**************OFFICIAL THREAD 8 FOR SENATE JUDICIARY****

[bdamomma]

thread 7 here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1419698&mesg_id=1419698

[Blackhatjack]

1. Torture analysis -- asked for docs....

[Blackhatjack]

3. Claims he does not know what docs might have been produced

[Eurobabe]

2. 1st rec!!

[Jack Rabbit]

4. 4th rec

!!

[LSK]

5. Kennedy is up now

[truebrit71]

6. Kennedy going after him again about torture...

...Gonzo better be careful here...

[goclark]

11. Kick him with your words Kennedy

please get this clown out of office!

[Blackhatjack]

7. Questioning about the Exec Order on torture...

[IChing]

8. kennedy talking about waterboarding

why is that not prohibited?

[WinkyDink]

9. Torture is SO ambiguous, don't you know?!

[Solly Mack]

10. I'm so ashamed...I'm so sorry to everyone harmed by my government

for the love of all that is good and decent...arrest that man

[Blackhatjack]

12. Nothing Gonzo says has any credibility... he is just spinning

[AndyA]

13. Kennedy is getting to Gonzo, his voice is really shaky.

Go, Ted!

[LSK]

basically what is not list in the order is being used

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. BINGO!

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. Kennedy reading off prohibited torture techniques and asking why Gonzo won't prohibit the 5 Durbin

read off?

"Other activities that aren't so clear so I cannot comment on them."

[LSK]

15. because the asshole is using them

[LSK]

Kennedy: The fact that you say you wont use them is a violation of the Geneva Conventions

[goclark]

123. Bingo! Go Kennedy ~ Geneva is the magic word

The next magic word is HAGUE!

[librechik]

17. and the CNN keeps the LEADER on screen, ignoring the actual news

what a disgrace.

[malta blue]

18. We don't torture????

:spank:

[bdamomma]

28. unbelieveable not very good examples for our children

do not grow up to be gonzo, he lies and lies.

[Solly Mack]

19. IF AMerica doesn't torture (and it DOES) then why did the MCA of 2006

grant immunity to those who torture?

Why did it redefine torture and the War Crimes Act of 1996

LIAR!!! War Criminal!!!

[Lasher]

20. Kennedy talking about Peace Corps diplomats getting political briefings

And he's asking G if his department has received such briefings. Kennedy asking G if such briefings are a violation of the Hatch Act.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

21. Wait a minute, Ted asked if the DOJ issued any

Memorandums about the last executive order from the WH. Gonzo replies that the DOJ helped/advised the WH in the writing of it.

Is there anything wrong with that? That really shouldn't happen, right?

[Norquist Nemesis]

33. Theoretically, DOJ would be looking out for the People and preserving

our rights under the Constitution. In reality, DOJ is looking out for #43 and preserving his Presidency to do whatever whims he might have.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

56. I found that astonishing, The DOJ helps write these WH executive decisions

I thought Fielding and Addington did these things. I have a headache.

[kestrel91316]

120. The DOJ is no longer the DOJ. It's just the office of WH counsel on steroids.

[bobthedrummer]

22. LIAR!!!!!

[Blackhatjack]

23. Gonzo wishes he knew what the Hatch Act was....

"...let me get more information."

[LiberalFighter]

55. How can one in that position not know the Hatch Act?

[myrna minx]

24. Kennedy: Had Karl Rove given you political directives?

Gonzolas: I don;t believe so.

:eyes:

[bdamomma]

25. arrest this guy huh?

he is disgrace and a criminal. and he can take * with him.

[Canuckistanian]

26. Kennedy and Durbin must have coordinated their questions

All the tortures that Durbin mentioned were NOT in the Executive Order.

So when Kennedy asked him about "the previously mentioned tortures", Gonzo couldn't deny that they were still "legal".

[Lasher]

31. Leahy up now

[LSK]

27. now his memory is so good that he can remember someones testimony

:crazy:

[spanone]

30. Yes, that's called Lying.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

32. Selective memory lapse is an affliction sweeping the WH. n/t

[rodeodance]

29. AP: White House defends political briefings

White House defends political briefings

By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer 32 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The White House said Tuesday that there was nothing improper about Bush administration political advisers briefing top diplomats about key congressional and gubernatorial races and President Bush's re-election goals.


"You've got political appointees getting political briefings," White House press secretary Tony Snow said Tuesday with a dose of sarcasm. "I'm shocked. Shocked."

Snow was asked about political briefings requested by six envoys — all political appointees, who were rewarded with coveted ambassadorial positions in western Europe for their long-standing ties to Bush and the Republican Party.

At the State Department, spokesman Sean McCormack said the briefings had not violated either the Hatch Act or the department's own "very strict guidelines" that bar partisan political activity by diplomats.

[Blackhatjack]

34. OK here comes the Goodling questions.....

[truebrit71]

39. Here we go....

...

[truebrit71]

35. Does this poisoned hobbit's accent bother anyone else?

..it sounds sooooooooooooooooooooo condescending....

