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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:32 PM
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I Would Probably Vote For A Republican If ...
I would probably vote for a Republican if that Republican were to actively support IMPEACHMENT of Bush/Cheney. I will not vote for any Democrat who does not support IMPEACHMENT of Bush/Cheney.

I would probably donate money to the campaign of a Republican if that Republican were to actively support IMPEACHMENT of Bush/Cheney. I will not contribute to any Democrat who does not support IMPEACHMENT of Bush/Cheney.

I just wanted to make my position clear here. I believe that IMPEACHMENT is much more important than party loyalty and I will support anyone who supports IMPEACHMENT.

Agree or disagree?


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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:35 PM
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1. Well, I couldn't vote for a Republican if he or she
handed me money and then offered to pleasure me orally. The enemy of my enemy ain't no friend of mine. I'm 100% for impeachment, too, BTW, but this is a line I could not cross.

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loyalkydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:35 PM
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2. agreed TYVM
Republicans can kiss my grits :)
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:38 PM
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5. So Sad! Fuck the US of A!
Party over principles got us in this fucking mess!
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:40 PM
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8. I don't vote party over principle
The GOP reflects not one of my principles. The Democrats at least reflect some of them. So spare me the histrionics, please.

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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:49 PM
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14. The problem is that I don't trust Republicans
they can SAY all they want to about impeachment, just like now some are saying they want to get out of Iraq. But we've seen via votes that they DON'T walk their talk.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:36 PM
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3. If the parties switched monikers again, sorta like in the 60s.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:50 PM
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16. You Got It BlooInBloo
In my case, I would vote for a Republican like Olympia Snowe or Lincoln Chaffee if the alternative was some one like Pat Robertson or Pat Buchanan.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:36 PM
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4. Not me
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 05:37 PM by MonkeyFunk
I've never voted for a Republican, and one issue isn't enough to make me start doing it now.

And when do you expect to cast this vote? Nov. 2008, when Bush has 3 months left in office?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:39 PM
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6. What He Said
eom
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 06:17 PM
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23. Thanks for bringing up the date
Also I believe the newly elected congresscritters would not take office until the new President did.

Can we impeach an ex-president and take away his pension and secret service protection? Should that be a priority?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 06:22 PM
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27. No
"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."


-Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution

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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:39 PM
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7. I could probably vote Republican if Hell froze over
:-)
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:41 PM
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10. You beat me to it!
And I still might not vote for a GOP'er even then.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:41 PM
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11. Maybe If They Resurrected Lincoln
...
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kdmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:54 PM
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18. Well, you're screwed then!!
Cause November is winter in Michigan and Hell freezes over every winter!!!! http://www.answers.com/topic/hell-michigan

:evilgrin: :toast: :bounce:
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:40 PM
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9. Two people have guaranteed that I will never vote republican
Well make that 3
Ronald Reagan
George w. bu$h
Dickless Cheney

Their actions confirm what has long been said about republicans and I vow never to vote for one republican for any office in the land.
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:47 PM
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12. If I previously had had a forced frontal lobotomy....
I might vote for a Repuke. In my right mind, I'd vote for a Green, a Socialist, a Social Democrat, etc., if he or she supported impeachment and the Democratic opponent didn't, but NEVER for a Republican.
:evilgrin:
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:48 PM
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13. The only time I vote for a Republican
is when, in a local election, they are running uncontested and are part of a list of uncontested local offices which includes Democrats and Independents as well. Sadly, in Arkansas, we don't have write ins, or they wouldn't get my vote at all. I'd do what I did when I lived in Illinois-write in someone's name.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:49 PM
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15. the vote is not till 2008...at which time...IMPEACHMENT IS MOOT! N/T
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:56 PM
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19. It took quite a few people to realize that! Congrats. nt
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SayWhatYo Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 06:23 PM
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28. I interpreted the op differently.
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 06:24 PM by SayWhatYo
I thought of him saying that if a republican stood up right now and started the impeachment process, while the democrats refuse to, then he would vote for that republican in '08.
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kdmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 07:09 PM
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29. That's how I interpreted it, as well..
especially since he posted:

"I would probably donate money to the campaign of a Republican if that Republican were to actively support IMPEACHMENT of Bush/Cheney. I will not contribute to any Democrat who does not support IMPEACHMENT of Bush/Cheney."
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kdmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:50 PM
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17. I could never be that single issue...
You state that party loyalty is the problem, but if Dick Cheney supported Impeachment of Bush, would that make him OK with you, even though he is evil?

