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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 04:04 PM
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Jane Mayer's indispensable story on the CIA black sites and the unlawful torture...
Edited on Sun Aug-05-07 04:13 PM by ProSense
Sunday, August 05, 2007


Jane Mayer on the Black Sites -- If You Read Only One Thing . . .

Marty Lederman

In this week's New Yorker, here's Jane Mayer's indispensable story on the CIA black sites and the unlawful torture and cruel treatment that has occurred there. This is the single best, and most important, article yet written on the torture scandal.

As we have tried to argue repeatedly in this space, it is the conduct at these black sites, and not so much Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, that is at the heart of the scandal -- or, at the very least, it's at the CIA black sites that the problems began, and that's where the primary action is now, after Hamdan and the MCA. This is not a case, like Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, where the government simply insisted that interrogators obtain actionable intelligence, promised them legal cover, and then turned a blind eye so that unsupervised thugs could do their dirty work. That was bad enough. But as Jane explains, the CIA program is much more systematized, approved in every detail at the highest levels of government, by DOJ and by the Director of Central Intelligence, instigated and pushed by the Vice President, and supervised by psychologists hired to give it a patina of respectability and orderliness. It is an official, systematic torture regime, conducted entirely in secret, and without any accountability, let alone punishment for those who have violated clear legal norms -- including the Torture Act, the War Crimes Act, and the prohibition on cruel treatment and torture in Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions.

I'll add more details about Jane's story shortly. In the meantime, it's a must-read.

UPDATE:

There are so many rich and remarkable details in Jane’s piece; no summary can do it justice. But here are some of the more important points:

-- In 2001, the CIA had no idea how to effectively interrogate suspects. Dentenion and interrogation were not traditional CIA functions, and so the agency solicited advice from, among others, . . . Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia, nations notorious for torture. There was substantial internal resistance in the CIA to this fundamental change in the agency's agenda -- and to implementing a system of detention and coercive interrogation without having any experience in such matters.

-- "The C.I.A.’s interrogation program is remarkable for its mechanistic aura. 'It’s one of the most sophisticated, refined programs of torture ever,' an outside expert familiar with the protocol said. 'At every stage, there was a rigid attention to detail. Procedure was adhered to almost to the letter. There was top-down quality control, and such a set routine that you get to the point where you know what each detainee is going to say, because you’ve heard it before. It was almost automated. People were utterly dehumanized. People fell apart. It was the intentional and systematic infliction of great suffering masquerading as a legal process. It is just chilling.'"

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-- I have repeatedly argued here that there is no justification for keeping secret what interrogation techniques the CIA is permitted to use. In particular, it is absurd to "classify" something that is revealed to people outside the government who have no duty of confidentiality, i.e., to the detainees on whom the techniques are used. Those persons are free to disclose the information to others, as they have now done to Red Cross interviewers. Because of this, it becomes necessary to detain these persons, in isolation, presumably forever, in order to impose a prior restraint on their speech concerning their knowledge of what our government has done to them. In a strange sort of circular logic, the interrogation becomes the justification for indefinite detention, even long after the interrogation ends. Thus, as Jane writes, "(t)he utter isolation of these detainees has been described as essential to America’s national security," so that they cannot reveal what happened to them.

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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 04:29 PM
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1. Recommended #2
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 06:00 PM
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2. Poem from Guantanamo
Poem from Guantanamo:

Jumah al Dossari, a 33-year-old Bahraini national, is the father of a young daughter. He has been held at Guantánamo Bay for more than five years. Detained without charge or trial, Dossari has been subjected to a range of physical and psychological abuses, some of which are detailed in "Inside the Wire," an account of the Guantánamo prison by former military intelligence soldier Erik Saar. He has been held in solitary confinement since the end of 2003 and, according to the US military, has tried to kill himself 12 times while in the prison. On one occasion, he was found by his lawyer, hanging by his neck and bleeding from a gash to his arm.

DEATH POEM

Take my blood.
Take my death shroud and
The remnants of my body.
Take photographs of my corpse at the grave, lonely.
Send them to the world,
To the judges and
To the people of conscience,
Send them to the principled men and the fair-minded.
And let them bear the guilty burden, before the world,
Of this innocent soul.
Let them bear the burden, before their children and before history,
Of this wasted, sinless soul,
Of this soul which has suffered at the hands of the "protectors of peace."