[Laurab]

38. Everything about him bothers me

he is such a snake - no offense to snakes, but I don't like them, either.

[Lasher]

87. Specter does not find Gonzo's testimony credible

Committee will review your testimony very carefully

Edit: Oops, meant to post to the main OP

[Gregorian]

41. He's condescending. That's why his voice sounds that way.

Same with Bush.

Funny, I just discovered how it works, I think.

[partylessinOhio]

36. Kennedy asks if something is against the Hatch Act.

Gonzo says he doesn't know, let me check on that.

(I just tuned in and didn't get all of Kennedy's question.)

Isn't it obvious that Gonzo is plain dumb beyond being a stooge for his commander? He can't answer anything. When he tries, he gives the wrong answer. Then later he has to correct it.

This man is our AG and he doesn't know anything. He needs to go!

[Blackhatjack]

37. ANd here it is.... DId he attempt to shape Goodling's testimony?

[LSK]

48. "he was trying to console an emotionally distraught women"

[LSK]

49. she was "confused"

[bdamomma]

40. the shit is hitting the fan, isn't it?

in more ways than one.

[truebrit71]

43. No kidding...he HAS to go...the Senate needs to remove him because the WH won't..

...what a dumb-fuck...

[Gregorian]

44. We certainly wouldn't be hearing this discussion four years ago.

This dam is busted.

[Beelzebud]

42. The next time a cop or judge asks me a question I'll just say: "I don't recall being aware."

Because the chief law enforcement officer in the United States of America seems to think that is an acceptable answer to a question.

[Blackhatjack]

45. All that previous inconsistent testimony sure makes it hard to lie today....

[Hepburn]

46. What a fucking load of CRAP from Gonzo....

...the tried to COMFORT Monica G!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

:rofl:

[SpiralHawk]

53. An obvious repulicon LIAR - lying to America, a republicon tradition

The republicons are incapable of telling the truth to the people of America.

[Canuckistanian]

47. "The WH is in the (phone) book.. you might want to contact them"

:rofl:

[goclark]

124. Did Gonzo say that ~ "WH in phone book...?"

[Canuckistanian]

126. No, Leahy said that to Gonzo n/t

[Solly Mack]

50. Making a mockery of Nuremberg by allowing those war criminals to remain in office

[in_cog_ni_to]

51. NOW he admits he talked to Goodling, but was only consoling her...a distraught woman,

HE LIED in his earlier testimony.

[bdamomma]

60. oh, just throw him out huh?

his smug ass needs to go with the rest of them.

[in_cog_ni_to]

66. I hope this hearing is the final nail in his coffin!

[kestrel91316]

121. Did he hold her close and pat her poor little back?

Enquiring minds want to know.....

[WinkyDink]

52. Leahy needs to connect his ire to his backbone. OMG---Leahy asked ANOTHER "What will you do?"

"What are you going to do?" GAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!! ANOTHER "I'll do better" QUESTION!!

[Beelzebud]

54. "I wasn't shaping her testimony,

I just wanted to let her know that I didn't think anyone had done anything wrong."

Is this fucking guy for real or what?

[Javaman]

58. "I was merely suggesting to her what to say to save my ass" nt

[spanone]

59. he IS for real, that's why they have to stop this bastard. treason.

[DesEtoiles]

62. Jesus F'ing Christ. We are so far thru the looking glass.

[Norquist Nemesis]

57. Did Gonzo get his law degree by mail?

"As far as I know, nothing wrong was done."
"No one KNOWINGLY did anything wrong."

:crazy:

[Javaman]

65. conversely, does that mean people unknowingly did things right?

:rofl:

[bdamomma]

69. sounds like a two year old...

or maybe some two years are smarter. geez, what a disgrace.

[goclark]

125. Law Degree from Kiddy Kar Kollege

:rofl:

[Blackhatjack]

61. Specter is up again...

[in_cog_ni_to]

63. Specter again.

[WinkyDink]

67. Time for Spector to rehab Gonzo. Notice his more solicitous tone of voice.

[truebrit71]

72. Dunno about that...let's see...

.

[WinkyDink]

94. Okay. He's looking pretty good now.

[rodeodance]

92. so far is is kicking him while he is doen!

[truebrit71]

68. talking about special prosecutor again..

..sounds promising...

[pinto]

80. Sounds as if he's laying the groundwork to file in contempt charges.

:shrug:

[truebrit71]

86. Yup, yup. yup!!!

..

[LSK]

64. is this second round?

[shadowknows69]

73. Contempt proceedings that will result from all this

w00t

[in_cog_ni_to]

75. yes.

[Solly Mack]

70. oh sure..feed us some more bullshit....What fucking credibility?

[senseandsensibility]

71. Is this on c-span?

Sorry I'm coming to this late.

[spanone]

77. CSPAN3

[senseandsensibility]

88. Thanks

I guess it's not important enough for cspan one or two, or the "news" networks that people can actually watch.:sarcasm:

[malaise]

CSpan3

Specter says Gonzo is not credible.

