ISN"T THIS A CRIME??? - A Judge Ruled This ILLEGAL & Bush Went Ahead & Did It Anyway!!!

[kpete]

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

Someone CALL BULL and defend our Constitution.
Bush is committing crimes and the dems are working to give him more power?

I do not understand why they are trying to fix FISA - Who Are They Protecting? Certainly Not Us!

Why is the President allowed to break the law?

So,if the judge ruled this illegal,and Bush went ahead and did it anyway,
and then tried to cover it up -
wouldn’t that be a CRIME???

A federal intelligence court judge earlier this year secretly declared a key element of the Bush administration's wiretapping efforts illegal, according to a lawmaker and government sources, providing a previously unstated rationale for fevered efforts by congressional lawmakers this week to expand the president's spying powers.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/02/AR2007080202619_pf.htmlText

Article II, Section. 4.

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.


http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_transcript.html

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BEYOND BELIEF

Bush Insists Gonzales, Not FISA Court, Review Surveillance Program
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Legislation
Posted on Fri Aug 03, 2007

President Bush insists that it should be Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, not the FISA court, that should review the Administration's surveillance program.

And he will not sign a bill unless he gets his way. Bush makes the bizarre claim that having Gonzo, not the courts, review the program is necessary to keep us safe. Who in the heck believes that?

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/8/3/171530/2316

[aquart]

1. Yeah, we keep asking that.

Unfortunately, he can't get his dick up so there's no blowjob we can impeach on.

[sabra]

2. why do you think they are all scrambling now? It's CYA time @ BushCo

[jgraz]

11. Of course. The Dems are terrified that they might have to impeach

So, instead, they're making everything * did legal retroactively.

[PDJane]

3. Yeah, it's a crime.

and yeah, he should be impeached.

Actually, I'd like to see the war crimes tribunal in action......

[POAS]

4. Let's skip the

impeachment and turn em all over to the Hague!

[movonne]

6. I'm with you on this....

[Junkdrawer]

5. Bush is trying to blackmail Congress into making what he did legal-if-done-now...

And, if it would now be legal, it becomes politically impossible to charge him or anyone who worked for him with the crime.

The Blackmail? "If you don't pass it, I'll blame you for the next terror attack."

And, with the Saudi/Pakistani/rogue CIA infiltration of al Qaeda, that's not an idle threat and Congress knows it.

[percussivemadness]

7. Yes it is a crime, but Impeachment is off the table remember....

peace

[Disturbed]

10. In the New World Order of Amerika Busholini decides

what the Law is. Dems salute, click their heels and obey.

[Amonester]

36. and go out to vacation. n/t

[mmonk]

8. Yes, in a democracy.

In our new system with bully party and bullee party, you just have a session of congress and pass legislation making it retroactively legal and dismiss any constitutional problems.

[havocmom]

9. Yes, and they know it. Yellow faces, yellow ties, yellow bellies

The boys are in a corner and are trying to get Congress to give them a pass. Looks like they aren't too confident they bullying is gonna work this time



Mr. Vice pResident, do you need Rolaids? Barf bag? Nitro tablet? Ticket out of the country?

[Maraya1969]

16. bush and cheney are starting to look alike...like an old married couple

[havocmom]

18. old drunks all look alike to me

[BrainGlutton]

40. Cheney drinks?

[havocmom]

42. Remember that day he shot the lawyer?

He drinks some. Don't know that he is an alcoholic, but anybody who mixes gunpowder with booze has SOME sort of problem.

[Beelzebud]

12. Yes, but Pelosi doesn't think it's worth it.

[BeHereNow]

13. Pelosi is a BLIGHT on the democratic party. FUCK her. n/t

bhn

[Disturbed]

14. Pelosi is a wuss but isn't fucking spozed to be a nice thing

to do? I wish that sort of suggestion would never be posted here.

[BeHereNow]

15. Making love is nice, but getting FUCKED is getting fucked. Nothing nice about it.

And I wish NOTHING nice for Pelosi, conspirator in crimes against the people
of this country and others.
BHN

[The Stranger]

17. PAGING NANCY PELOSI, WE NEED TO PUT IMPEACHMENT BACK ON THE TABLE.

[BeHereNow]

22. Sorry, speaker Pelosi is busy counting her corporate cash payola for betraying the country

How dare you expect her to uphold her oath, $he is busy making money.
Don't you understand the concept of priorities?
BHN:sarcasm:

[redacted]

19. Now there can be no doubt: IMPEACHMENT IS NOW ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY UNDER THE

CONSTITUTION. Constitutional Law Professor Bruce Fein has been saying this over, and over, and over, on Bill Moyers' PBS TV show, on Thom Hartmann's show, and in his oped in the San Francisco Chronicle. It is NOT an option under these circumstances. This is a felony conviction.

