Are You Out Of Your Mind? Impeachment _Will_ Trigger ...

[emanymton]

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coup d'etat.

Look, the system is gamed by the best. The most amazing thing of all is not what is illegal. The most astounding thing is what is legal.

The people in Washington D.C. have the game fixed, know all the angles and play for keeps. They will not stand by and allow a bunch of rough neck hooligans from the sticks to come in and knock over their illicit house of graft, grief and greed.

Rest assured that should the House Of Representatives make moves to impeach the thugs in the executive branch, shrub and Cheney _will_ make their move. One can expect this junta to declare martial law and affect a total coup d'etat by calling out the military. The media will acquiesce (Faux Noise will cheer) and go along.

The only thing in question will be, "What will the people do?"
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[unpossibles]

1. (A) I don't think they'd get away with it

and (B) that's no reason not to do it.

[emanymton]

6. Impeachment - All the Way. I Want My Country Back.

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When one draws one's sword against one's prince, throw away the scabbard. We will have to fight with our hearts and minds in order to keep America honest. But above all, impeach.
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[Atman]

7. I think the military would support the people, not BushCo

After all, look what he's done to them. Bush has been no friend to the military. The keep is for BushCo to surge enough additional troops over there so there is no one to fight on the people's behalf back home. There is a reason Bush has been systematically firing all the generals who disagree with him. They won't be around to muster the troops in defense of democracy.

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[rhiannon55]

16. Even if the military would support the people

what about the mercenaries? They are PAID to support BushCo and their policies.

[Occulus]

21. One word response: Blackwater. n/t

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[emanymton]

15. No. Never. I Want To Watch Them Squirm And Suffer As

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everything that they have lied, cheated and stolen for are taken away and dismantled!!

I'd pay to watch them be water-boarded!
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[zonmoy]

2. and the fact that they might be held accountable if they lose the next

election will make it likely that they will do just that anyways. they already have everything set up to end democracy. all they need is a plausible excuse.

[emanymton]

23. Impeach And Get It Out In The Open Now

[Mme. Defarge]

3. By this logic

the coup is really a fait accompli -- n'est pas?

[Zensea]

4. oh please

this is not dungeons and dragons

[Marr]

5. No it wouldn't. The big players on the right-wing could care less about ideology.

They want to game the system as much as possible, steal as much as possible. They're something like parasites- they don't want to kill the host, just feed off it.

There are ideologues as well-- people like those in the Bush Administration. But they won't be able to do anything without the support of the real players, and they're not about to toss the whole thing away for something like ideology. Ultimately, the people would stand for blatant despotism-- and they know it.

That's not to say the Bush Administration wouldn't *try* it. I wouldn't be in the least surprised to see them try it. But that's no reason to ignore Constitutional duties. And really, this reminds me somewhat of the arguments against filibustering Bush's Supreme Court nominees. 'Use our Constitutional power', they said, 'and we may lose it'. Well, if you won't *use* it, you may as well not have it.

[emanymton]

10. They Know What They Have Won't Stand.

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The threat to the crooks and liars who are in power is real. They know that if they are allowed to go out the front door on 20 January 2009, the people will not likely come after them with much zeal.

Should the criminals be forced out through impeachment, then all is exposed and vulnerable. So I say, impeach.

And when 'We The People' are through with them, render them to the International Court Of Justice in The Netherlands.
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[Turbineguy]

8. With any luck

Bush will start a Civil War in the US.

[emanymton]

13. Sadly It Has Already Begun.

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THERE'S SOMETHING VERY WRONG WHEN …

… citizens of a united country are encouraged by their government to see each other as enemies.

… a voter has to wonder whether his vote was counted accurately, or even counted at all.

… a president dismisses the counsel of experienced advisors, and the will of the majority of the people, and pursues his own course of action - even when his course has been proven wrong time and again.

… elected representatives put their loyalty to their party above the best interests of those who they have sworn to serve.

… billions of taxpayers’ dollars go missing in ‘the fog of war’, and no one even bothers to ask where the money has gone.

… an entire American city is destroyed by natural disaster, and the government considers the city, and its people, ‘expendable’.

… elected representatives allow the president to over-step the boundaries of his office and circumvent the law, without speaking up against either.

… so-called Christian leaders encourage their flock to support not only the mindless violence of war, but the mindless violence of torture.

… hard-working Americans watch their jobs outsourced to cheaper labor markets, as their government hands out tax-breaks to the corporations that do so.

… US companies go bankrupt due to lack of operating funds, while the CEO of that company walks away with millions.

… US companies cannot fulfill their pension obligations to workers, but can still afford to fulfill the Golden Parachute provisions promised to upper management.

