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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 03:23 PM
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19000 unpaid teens bag groceries in Mexico for WALMART: Tips only.
If it wasn't for the remnants of the US Nanny State, we could have this here, too. Darn.

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By Joseph Contreras
Newsweek
Updated: 3:33 p.m. ET July 31, 2007

July 31, 2007 - Wal-Mart prides itself on cutting costs at home and abroad, and its Mexican operations are no exception. That approach has helped the Arkansas-based retail giant set a track record of spectacular success in the 16 years since it entered Mexico as a partner of the country’s then-leading retail-store chain. But some of the company’s practices have aroused concern among some officials and nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) that Wal-Mart is taking advantage of local customs to pinch pennies at a time when its Mexican operations have never been more profitable.

Wal-Mart is Mexico’s largest private-sector employer in the nation today, with nearly 150,000 local residents on its payroll. An additional 19,000 youngsters between the ages of 14 and 16 work after school in hundreds of Wal-Mart stores, mostly as grocery baggers, throughout Mexico—and none of them receives a red cent in wages or fringe benefits. The company doesn’t try to conceal this practice: its 62 Superama supermarkets display blue signs with white letters that tell shoppers: OUR VOLUNTEER PACKERS COLLECT NO SALARY, ONLY THE GRATUITY THAT YOU GIVE THEM. SUPERAMA THANKS YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING. The use of unsalaried youths is legal in Mexico because the kids are said to be “volunteering” their services to Wal-Mart and are therefore not subject to the requirements and regulations that would otherwise apply under the country’s labor laws. But some officials south of the U.S. border nonetheless view the practice as regrettable, if not downright exploitative. “These kids should receive a salary,” says Labor Undersecretary Patricia Espinosa Torres. “If you ask me, I don’t think these kids should be working, but there are cultural and social circumstances rooted in poverty and scarcity.”

In a country where nearly half of the population scrapes by on less than $4 a day, any income source is welcome in millions of households, even if it hinges on the goodwill of a tipping customer. And Wal-Mart did not invent the bagger program that, as a written statement from the company notes, pre-dates the firm’s arrival in Mexico, nor is it alone within the country’s retail sector in benefiting from the toil of unpaid adolescents. But in Mexico City, for example, the 4,300 teenagers who work in Wal-Mart’s retail stores free of charge dwarf similar numbers laboring unpaid for Mexican competitors like Comercial Mexicana (715) and Gigante (427). Although Wal-Mart’s worldwide code of ethics expressly forbids any “associate” from working without compensation, the company’s Mexican subsidiary asserts that the grocery baggers “cannot be considered workers.” The Mexico City government’s top labor official dismisses that contention as so much corporate hogwash. “To my mind, that is not an accurate description because the bagger is providing a service on the store’s premises that benefits the company by serving the customer better,” argues Federal District Labor Secretary Benito Mirón Lince. “In economic terms, Wal-Mart does have the capability to pay the minimum wage , and this represents an injustice.”

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pepperbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 03:30 PM
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1. commissaries on military bases work the same way or at least they used to. n/t
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 03:43 PM
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6. I think they still do.. and most grocery stores used to do this
Edited on Fri Aug-03-07 03:44 PM by SoCalDem
When "supermarkets" came along, the "sackers" were paid with tips..usually kids of customers or employees..

There WAS a time when stores delivered your groceries to your home in boxes..hence the term "box-boys".. You unloaded them in your kitchen, gave him a tip, and that was IT. remember..people only had one car (if they even had a car) and Dad took the car to work..

Supermarkets & suburbs changed the way shopping got done..Moms had wheels and they liked to go to the store, and shop for themselves.. the former box-boys just started working inside the stores and carrying the groceries to the car.

I don't know when they started being paid-employees of the stores, but it's not always been that way.:)
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 03:32 PM
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2. "Taking advantage of local customs" is it!
In the local grocery in any small town, this is common practice...and a good thing. Even young teens can make a decent wage because baggers are always tipped because it is the way of life. These young kids are able to make some money and most do really well for the work that they do after school for a few hours. It is the local custom and it is a good thing. But for Walmart to take advantage of this is just sickening to me. Walmart has no soul.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 03:36 PM
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3. and the local groceries in small towns do have a soul!
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 03:37 PM
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4. No wonder they want to come to this country...
They want a job that pays...
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youngdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 03:39 PM
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5. Waiters in this country make less than three dollars an hour in a similar arrangement
Not so weird.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 03:50 PM
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7. That should also be changed ...

That should be changed as well. There should be no such thing as TIP WORK. Pay the waiters minimum and then tips will just be 5% instead of 10%.

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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 04:00 PM
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9. 5% instead of 10% for Tips?
Wow, they must love you when you pay a bill with a 10% tip.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 07:56 PM
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10. I pay 15%

I think you need to re-read what I wrote.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 08:17 PM
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12. I'm not sure what I mis-read
"Pay the waiters minimum and then tips will just be 5% instead of 10%".

What does "instead of 10%" mean? Is that the current norm?
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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 03:57 PM
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8. The pukes say we don't need no stinkin' minimum wage & Wally World agrees.
The pukes freed the slaves and have regretted it ever since. They are still hard at it, trying to reverse the only good thing they may have ever done for the working class. NAFTA is such a good idea, it may be only be a matter of time before they can finally pull this shit here instead of just selling goods made by slave labor overseas.
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Robson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 08:23 PM
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13. True...if we didn't have a virtual torrent of illegal immigrants
We would have no need for minimum wage in the USA if we had US wages based purely upon supply and demand. It would likely be $15-20 per hour now and CEOS would be paid far less as the gravy train would be gone.

Instead US wages are pressured and based purely upon an unlimited illegal supply of illegal workers. Question: What would happen to the Hollywood media business if they had to face an unlimited competitive supply of pirated DVDs? Yep Tom Cruise would likely be working for $100K a year or so instead of 25M a movie.

Both Ds and Rs in Congress need to get a grasp on reality instead of being grasped by pro-business lobbyists.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 07:59 PM
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11. There was a thread a couple of days ago on this
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