[in_cog_ni_to]

90. span 3 has it. watch here...link:

http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan3_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

[LiberalFighter]

74. Too bad there isn't a secret organization that eliminates scum like Gonzales.

Oh, if only Remo the Destroyer was around. And hopefully, Smith knew when to ignore the current President's orders.

[Blackhatjack]

76. "I do not find your testimony credible" Specter

[senseandsensibility]

101. Good for Spector

but we need some follow through on this. I've heard the tough talk from him and others before.

[Beelzebud]

78. I DEMAND THEY REMOVE ALBERTO GONZALEZ FROM OFFICE.

This has gone on far enough.

The Democratic leadership needs to act, TODAY.

This man should be charged with perjury, obstruction of justice, impeached for failing to uphold the constitution.

[Solly Mack]

79. I really shouldn't be watching this

...I taste blood

[Sweet Freedom]

81. Specter: I do not find your testimony credible

[bobthedrummer]

82. Lie some more and protect the universal fascists in our White House

while we decide what to do about a few things that we do know.

"A DU collaborative investigation: Thelma Colbert, Shannon Ross and other deaths at DoJ" (5-8-2007)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x847120

"Terror suspect WORKED for CIA's airline that was used for extraordinary rendition" (6-1-2007)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1038783

"Network hosting Attorney General scandal E-mail's also hosted Ohio's 2004 election results"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x735051

"Subpoena Susan B. Ralston. She holds the key to WH e-mail systems, election night '04 and Abramoff" (3-26-2007)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x505855

"Attorney General Alberto Gonzales Sandbagged Novation LLC Prosecution"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2809066

[myrna minx]

83. Specter: I don't find you credible.

You had better review your testimony very carefully. We will to look for anything actionable.

(paraphrased)

[truebrit71]

84. DAMN!!! Spector says Gonzo testimony not credible!!

>>

[Blackhatjack]

85. "I suggest you review you testimony very carefully...." Specter

[truebrit71]

91. Now THAT is a threat...

...I can't believe my ears...

[shadowknows69]

93. didn't they give him that chance last time?

please don't throw me in jail-Gonzo

[WinkyDink]

105. I thought so. Too much allowance is being afforded this treasonous liar.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

97. Specter is Drawling again.

LOL, Give it to him.

[malaise]

98. I disagree with you categorically

You did not follow procedures.

Fuck you Gonzo.

[annabanana]

89. "credebility breached to the point of being actionable"

[truebrit71]

96. Spector is kicking the ever-loving shit out this guy..

...holy crap!

[Breeze54]

104. Loving it!!

:woohoo: :woohoo:

[Occulus]

103. DAY-amn

Ouch. I felt that from way over here.

[kestrel91316]

122. This from a Repuke???

[Blackhatjack]

95. Unbelievable! Gonzo has spent only 5-10 min on a death penalty case....

"You owe the process more than 5-10 min"

[WinkyDink]

110. Maybe 5-10 minutes; Gonzo was vague.

[Solly Mack]

99. That enabling piece of shit did not just say testimony would be reviewed to see IF

the Torture Czars credibility has been breached to the point of being actionable?

As if it's a question?
As if the fucker has any credibility?
A fucking war criminal?

I'm sorry...but to even frame the issue as if there is any question whatsoever that Gonzales has any credibility much less credibility that "might" have been breached is ENABLING language

[annabanana]

100. Take another look at all the death penalty cases....

[spanone]

108. YEA, like gonzo will, my assssss.

[Beelzebud]

102. And now Magic Bullet throws a bone to the right-wing, and brings up the murdering border guards....

Specter is just as much of a useless piece of shit as Gonzalez.

[bdamomma]

106. THREAD 9 BELOW

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=389

[bear425]

115. Thanks alyce! n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

107. Oxycontin? Huh?

[rodeodance]

109. whow HO----Specter telling Gonzo he has NOT adequately reviewing DEATH p

penality cases. whow

[Blackhatjack]

111. "People died from use of oxycontin... and would justify 2nd degree murder...you agreed to a fine"

[Lasher]

112. Specter is raking Gonzo over the coals.

Remember when the USA replacement legislation was slipped into the Patriot Act renewal? Specter got scapegoated for doing that by other Republicans but was not behind it. I think Specter is still a little annoyed about that.

[spanone]

113. Wanna bet by the end of the day bu$h* 'stands behind his AG' ?

[partylessinOhio]

114. Spector: "You don't take 5 or 10 minutes to decide on going for the death penalty.

That isn't enough time to be reflective!" WOW!

[napi21]

116. Poor Gonzo. Everything he deals with is "VERY COMPLICATED!"

Must be a rough life!!!!!

[Canuckistanian]

117. At best, Gonzo should be fired for sheer incompetence

If you listen to most of his answers, you get the impression he has NO CLUE what's going on in his own Department.

And the things he DOES know he can't mention because of "security" or "on-going investigations" reasons.

Fire his ass, right now.

[partylessinOhio]

118. Gonzo: "Sorry, Senator, I don't understand the question." ????

[Lasher]

119. Here's the link to thread 9

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1420336&mesg_id=1420336