CNN just reported

[katty]

Iraqi politicians are 'urging Iraqi citizens to arm themselves, protect themselves' -

-cafferty report...

-how much more evidence do we need?!

[wildbilln864]

1. Yes I heard that on NPR yesterday!

So how many of them will target our young men and women? :grr:

[katty]

3. well, it's officially: The Wild West in Iraq-you're on your own

[wildbilln864]

2. K&R by the way! eom

[spanone]

4. yes, but the surge is werkin'

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[hiaasenrocks]

5. Here's a link:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/09/iraq/main3030206.shtml

[TahitiNut]

12. "Turkey has massed 140,000 soldiers on its border with northern Iraq"

140,000? Well ... that's a conveeenient number. :eyes:

[Melynn]

24. I wonder if Turkey is going to take out the Iraqi Kurds?

If Turkey invades Northern Iraq then the crap will really hit the fan. If U.S. defends the Kurds then it will one NATO country against another NATO country.

Holy Crap! The would spell the end of BushCo. Even the ruling class wouldn't put up that chaos.

[TahitiNut]

28. Shades of post-WW2 Germany. A Turkish zone. A Saudi zone. An Iranian zone.

It'd guarantee exactly the kind of Middle Eastern instability for many years to come that gives wet dreams to global corporatism.

[Melynn]

30. I wonder if this is what the Saudi's wanted all long

Wonder why Bush invaded Iraq? Look to the Saudi's. They have had their hooks into the Bush family for years. Think oil.

[DemBones DemBones]

6. I heard that on CNN early this morning, glad to see they're still reporting it.

This is the craziest news out of Iraq since we started arming the Sunnis to help us fight the Shia, which was what, last week?

Jon Stewart really had a great show about that insanity ("The enemy of my enemy is my friend.") Tonight's Daily Show should be good, too.

[NoPasaran]

19. Wait! I thought we were arming the Shia to fight the Sunnis!

Crap! I've been rooting for the wrong side!

[rateyes]

22. We HAVE been arming the Shia to fight the Sunnis in Iraq,

and arming the Sunnis to fight the Shia in Iran. Hell, I'm so damned confused. Maybe we should get the hell out of the middle of this civil war we started.

[wildbilln864]

7. And who'll be selling them those arms? n/t

[DemBones DemBones]

8. The Carlyle Group! nt

[wildbilln864]

10. I think that zeitgeist movie...

clearly shows the state of affairs we are in today and how we got here! This war isn't meant to be won but only sustained for the profiteers just like Vietnam!
www.zeitgeistmovie.com :hi:
Have you seen it? What's your opinion?

[Ilsa]

27. I watched it this weekend.

I'm not ready to buy into the entire conspiracy theory, but the point of the film was to get people to THINK.

I am more respectful of Ron Paul's Libertarianism now with regards to the federal reserve, too, and he is my congresscritter. But I won't vote for him. But it aggravates me how much power the fed has.

War for profit was easily accepted long ago. And the Brit spies dressing up as Iraqis and killing people from a vehicle was a good reminder of the strategy of inciting civil conflict. They were caught and the Brits had to use a tank to bust them out of jail.

Debt = slavery is also in my arsenal of comments.

[WilliamPitt]

14. The arms are already there.

Pilfered from Russian and Ukrainian weapon storage facilities after the fall of the Soviet government by gun runners, then sold to Africa and the Mideast. Hundreds of millions of Soviet and Chinese AK-47s.

[wildbilln864]

17. And who exactly were....

those gun runners? :shrug: reminds me of that Nick Cage movie, "Lord of War"!

[WilliamPitt]

18. That movie describes actual events.

Who were the gun runners? Ask Ollie North.

[wildbilln864]

21. Well yes....

Ollie, Cheney, the senior shrub, Rummy, etc. All would probably know! New faces, same game! :shrug:

[DemReadingDU]

15. China?

7/6/07 US concerns over China weapons in Iraq

The US has raised concerns with the Chinese government about the discovery of Chinese-made weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Richard Lawless, departing senior Pentagon official for Asia, on Friday said Washington had flagged the issue with Beijing. In recent months, the US has become increasingly alarmed that Chinese armour-piercing ammunition has been used by the Taliban in Afghanistan and insurgents in Iraq.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/82ce0740-2c03-11dc-b498-000b5df10621.html

[aquart]

9. Anarchy!

That's what they said would happen if we left, not if we stayed. Ooops. Wrong again.

[NewJeffCT]

11. It's the NRA's dream come true!

everybody armed and hunkered down...

[Ino]

13. Glad to see they have 2nd Amendment rights

spreading democracy! :yoiks:

[Nothing Without Hope]

16. Boston Globe article on this - LINK & excerpt:

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2007/07/09/iraqis_told_to_arm_themselves/

Iraqis told to arm themselves

Politicians frustrated amid rising violence
By Robert H. Reid, Associated Press | July 9, 2007

BAGHDAD -- Prominent Shi'ite and Sunni politicians called on Iraqi civilians to take up arms to defend themselves after a weekend of violence that claimed more than 220 lives, including 60 who died yesterday in a surge of bombings and shootings around Baghdad.

The proposals to arm civilians reflected growing frustration over the inability of Iraqi forces to prevent attacks, while the string of bombings in the Iraqi capital showed that extremists can still unleash powerful strikes there despite the US security crackdown.

Abbas al-Bayati, a Shi'ite Turkman lawmaker, said yesterday that, in the absence of enough security forces, the Iraqi government should help residents "arm themselves" for their own protection.

(snip)

The idea of organizing communities to handle their own defense has been gaining support here after the success that Sunni Arab tribes in Anbar Province have had in driving Al Qaeda from their towns and villages.

(snip)

[tridim]

20. Damn this thing is going to be ugly, but it can't be avoided.

We have to leave.

We just need to make sure Bush doesn't fuck up the retreat like he fucked up the invasion and occupation. That's why Impeachment is so important.

[Ghost in the Machine]

23. I posted that here late last night... it got one response..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1279928&mesg_id=1279928

[Marr]

25. The Libertarians should be ecstatic!

They can finally see how their long-dreamed of, never-instituted ideas actually play out.

Put down that Ayn Rand book and watch closely, dipshits!

[Catherine Vincent]

26. I feel so bad for the Iraqi people.

They must really hate us. I'm not saying everything was peaches and cream when Saddam was their leader but after we invaded their country, it went from worse to worser.

[Ilsa]

29. I suspect they are also arming themselves because

they know US troops aren't going to be there indefinitely. I hope they can manage, and I hope the level of violence goes down after we leave.

[wildbilln864]

31. Kick! eom

[wildbilln864]

32. double kick! eom

[Az_lefty]

33. We need to get our trrops the hell out of the way of this...

but of course, the shrub can't change course. To him it's like admitting to making a mistake, something his fragile little ego can't handle it.

[autorank]

34. Not uncommon for Iraqis to have a mahine gun in their homes.

Yep, so they're locked an loaded. Guns don't kill people until people pick up guns...then people kill other people with guns, quite efficiently.

[Big Blue Marble]

35. Was it not so long ago that our military was attempting to

disarm the Iraqi citizens?

[benEzra]

36. Yep. Somebody's bright idea to "win hearts and minds" by kicking in doors

and taking people's guns.

That wouldn't even fly here, and we're not in the middle of a civil war...

[Wiley50]

39. Yes, we are. But's it's mostly a cold civil war here right now

But, if things do not change pretty quick

Watch out

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

37. But wait, Lieberman says the surge is working.

[ThomWV]

38. You mean that there's someone left in Iraq that is NOT armed?

Unimaginable.