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Tue Feb-06-07 12:04 PM
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Update: Kerry to introduce bill calling for a November 2007 deadline for withdrawal. |
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Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 12:59 PM by ProSense
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Tue Feb-06-07 12:12 PM
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1. Yes. Let's hope that for the next two years that our Dem. leaders |
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continue to ask politely for the end to this war. And all the other Dems. can look the other way.
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Tue Feb-06-07 12:16 PM
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2. Let's hope more than 13 Dems vote for this plan. n/t |
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Tue Feb-06-07 12:17 PM
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3. I think they will. Kerry and Feingold are NOT letting the deadline issue drop. |
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Tue Feb-06-07 12:58 PM
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Tue Feb-06-07 12:29 PM
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4. Good -- when are the Republicans going to come to their senses and join in? |
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At some point they are going to realize that sticking with Bush is a mistake. When will they see that doing what is right is more important than loyality to President Disaster?
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Tue Feb-06-07 12:32 PM
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Tue Feb-06-07 12:42 PM
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6. "transferring full security responsibility to the Iraqis by November of 2007" |
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Tue Feb-06-07 01:03 PM
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10. That should be your OP subject |
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Tue Feb-06-07 01:20 PM
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11. Too late to edit. n/t |
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Tue Feb-06-07 01:02 PM
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8. They got 13 votes before - let's push the senate to give this 51 votes. |
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Tue Feb-06-07 01:03 PM
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Tue Feb-06-07 01:21 PM
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12. keep those bills coming |
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Keep bringing this debate to the GOP and let them keep ignoring it.
Its the GOPS funeral.
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Tue Feb-06-07 01:32 PM
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13. Kerry's deadline is Bush's dreadline. |
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Tue Feb-06-07 06:29 PM
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19. Which would make Bush have to stick to it |
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But I bet his plan isn't Bush's plan, in that he has one, and I'm pretty sure Bush doesn't beyond sending more troops.
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Tue Feb-06-07 01:33 PM
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Tue Feb-06-07 02:04 PM
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15. Symbolism is a fine thing. |
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I think we need more symbolic gestures like this, so we all feel better about Iraq. But let's not actually do anything substanive, like cut off the funding. That could get us in trouble with, you know, the punditry.
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Tue Feb-06-07 05:38 PM
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17. Nonbinding resolutions are sybols. This isn't a symbol - it's a solid withdrawal plan. |
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Tue Feb-06-07 06:25 PM
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18. Where are you reading the words non-binding anywhere |
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Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 06:28 PM by LittleClarkie
Just wondering.
It's not a resolution. It's a bill.
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Tue Feb-06-07 08:17 PM
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20. Same answer to both of you: |
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It's symbolism because it isn't going to pass, no way, no how, and Kerry knows it. Even if a miracle occurred and it DID pass, Bush would veto it. Kerry knows that too. So it's just posturing, at this point--pure theater. And Kerry is entirely aware of that reality, too.
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Tue Feb-06-07 09:06 PM
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21. As a Senator, what else has he got |
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And what's the point of theater when you're not running for president.
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Tue Feb-06-07 09:13 PM
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22. Do not try - Logic escapes to some people. |
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Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 09:15 PM by Mass
If offering a resolution that has no chance of passing is posturing, what is offering a resolution of cutting funds? Total posturing?
No, of course. It is leadership in both cases because they know they are offering propositions that probably will not pass but will push the debate further. This is what they have been doing for more than 2 years now. So, kudos to both of them (Feingold and Kerry) for offering propositions that include a deadline.
We need more and more bills going in the same direction: offering solutions to get out of Iraq.
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Tue Feb-06-07 09:21 PM
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27. Chris Cillizza of the Washington Post disagreed with that |
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He said that this is a step in the process for getting a real resolution on the floor and passed in this session.
There are, after all, all those Repub Senators who are up next year who do not want to have the Iraq War hung like and albatross around their necks. Cillizza predicted that within a few weeks to a few months, this stuff will start to have teeth and to pass.
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Tue Feb-06-07 09:14 PM
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23. Who has filed a bill to cut off funding? |
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Tue Feb-06-07 09:15 PM
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24. Feingold - In 6 months. |
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Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 09:18 PM by Mass
http://feingold.senate.gov/%7Efeingold/releases/07/01/20070131iraq.htmlHowever, note that this is only combat forces. All bills offered have the same provisions concerning training, counterterrorism, and protection of US personnels and infrastructures.
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Tue Feb-06-07 09:20 PM
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26. Very good. I had heard him propose |
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this but didnt' realize he filed the bill. It is time.
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Tue Feb-06-07 10:48 PM
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28. That wouldn't come in the form of a separate bill, most likely. |
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It would be part of the budget. And it's the only strategy that has a realistic chance of working right now.
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Tue Feb-06-07 04:05 PM
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16. Posted the full release |
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Tue Feb-06-07 09:17 PM
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25. They should keep filing it and filing it as |
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an ammendment, a bill, and a resolution. It is always matched by a competing milder proposal moving the senate at least in the right direction.
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