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 05:02 PM
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15. recommended
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 08:00 PM
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3. Kick! n/t
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 08:41 PM
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4. KGB method
It starts with isolation. Then they eliminate the prisoners’ ability to forecast the future—when their next meal is, when they can go to the bathroom. It creates dread and dependency. It was the K.G.B. model. But the K.G.B. used it to get people who had turned against the state to confess falsely. The K.G.B. wasn’t after intelligence.”


Seems like an important distinction.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 08:42 PM
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5. This is awful
I can't believe anyone in our country would do such horrible things. What happened to the morals of our country?
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 03:43 AM
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6. Just turn on your television set.
This kind of thing is glamorized several times an hour.

The morals of this country are negatively influenced by a small pack of criminals who own most of our media.

They have been working for years, psychologically breaking our natural resistance to these acts.

USA Uber Alles!!!

Slash through their defenses and run it right up the gut!!!

America, Fuck Yeah!!!

:headbang:
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:06 AM
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11. ...and Congress just voted up some more
as usual. :mad:
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 06:40 AM
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7. morning kick
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:00 AM
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8. Steve Clemons at The Washington Note
Jane Mayer Building a Case That Could Be Used Against Cheney

The New Yorker's Jane Mayer has an extremely important piece in the 13 August edition of the magazine titled "The Black Sites: A Rare Look Inside the CIA's Secret Interrogation Program."

I knew from other sources that Mayer was working on a major article that would expose a closely held International Committee of the Red Cross report finding that American interrogators were using torture techniques -- but did not know that her piece would be so comprehensive. This article -- which is very long -- should be read in full by anyone who wants to understand the details of the "darkness at noon" like intrigue that we have created. And it doesn't even produce results that are dependable.

Much of this story is about Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's confession that he beheaded Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. Pearl's wife and many others close to the case don't have confidence in the confession or the CIA interrogators involved and their techniques for extraction of information from detainees.

The two parts of the essay that are of particular interest to me are first, the section about the ICRC report on US torture habits and second on the view that many have that despite all of the drama about Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib and the various "black sites," it turns out in one of the highest profile cases involving Mohammed, there is enormous doubt about the information he coughed up.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/002263.php
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:01 AM
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9. Steve Clemons, more
Edited on Mon Aug-06-07 08:03 AM by DemReadingDU


Mayer's meticulous reporting could potentially contribute to a legal case against those inside the US government who approved these torture techniques. It's interesting to go back and read Jane Mayer's brilliant expose on Cheney chief of staff David Addington, who is well known as the administration's pro-torture advocate. David Ignatius dubbed him "Cheney's Cheney."


7/3/06 Jane Mayer
The Hidden Power
The legal mind behind the White House’s war on terror.

On December 18th, Colin Powell, the former Secretary of State, joined other prominent Washington figures at FedEx Field, the Redskins’ stadium, in a skybox belonging to the team’s owner. During the game, between the Redskins and the Dallas Cowboys, Powell spoke of a recent report in the Times which revealed that President Bush, in his pursuit of terrorists, had secretly authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on American citizens without first obtaining a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, as required by federal law. This requirement, which was instituted by Congress in 1978, after the Watergate scandal, was designed to protect civil liberties and curb abuses of executive power, such as Nixon’s secret monitoring of political opponents and the F.B.I.’s eavesdropping on Martin Luther King, Jr. Nixon had claimed that as President he had the “inherent authority” to spy on people his Administration deemed enemies, such as the anti-Vietnam War activist Daniel Ellsberg. Both Nixon and the institution of the Presidency had paid a high price for this assumption. But, according to the Times, since 2002 the legal checks that Congress constructed to insure that no President would repeat Nixon’s actions had been secretly ignored.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/07/03/060703fa_fact1
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:05 AM
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10. I know people don't want to have to deal with this
and some are just hoping it will all go away...but you do have to deal with this and it will NEVER go away....America is a war crime nation..

but don't let her be the war crime nation that allowed her war criminals to go free....






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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:20 AM
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12. Many people don't pay attention in America
Edited on Mon Aug-06-07 08:21 AM by DemReadingDU
and it's not talked about, so many people are not aware of these war crimes.

But people in other countries do pay attention. They are acutely aware of the war crimes that have been done.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales...These war criminals should not go free.

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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 09:05 AM
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13. Kick


What happened to that country full of people who believed that torture was barbaric and wrong, that nation which once said, "We will take the high road; we will agree not to torture hoping that our military will not be tortured.

We will be a people of honor." ??????

What happened to those people?


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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 04:55 PM
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14. afternoon kick
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 05:07 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:25 PM
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17. Kick! n/t
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