… American citizens have to work a year to make the same salary the CEO of the company that employs them makes in one day.

… illegal immigrants are considered criminals for working in the US, while the US companies that illegally employ them are not.

… billions of dollars for a war that is accomplishing nothing is considered a wise investment, but funding health care for US citizens is considered too costly to discuss.

… the rumor-mill at the office water-cooler is a more reliable news source than the print media, TV and radio ‘news’ shows – combined.

… The War on Christmas gets coverage, while the war on citizens’ rights and freedoms gets none.

… teenagers get ‘visits’ from the FBI based on their library book choices, but authors who espouse the idea that “McVeigh should have bombed the NY Times building and its employees” are free to speak on nationally-broadcasted TV/radio shows without interference.

… US citizens have to read newspapers published in foreign countries to find out the truth of what’s happening in their own country.

… the TV news media spends days covering the escapades of a ‘runaway bride’, but dismisses weeks of post-2004 election fraud hearings in Ohio courtrooms as ‘internet rumors gone amok’.

… satirical comedy shows like The Daily Show and the Colbert Report are considered by audiences to be ‘the real news’, while so-called ‘legitimate’ news shows are considered to be laughable at best.

… an American citizen has to post all of the above truths on a website, because her own government refuses to recognize them, no less address them.

[bobbolink]

9. THEN, DAMMIT, TAKE IT OUT OF THE CONSTITUTION!

Goddammit, the fear run rampant in this place!

[emanymton]

11. Not On My Life. This Is A Call To Arms To Impeach The Bastards!!

[bobbolink]

12. Then, pardon me.... I misunderstood.... sounded like a fearful plea to drop the whole thing

I'll see your call, and raise you a shout!

:hi:

[toadzilla]

17. so if we cant get them out by impeaching, you think they'll step down when they loose the election?

or is there just no solution in your mind....

[Richard Steele]

19. Exactly.

This OP makes no damn sense.

[emanymton]

22. Impeach And Get It Out In The Open Now

[reichstag911]

18. So...

...we should just wait for the coup d'etat to happen some time before January, 2009 instead? Get it out in the open now.

[emanymton]

20. Get It Out In The Open Now

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Yes!

Bring back the rule of law.

Impeach! Imprison.
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[reichstag911]

26. I'm confused;...

...every one of your posts subsequent to the OP argues for impeachment now, but not the OP.

[emanymton]

27. I Apologize. My Point Is To Bring This To A Head.

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I have had enough of the lies.

Impeachment is the only course left to the people. Congress may try to use sophistry to avoid the issue but I am not prepared to allow them.

It is time. No excuses, non nonsense.
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[dkofos]

24. The coup d'etat happened 12/12/2000

[VP505]

25. All the more reason to IMPEACH!

The Bu$h cabal is like a festering vesicle on the back side of "WE The People", if articles of impeachment will bring it to a head, so be it, we cannot continue to allow them (Bu$hCo) to continue imposing their criminality on everything and everyone. IMHO!

[Megahurtz]

28. Sadly, You Nailed It.

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[checks-n-balances]

29. We have to show the world that we DON'T want them to lead us

And that's IMPORTANT! Think of the people across who have had to fight for their freedom, all on their own, without all the niceities that we have in this country. Or othere countries who are as well-off but would love to have our Constitution as their governing principle.

The world is probably waiting at least for Congress to stand up for their own power that's being taken away. For one thing, we may need them to intervene if we get overpowered (assuming that they have the resources and the desire even to do it).

For decades we've been asking why the German people let things happen to them, and now we understand better.

I just hope one day the rest of the world won't be asking,

"Why didn't the American people do something about it?"

[warren pease]

30. So we can either impeach and suffer the consequences...

or not impeach and suffer the same consequences -- assuming they're not just blowing smoke when they put out a blueprint for martial law, triggered by anything Bushie says constitutes an emergency, giving him sole authority to maintain governmental continuity... (and by the way, let's make 'em even edgier by threatening to seize the assets of anyone who gives us shit).

I fail to see much difference in either outcome, so we might as well impeach the bastards and get all six + years of their filthy, lying, blood-soaked, incompetent, fascist regime in the public record.


wp

[emanymton]

33. Bingo!!!

[Richard Steele]

31. Do you imagine that NOT impeaching will somehow avoid their CURRENTLY ONGOING coup?

Their "coup" has been underway for years-
you're pretending that inaction will somehow
"prevent" something that is ALREADY HAPPENING.

DENIAL is not a worthwhile defense strategy.

[emanymton]

32. No kidding. It Is Time To Bring It All Out Into The Open.

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Do it because it is right. Do it for the future. Just do it. Damn it.
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