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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 04:27 PM
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Turkey sent 350 special ops forces south into Kurdistan
a few days ago. There is no indication they pulled back. Novack reports we are sending 4,700 american forces up north in support of Turkey. Kurdistan has put 12,000 of their soldiers into the oil fields south of Kirkuk. And then, of course, Turkey has massed 20 divisions - maybe more- on the border with the Kurds. For what?? - an attempt to swipe at maybe 5000 PKK or PUK in the mountains on the Turkish border?? I don't think so.

I am pretty sure - those special ops Turkey shot into Kurdistan - covered by an artillery barage no less - they are there to prepare for something. They are preparing some kind of move.

You got to feel bad for the Kurds - they gotta know - they are about to get screwed from both sides - north and south.

Who are the idiots going along with this nonsense. They are taking an explosive situation and putting a match to it.

Joe

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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 04:34 PM
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1. Links? nt
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 04:42 PM
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2. Can somebody else do this - it takes me a long time
and I didn't intend to be here this long.

That Novack said what he did- he actually said a lot more just that -washington post maybe a few days ago?? That the 350 went in - it is in the Turkish and confirmed in the Kurdish papers monday.

The last part is my opinion.

Joe



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 04:43 PM
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3. I'll get them
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 04:45 PM
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4. Thank you!!
Joe
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 04:46 PM
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5. It's all in this thread
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 05:24 PM
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8. And thank you - I would have spent a long time and I did -
just trying to get the Novack piece -and that was in the Washington Post for god's sake.
I did find you it know - how long later?

Thanks again- I am getting too old and too slow for this thing.

Joe
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 04:47 PM
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6. Novak: Bush considering secret military action in Turkey
Edited on Wed Aug-08-07 04:48 PM by seemslikeadream
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1474571&mesg_id=1474571

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Novak_Bush_considering_secret_military_action_0730.html


A former aide to Vice President Dick Cheney is briefing lawmakers on Pentagon plans for secret military intervention in Turkey, Robert Novak reported Monday.

The Bush administration is considering covert military activity by U.S. Special Forces to help Turkish troops quash Kurdish guerilla fighters, who are believed to be using northern Iraq as safe-haven, according to the syndicated columnist.

Undersecretary of Defense Eric S. Edelman, a former Cheney aide, briefed lawmakers on Capitol Hill last week on the plans. The plans call for secret U.S. involvement to assist Turkish action against the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK).

Edelman's name emerged in news reports earlier this month after he wrote to Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) what many saw as an overly harsh letter in response to her requests about troop withdrawals from Iraq. The letter said her request "reinforces" enemy propaganda.


Is this the one you are looking for?
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 05:15 PM
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7. Yeah it is - It is really from the post - and man, you should see
what the Kurds said when they saw it. But that is right it July 30th -
Joe

Plan to help Turkey hit Kurds shows Bush hasn't learned

July 30, 2007
ROBERT NOVAK novakevans@aol.com
The morass in Iraq and deepening difficulties in Afghanistan have not deterred the Bush administration from taking on a dangerous and questionable new secret operation. At a high level, U.S. officials are working with their Turkish counterparts on a joint military operation to suppress Kurdish guerrillas and capture their leaders. Through covert activity, their goal is to forestall Turkey from invading Iraq.
While detailed operational plans are necessarily concealed, broad outlines have been presented to selected members of Congress as required by law. U.S. Special Forces are to work with the Turkish army to suppress the Kurds' guerrilla campaign. The administration is trying to prevent opening another war front in Iraq that would have disastrous consequences. But this gamble risks major exposure and failure.

The Turkish initiative reflects the temperament and personality of George W. Bush. Even faithful congressional supporters of his Iraq policy have been stunned by the president's upbeat mood, oblivious to the loss of his political base. Despite the failing effort to impose a military solution in Iraq, he is willing to try imposing arms -- though clandestinely -- on Turkey's ancient problems with its Kurdish minority, comprising one-fifth of the country's population.

The development of an autonomous Kurdish entity inside Iraq, resulting from the decline and fall of Saddam Hussein, has alarmed the Turkish government. That led to Ankara's refusal to permit entry of U.S. combat troops through Turkey into Iraq, an 11th hour complication for the 2003 invasion. As political power grew for the Kurds inside Iraq, the Turkish government became steadily more uneasy about the centuries-old project of a Kurdistan spreading across international boundaries -- and chewing up big pieces of Turkey.

The dormant PKK (Kurdistan Workers Party) Turkish Kurd guerrilla fighters came to life. By June, the Turkish government was demonstrating its concern by lobbing artillery shells across the border. Ankara began protesting, to both Washington and Baghdad, that the PKK was using northern Iraq as a base for guerrilla operations. On July 11 in Washington, Turkish Ambassador Nabi Sensoy became the first Turkish official to claim publicly that the Iraqi Kurds have claims on Turkish territory. On July 20 (two days before his successful re-election), Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan threatened a trans-border military incursion into Iraq against the Kurds. On July 25, Murat Karayilan, head of the PKK Political Council, predicted "the Turkish army will attack southern Kurdistan."

Turkey has a well-trained, well-equipped army of 250,000 near the border, facing some 4,000 PKK fighters hiding in the mountains of northern Iraq. But significant cross-border operations surely would bring to the PKK's side the military forces of the Kurdistan Regional Government, the best U.S. ally in Iraq. What is Washington to do in the dilemma of two friends battling each other on an unwanted new front in Iraq?

The surprising answer was given in secret briefings on Capitol Hill last week by Eric S. Edelman, a former aide to Vice President Dick Cheney and now undersecretary of defense for policy. A Foreign Service officer who once was U.S. ambassador to Turkey, he revealed to lawmakers plans for a covert operation of U.S. Special Forces helping the Turks neutralize the PKK. They would behead the guerrilla organization by helping Turkey get rid of PKK leaders that they have targeted for years.

Edelman's listeners were stunned. Wasn't this risky? He responded he was sure of success, adding that the U.S. role could be concealed and always would be denied. Even if all this is true, some of the briefed lawmakers left wondering whether this was a wise policy for handling the beleaguered Kurds who had been betrayed so often by U.S. governments in years past.

Hard experience has not dissuaded President Bush from difficult ventures employing the use of force. On the contrary, two of the most intrepid supporters of the Iraq intervention -- John McCain and Lindsey Graham -- were surprised by Bush during a recent meeting with him. In sharing their impressions with colleagues, they commented on how unconcerned the president seemed. That may explain his willingness to embark on such a questionable venture against the Kurds.
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EnricoFermi Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 11:14 AM
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9. It's just like TV
In sharing their impressions with colleagues, they commented on how unconcerned the president seemed.

To Bush, it is just like watching another episode of MASH or maybe like playing a video game. He has absolutely no concern for human life. We've seen this with most of his actions and should expect to see it moving forward. He is the perfect material for a figurehead of a totalitarian regime.
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