msn.com/concerts/UnitedStates

[zippy890]

15. can you find the Bobby Kennedy Jr speech at MSN?

I can't, but maybe some else can find it.

thanks!:hi:

[garybeck]

24. yeah, we need to find it.

[samdogmom]

26. I posted below, but here it is:

http://entimg.msn.com/i/ExperienceData/p1-7/us/x.htm?sh=LiveEarth&ep=le_ny



(DU keeps cutting this link--sorry--When you're in NY--just push the arrow button until you find the Robert Kennedy Jr. speech and then click on it. You can see all of the artists/guests using this site.)

[garybeck]

35. that didn't work for me. try this

http://tinyurl.com/25kwcj

[silverweb]

34. Absolutely.

Go to this site:
http://liveearth.msn.com/concerts/UnitedStates

You have to wait until ALL the Venue+Playlists populate under the "Watch Video" heading. Then, in succession, click on the appropriate column selections, left to right:

(1) Venue+Playlists: USA-New York.
(2) Set Lists: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
(3) Videos: Speech.

It's all there. :hi:

[glitch]

18. Dumb PR move, regardless. The idea is to propagate the message, and generate goodwill for MSN.

Dumbass move, especially since it having the video available on youtube relieves overburdened MSN servers.

Really stupid to throw all that away for advertising dollars.

[northzax]

22. as opposed to letting someone else make advertising dollars on it?

why should Microsoft provide moneymaking content for Google?

[sandnsea]

32. Because that's how the internet works

Sharing. YouTube would never have been YouTube without sharing in the first place. Many people will never see anything from MSN if it isn't posted on YouTube. They see it on YouTube, then go back to MSNBC to watch more. Microsoft just cannot understand that sharing creates a natural monopoly online, it works in reverse of cutthroat competition.

[glitch]

36. Well said. MS never got the web because they didn't build it. nt

[northzax]

40. right, and there were links on all of these postings

on Youtube directing people to the MSN site to see more? oh right, Youtube doesn't allow you to do that. And YouTube would never have been YouTube without flat out copyright infringements, for the most part. it would have been a quaint little site, except you can go there and see content for free, that someone else might want you to pay for.

Does Google share what it has paid for with Microsoft? seems not likely, right? if it was this important to the owners of the content (Al Gore and co, who does know just a wee bit about the internets) then why did they sell exclusive rights to MSN? Blame Al Gore, his group signed the contract allowing MSN to do this. If the content is available elsewhere on the web, as this one is, then it shouldn't be on YouTube without the permission of the copyright holder. it's really pretty simple in concept.

[sandnsea]

48. It's still how the internet works

You can ramble on about the internet advertising model all you want. The internet still works best with sharing. You get a group of people in a town who all share links and promote each other, and you've got a vacation destination. You get a town that fights with each other, you've got a town that's lost online. Extrapolate that to any industry and you've got the same thing. You either play together and create a community, or you end up lost in the ethersphere. Maybe if MSN had figured this out years ago, they wouldn't have lost search to Google in the first place. That is what this is about you know, not the copyrights on these particular videos. MSN hates Google. I hate them both.

[rinsd]

44. The moment Youtube became Google that ended.

[glitch]

33. They just alienated a large youth audience AGAIN. Goodwill goes a long way in selling product.

And they just threw that away. It also is totally against the original purpose of the web, which they never got in the first place.

Amazing, they should be much smarter than that by now.

[ronnykmarshall]

14. It's the work of Rove!!

KKKarl's hands are all over this I tells ya!!

[ClassWarfare2008]

25. GE.... Rove.... what's the difference?

Both are profiting from the neocon war agenda.

[yodermon]

16. Go to http://liveearth.msn.com/

link: http://liveearth.msn.com/concerts/UnitedStates
Select USA -> New York -> Robert F. Kennedy Jr. -> Speech

Watching now, wow!

[samdogmom]

21. All of video is available at the MSN site, perhaps that's the copyright problem.

Link to Melissa Ethridge, you can easily search for other acts:

http://entimg.msn.com/i/ExperienceData/p1-7/us/x.htm?sh=LiveEarth&ep=le_ny

On Edit:

Here's the link for Robert Kennedy, Jr's speech:

http://entimg.msn.com/i/ExperienceData/p1-7/us/x.htm?sh=LiveEarth&ep=le_ny

[garybeck]

28. HERE is the link RFK JR speech on MSN website

http://tinyurl.com/25kwcj

[AZBlue]

29. That's because Microsoft is letting you see all the clips for free on their own site.

It's not an evil conspiracy.

[berni_mccoy]

30. This ISN'T TRUE. I can still see the videos there. Are there specific videos they took down?

[garybeck]

31. yes it is true, here's the link they took down. maybe yours is cached.

see for yourself"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv9q3PR_Tps

this is the link to RFK speech on the greatest page.

[berni_mccoy]

45. Sorry, they hadn't gotten to all of them yet. You are correct, they are taking them down, 1-by-1

[skooooo]

43. wait two days..

...and it will probably be up again.

[ben_meyers]

46. It's all business

Al Gore's partner is Kevin Wall, producer of Live-8.
Wall is CEO of Control Room, a global internet consulting firm, and a venture fund capitalist. Live Earth’s business partners include Bill Gates’ Microsoft Network MSN, Mercedes Benz’s Smart, and Pepsi. US ticket sales are entirely under the control of the online auction site, e-Bay, one of the world’s biggest corporations.
http://aw2w.blogspot.com/2007/05/two-concerts-two-different-worlds.html

[Bitwit1234]

47. I didn't think Bravo or Sundance were members of Microsoft.

[rinsd]

50. Bravo is an NBC affiliate and NBC has a relationship with MSN.

I would be more upset of this was the original YouTube vs the one that is now owned by Google.

[nolabels]

54. So it looks like i didn't miss much

Corporate oligarchy and all :shrug:

[SeattleGirl]

55. Glad I saved a lot of them last night. Just checked and they still work. n/t