But give up the impeachment option and you give up all your power. Remove the impeachment option and one might as well remove the entire separation of powers/divided government foundation upon which the United States Constitution was developed.

I think NANCY PELOSI should be impeached right now. She has betrayed and failed every Democrat and every American in this great land. She is required to act under the Constitution. She took an oath, too. But Pelosi will NOT act, and Bush will be in power as long as Nanci Pelosi is in power. Right now, I think SHE is the traitor of the moment.

This whole situation is appalling. I wish I could take more time away from work to post further.

[BattyDem]

24. I agree ... she has betrayed her oath of office.

She doesn't get to decide IF a president should be impeached - when impeachable offenses occur, she is required to ACT, whether she likes it or not! :grr:

[redacted]

30. Right BattyDem. THAT'S HER DUTY. She didn't take an oath to HIS MAJESTY,

she took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. She should have held a fucking press conference TODAY about THIS VERY RULING. But no, no, no, can't do that, might upset big donors? WHOSE SIDE IS SHE ON, ANYHOW?

[proud patriot]

20. where I come from people go to jail for disobeying Judges

x(

[BattyDem]

21. I didn't see this thread ... I just posted my outrage in another thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1506677

This is unfuckingbelievable, isn't it? :grr: :grr: :grr:

[percussivemadness]

23. sssssshhh.. The Pelosi Thought Police will get you

peace

[Solly Mack]

25. No. No.No. Bush makes "mistakes" and has other "policy failures"

[paparush]

26. Ergo, we will never see Gonzo resign ro be forced from office...

he is WAY too important to Bush**. Gonzo has Bush's front. SCOTUS has Bush's back...

[stop the bleeding]

27. I feel better now

With Gonzo providing oversight how could there be any missed terrorist? Or at least DU'ers need not to sweat about posting on the internets with someone as incompetent as Gonzo. Or maybe he would be in charge to get rid of people like DU - hmmmmmmmm

[Disturbed]

29. Pelosi said that the Pres, is a lovely man.

Did she wink when she said that? Did she make a funny face? Did she actually mean what she said? I didn't see her on the Charlie Rose Program so I don't know.

[Quantess]

31. I have this idea that they killed Nancy Pelosi and

replaced her with a Stepford wife.

[EOTE]

28. It's not illegal....

So long as you fully intend to force a law down congresses throats that retroactively makes your actions legal. And even then, you have signing statements and so forth. Should all that fail, if the President does it, that makes it legal. What? You thought we lived in a democracy? Ahh, I remember democracy.

[Kablooie]

32. Chill. Your Democratic representatives don't think it's a big problem so why do you?

Let the Democrats do their job for you, selling out your country to the Nazis. That's what they are there for.

[deacon]

33. Everyone knows this except the congress. n/t

[Decruiter]

34. Yes, KPete, back when white was white.

Now, black is white, white is black, there is no grey.

War is Peace.


Welcome to 1984 a few years later.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

35. they will probably rewrite history so that the judge never existed?

or FISA

[windoe]

37. Wanted; Democrats with Nuts

We are looking for Democrats with fully functional nuts, who are impervious to blackmail, where are you? Hellooooo!
Perhaps they are hiding their nuts at this time? That's the ticket...
I am tempted to wonder if they have an actual plan: go after Gonzales, then work their way up to the master criminals, and that the prosecuters do not wish to reveal their ingenious strategy at this time. I reserve one brain cell to hope that this is true.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

43. I guess we have to sit down with our congressmen and figure them out

[L. Coyote]

38. Background, history, news, editorials, commentary, MORE

SO, how many secret domestic spy programs are there anyway, and are they legal?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1481897

[Marr]

39. Kind of explains why Pelosi was so anxious to take impeachment "off the table", eh?

I mean, if they'd go so far as to rewrite the laws that Bush breaks, so as not to have anything to impeach him with... well, it suggests all their excuses about "not having the votes" and "not having the time" are pretty thin. They're just determined to enable his agenda.

[broadcaster]

41. What if Congress knew and didn't do anything...

would they also have committed an illegal act according to the oath of office
they took and the mandated oversight mission of Congress?

Perhaps this is why Congress was so anxious to give Bush what he wanted..to avoid
legal challenges on their own actionable behavior.

This Congress is dirty as can be. Bought, compromised, complicit in crimes of
wiretapping, etc.

No wonder Pelosi and Reid are looking the other way (and not attending Yearly Kos
where they'd certainly be asked about impeachment and why they caved again to Bush).