Neal Boortz has got Michael Vick's number

[Wiregrass Willie]

I'm not a big fan of Boortz, but I caught a few minutes of him on the car radio this morning. Much to my surprise he is criticizing the Atlanta Falcons for trying to get Vick off without a felony conviction for his dog fighting capers.

I personally think the Falcons and the NFL should kick this guy out of pro ball. I am of the minority opinion that we should show children that there are many things in life which are far more important than winning a damn ball game.

Now .. back to Vick. Personally, I have no doubt that he knew of and was a willing and eager participant in this blood "sport" of dog fighting. I'm an animal lover. I particularly love dogs. I would have no problem whatsoever seeing him serve some time in jail for his crime. I believe that people can be judged by how they treat animals. If what they allege about Michael Vick is true then he is completely lacking any sense of morality and human decency. Jail might be too good for him. Better to baste him in steak sauce and throw him into a cage full of the very dogs he so loved to brutalize....

... As long as Michael Vick is part of the organization, (Atlanta Falcons) the organization, for me, ceases to exist. My wife is from Jacksonville, so I'm now officially a Jaguars fan.

http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html

[Buzz Clik]

1. Wow. Vick was indicted last week but has been tried and convicted already?

Talk about swift justice. Must be a record.

[Captain Hilts]

3. He has no inherent right to play in the NFL. As the property owner...

he is, at minimum, complicit to some degree, with the crime.

In addition to that this is being tried as a conspiracy, so if one of them is guilty, they're all guilty. Vick does not have to have personally participated in the dogfights.

He certainly does deserve a fair trial, but the NFL is cracking down on players who have gotten into trouble and they've suspended a couple prior to trials already.

[stirlingsliver]

4. Vick Is Rich. He'll Walk

Vick is rich. He can afford to buy attorneys -- good ones.

He'll walk.

The rich ones always do.

[Wiregrass Willie]

6. Neal got that right, too.

Like any broken clock, Boortz is right twice today.

So, where does this "innocent until proven guilty" stuff come in? The presumption of innocence is, in my view, a limitation that is primarily place on government. Generally speaking, only government can use force – deadly force – to deprive you of your property, your liberty or your life. If the government is going to do so as punishment for the commission of a crime, then the government must afford you your constitutional rights and prove your guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. It is the government, then, that must consider you to be innocent until otherwise proven. After the act, the rapist is only innocent in the eyes of government. The victim views him quite differently

[Buzz Clik]

11. Keep in mind, that like a broken clock, Boortz is correct for less than two seconds per day.

Being innocent until proven guilty does not apply only to the government.

Vick already is paying a heavy price for his association with this nightmare -- he's suffering personally and financially. However, to deprive him of his livelihood until this case becomes more clear is simply wrong.

Anybody who waves Neal Boortz around as a source of wisdom has lost their way.

[Thothmes]

14. Almost as swift as the the four men from Duke got.

[Buzz Clik]

15. There are some parallels, but some differences as well.

In this case, Vick looks guilty as he could be. If he is so clearly guilty that no level of slick lawyerin' will get him off, then he will certainly lose it all. As it stands, half of Atlanta hates him, Nike is hedging on his shoe endorsement, and his teammates are getting edgy (to say the least).

My suggestion is we put away the rash condemnations and the lynch ropes, and let justice take its course.

And if a crew of high-dollar attorneys get him off the hook, well, that's the American way.

[rudeboy666]

2. Sadistic Fantasies

I am always amused by the sadistic fantasies (in the form of cruel and unusual punishment illustrations) on the part of many who are supposedly concerned with the evils of cruelty on sentient beings.

[TNOE]

5. Perfect Timing

I think. I've noticed all the RWingers lamenting over the "horror" of what Vick did (and it is HORRIBLE) - and yet these are the very same people that cheers and condones Bush's Torture policies. I've called them all on it - and now there is "dead silence".

Faux News has been all over this too - saying how horrible it is, etc., etc, so I'm sure that's where they got their talking points.

HOWEVER, if your sickened that this type of thing is being done to ANIMALS - why are you okay with what is being done to HUMAN BEINGS?

They all ran away - no answer.

[Wiregrass Willie]

7. That's where they always get their talking points

Faux News has been all over this too - saying how horrible it is, etc., etc, so I'm sure that's where they got their talking points.

I thought it amusing but one day a few months back I caught Boortz on the car radio (again) He is fairly truthful and he explained how Sean Hannity calls him just about every morning. He didn't say, but I believe that Hannity, Boortz and a few other talk show hosts keep each other up to speed. Imagine who embarrassing it would be if they were looking at a subject from different view points. All of Limbaugh's little "dildo heads" would get confused. As a famous Southern politician once said "You have to keep the the brush cut down so the monkeys can see".

[flvegan]

8. NBA star Allen Iverson has his back, though

NORFOLK, Va. - NBA star Allen Iverson offered some words of advice to beleaguered NFL player Michael Vick, telling the accused dogfighting sponsor on Saturday to "keep his head up."

Iverson spoke at halftime during a celebrity flag-football game he hosted in Norfolk, Va., as part of his Allen Iverson Summer Classic Weekend.

The Denver Nuggets guard and former Philadelphia 76er said he isn't surprised by the criticism leveled at Vick, a fellow Virginia native who faces charges of sponsoring a dogfighting ring.

"Some people feel like we're spoiled," he added.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19916989/

Iverson, the sweetie that HE is...

[SoCalDem]

9. To guys like Boortz, "black" trumps "scumbag-ness"

If Vick were a white country-western icon, Boortz & his ilk would be touting dogfighting as a "heritage" thing.:puke:

[Wiregrass Willie]

10. I doubt Boortz is above a little racism ...

But in this one instance, I think he is sincere. Like me -- he is an animal lover. That trumps race or economics even for a right wing talk show host.

[KharmaTrain]

12. Innocent Til Proven Guilty...

A local sports show discussed this aspect last night and the tricky place the NFL is put in.

First...screw the Atlanta Falcons. The team is owned by major Repugnican donors...Home Despot...and there's no reason the team can't suspend this dude right now...keep it as an internal matter pending the legal matter. The NFL's situation isn't as clear-cut. The league faces all sorts of legal hurdles as if they suspend Vick before he's convicted, then this sets the precedence where the league can or must suspend all players facing legal actions...and this could violate various union contracts and other messes. The league is hoping the team takes the action..and the hosts were suggesting that that may be what's going on behind the scenes...as this would make it easier for all involved.

Another aspect here that they brought up was the type of crimes. Many football players are arrested for self-abusive activities...DWIs and these matters are best handled privately whereas Vick's alleged crimes were wonton and he pursued the "hobby" in spite of its illegality. Just on the fact alone he needs to be treated differently. An interesting take.

[Wiregrass Willie]

13. So let's picket Home Depot

I bet it would be a better and smarter move than for animal lovers to picket the Falcons. If the Falcons decide to protect Vick from punishment, I will take all my DIY business to Lowes.