If any Republican supported impeachment, I would be VERY suspicious that they were just trying to get single issue voters to vote for them.

It's not party loyalty. It's people who vote for a person due to ONE issue that's the problem. I've never found a single Republican that I agree with on the issues. I've never found a single Democrat that I agree with on all the issues either. But, here's the thing: I can find Democrats that I agree with 90% of the time, but I've yet to find a Republican that I agree with even 10% of the time.

So.. I guess you will have to put me down in the disagree column.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 06:00 PM
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20. Agree
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 06:02 PM
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21. Impeachment is about party loyalty n/t
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 06:09 PM
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22. I would never vote Republican
Impeachment is one issue. I'm a Democrat because the Democratic Party has the influence to put into action policies and laws that reflect my values. The Republicans, the very same party of those candidates who turned down the invitation to debate at the NAACP conference, mind you, do not reflect ANY of my values. So what if a Republican supported impeachment? That particular Republican would want the current administration replaced by a Republican. Where does that get us?
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 06:19 PM
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24. Even, if say, Hagel supported impeachment I would vote for him
or give him money. There are too many other issues where we part company. I'm not a single issue voter.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 06:20 PM
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25. I Would Probably Vote For A Republican If ...
...I woke up to find that rivers run backward, the sun rises in the west, and the Rocky Mountains were missing.

In other words, ain't gonna happen.

Back in the seventies, I occasionally did vote for Republicans before they became completely bat-shit crazy.

Any modestly sane person today who supports anyone or anything Republican should immediately schedule an appointment with a psychotherapist, assuming that person has health insurance, could afford the co-payment, and find a suitable preferred provider!
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 06:21 PM
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26. I couldn't disagree more - impeachment is impossible, and a snare and a delusion.

We should be ignoring impeachment altogether, and concentrating on achievable goals instead.

I see, broadly, three categories of argument for initiating impeachment procedings (not "for impeaching - that's not the decision the Dems have to make):

1: Claims that the might succeed;
2: Claims that they would be a good thing even if ithey failed
3: Arguments that what their effects would be are irrelevant, they're a "moral obligation" either way.

1 can be dismissed with the simple mathematical equation 67>51.

2 is, I think, the least worst of the three, but I don't think it's true - I think wasting government time on inevitably-doomed impeachment procedings would quite possibly hand the Republicans a victory in 2008.

3 drives me wild with rage. The fact that so many DUers want to sacrifice the supreme court, abortion, gay rights, the war in Iraq, the environment etc for something that they can't even demonstrate isn't a piece of empty grandstanding is something I find very hard to forgive.

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 07:16 PM
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33. Did you watch Bill Moyers Journal Friday?
You might be inclined to change your mind.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 07:11 PM
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30. I wouldn't **** on a Republican if he was on fire
seriously no, never
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 07:12 PM
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31. I would NEVER vote for a Republican . . . however I will pressure repub senators to have Bush resign
Republican policies are fundamentally bad.

OTOH I would greatly admire a senior republican senator who convinced Bush to resign.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 07:15 PM
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32. NEVER
unless I was certifiably insane. :crazy: Don't you care about other issues like global warming etc when the very existance of our planet is at stake??? Jesus Christ!!! :mad:
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 07:19 PM
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34. ...he had tortured me at Gitmo and threatened my children
That's the only situation I can think of.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 07:19 PM
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35. Agree and disagree. Both.
I agree with putting principles before party. I agree with offering support, money, and votes based on platform, record, and issues rather than party. I agree with using my vote to express support, or lack of support, for a party's and/or candidates record and platform.

I just don't know if I could actually vote for a republican. Kind of like being a contestant on "Fear Factor."
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losthills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 07:30 PM
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36. Not me.
If you vote for a Republican for president you'll get a Republican secrrtary of State, a Republican Secretary of Defense, a Republican Secretary of the Interior, and on down the line-- Republicans running EPA, Department of Agriculture, Homeland Security-- eight more years of the same criminal mismanagement of our government by Republican crooks a cronies.

It wouldn't be worth it just for empty vengence.

Let's get a Democrat in there-- any Democrat-- and start putting our country back together.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 07:32 PM
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37. . . . the Democrats nominate Boss Tweed
and even then, I'll probably do nothing worse than quietly vote Green.
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Sadie4629 Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 08:19 PM
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38. Well,
by the time we vote in the general election, impeachment will be a moot point. They will both be GONE and our new president (whoever he/she will be) will have much more important things to do than to take care of old business.
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