Conservative.."traditional" women..

[SoCalDem]

Does that make Liberal women UNtraditional?

What is MORE traditional than a caring, generous woman?

On Hardball, the "debate" is about whether Hillary is a "traditional" woman..:puke:

I see conservative woman as uptight, sneaky, conniving women...not exactly "feminine" traits..

The use of "traditional" in their logic means..SUBSERVIENT TO MEN..

No one can convince me that all the BBBs out there on the campaign drama tour really believe the nonsense they spout.. They were 'groomed' by Daddy, hubby, boss, and say whatever wins praise & $$$ from those "guys"

[Mythsaje]

1. How many "traditional" women do most people know these days?.

Boy, that's a stupid talking point. Can you say "backfire?"

[Shine]

4. I agree, 100%, Mythsage.

:thumbsup:

times have changed.

[Iris]

5. How many "traditional" women have we ever really seen in this country?

I once read a novel called "Unto these Fires" about Eastern-European immigrants. It was based on the stories of the author's ancestors. One chapter describes a family in which the father worked in a factor 18 hours a day, 6 days a week (off on Sunday) and the mother, who was giving birth to a child every couple of years, ran a boarding house which slept 2 sets of boarders - day workers and night workers. So, she basically cooked and cleaned all day FOR PAY and taking care of her children just sort of happened along the way.

I think there was only a very brief period of time when families had a mother who stayed at home and whose primary responsibility was her home and family. And even then, there were other women who worked outside their homes (and sometimes in the homes of the "traditional" woman) and whose own children were left with relatives or to fend for themselves.

[SoCalDem]

6. "Tradition" gets defined by whatever group uses it.

Farm women did just as much work (MORE!!) than the menfolk.

City women of that era had little choice BUT to stay at home with the kids unless they had a famiy business..

"tradition" in the sense they used it on Hardball comes from the MOVIES..and TV.. (neither of which was an accurate depiction of REAL families)..but we all longed for that family, and drove ourselves NUTS trying to pretend to BE that family :eyes:

[Iris]

8. Yep, and as Betty Friedan told us, even the ones who had the "movie" "tradition"

weren't all that happy with it in reality.

[Sequoia]

2. Traditional? Heck no, she don't bake cookies, remember.

[SoCalDem]

3. Those BBBs don't look like bakers either.. and when would they have time

They toss their kids into daycare or grandma's arms and meander through tv studios 24-7, "spreading the word"..

Their kids probably call them "Aunt Mommy"..

[geniph]

7. Which "tradition" are we referring to?

The "tradition" of the idle wealthy woman, the "ladies who lunch", who don't even breastfeed their own children?

The "tradition" of the professional man's wife, whose raison d'etre all revolves around holding elaborate entertainments to advance her husband's career?

The "tradition" of the pioneer women, who worked alongside the men to build their houses, plow their fields, and defend their families?

The "tradition" of the immigrant woman, working 7 days a week for near-slave wages, and coming home to scrub floors, cook meals, mend clothes, and duck punches?

The "tradition" of the working-class wife and mother, or the widowed or divorced mother, for whom not working meant being homeless and hungry?

There are so many definitions of "traditional" - but somehow, when the term is used admiringly, I always assume the speaker is referring to one very brief era of history when the country had a strong enough middle class that women other than the idle wealthy could survive without working outside the home.

My mother was born in 1928. She worked full-time from 1945 to 1995. She had fifteen pregnancies in that time (six living children), and never took more than three weeks off work in her life. Is she a "traditional" woman? For the class she was born into, yes, she is. The working-class families like ours where the mother did not work were always even more desperately poor than we were.

Very, VERY few women over the course of the years have been able to survive without working outside the home. So I agree with you - they use "traditional" to mean subservient, subordinate, submissive. My mother was, and is, certainly not that.

[Elspeth]

11. Excellent post!

........

[Raine]

9. What is a "traditional" woman

I probably fall into the "traditional" women's role cause I actually do like to cook and keep house. I'm more like June Cleaver type but I'm also interested in the environment and other things in the world and I'm not subservient to anyone plus I'm a Democrat. :shrug: I despise labels! :mad:

[Ellen Forradalom]

10. I myself am plenty damned traditional

I love my family and friends, take good care of my son and dog, work hard at my job, and want peace for everyone in the world. What's so untraditional about that?

[defendandprotect]

12. "Traditionally" means "oppressed" . . . and say they like it -- !!!!

It's easier than acknowledging the oppression, evidently --

Especially when it is dictated by the male "god" they follow -- !!!