CNN discussing Fed approval of retreat mining

[malaise]

in Murray's mines.

[Hepburn]

1. Murray is a POS...

...as far as I am concerned and ANY thing that looks like concern about what happened IMO is as phony as a $3-dollar bill.

Fuck him and fuck those who gave approval for this kind of shit.

[eleny]

2. At this point it seems to me that he's trying to keep himself out of jail

[malaise]

3. Why would he go to jail

if he had approval from the Federal government.

[Hepburn]

5. IMO...

...because if you know of a danger and you continue EVEN if federal regs or any law say it is OK, the fact that you have actual knowledge of a dangerous situation and you put someone in that situation and there is a death....that IMO is a criminally negligent homicide that is NOT excusable or justified.

[eleny]

7. From how he's been acting, I don't think he's so confident

No matter what happens, I think he's going to land in court with the families. And who knows where that could lead.

[malaise]

11. Let's hope so

but remember he said that if they're dead this was merely his god's will as a result of that 'earthquake' which strangely only affected the walls and not the roof of the mine according to one 'expert'.

These criminal corporations need religion or their workers would deal with their owners. It's always either a miracle or god's will - never their criminal negligence.

Add.

[eleny]

14. What he says vs a jury is what matters

I just don't think a jury will be sympathetic to his argument. This disaster comes on the heels of a number of mining disasters. Taking that into consideration, I think his goose is on its way to being cooked.

[malaise]

16. I hope you're right

Three construction workers were killed in another mine on Friday. They have received very little coverage. These corporations own the media.

[eleny]

19. Wasn't that in Indiana?

We heard the first peep and then nothing.

[malaise]

21. Yes

http://blog.aflcio.org/2007/08/10/three-construction-workers-die-at-indiana-coal-mine/

[Poiuyt]

17. He should go to jail just for those incoherent press conferences.

[malaise]

20. Well with all the rubbish he spewed,

he may actually have provided a trail of evidence for prosecutors and victims' families.

[Hepburn]

4. Yeah....

....the earthquake caused the cave-in. what total BS! IMO, he KNEW from the very start that the kind of mining technique going on is what caused this.

What a lying POS....he NEEDS to be in jail for murder or at least manslaughter.

JMHO

[Mika]

6. Dead men tell no tales.

Perhaps that might explain his (doin' a heck of a job) ineptitude at organizing a quick rescue.

[malaise]

8. Remember he knew exactly where they were

last Monday. The rescue was going to be easy. This is manslaughter.

[Hepburn]

12. Yeah, I have to agree....

...at a minimum, IMO, I would say manslaughter, but I could even go 2nd degree murder, depending on the criminal statutes in Utah. IMO, in CA, it could be charged as a 2nd degree murder.

[eleny]

10. Entirely plausible, imo

[malaise]

22. Check this

http://blog.aflcio.org/2007/08/11/crandall-canyon-mine-owner-murray-nuts-over-talking-squirrel/
<snip>
Murray has also used the spotlight to:

* Deny reports that a type of mining called retreat mining, that many safety experts warn adds danger to an already dangerous underground workplace, was being used at the Utah mine. But federal safety officials confirm retreat mining has been used at Crandall Creek.
* Dispute scientists who say that seismographic readings at the time of the collapse came from the magnitude of the collapse, not an earthquake that caused the collapse.
* Attack reporters and accuse them of posing questions provided by the Mine Workers (UMWA).
* Rant against the UMWA and its leaders, saying the union wants organize his workforce and “want to damage Murray Energy, Utah American and the United States coal industry for their own motives.”

[eleny]

25. Yup, it's all about Murray

The wounded puppy syndrome. He bites. But when he gets pushed back, he becomes the wronged party.

He needs a healthy dose of the Dog Whisperer to poke him in the neck and say "Tssht!".

[ThomWV]

9. Do any of these people actually know anything about coal mining?

I'm not a miner, never have been one, but you could not possibly live here for 30 years and not learn a bit about it. This 'retreat mining' they keep talking about as being the most dangerous thing since off-shore crab fishing and smoking crack is really common place and no more dangerous than any other mining method - probably safer in some ways.

[Hepburn]

13. "The most dangerous type of mining ... "

WASHINGTON — The method of mining used at the Utah mine that collapsed Monday, trapping six miners, has a history of being disproportionately deadly, according to federal safety studies.

The Crandall Canyon mine collapse happened while miners were engaged in a method called "retreat mining," in which pillars of coal are used to hold up the roof in an area of the mine. When that area is completely mined, the company pulls the pillars and grabs the useful coal, causing an intentional collapse.

It is "the most dangerous type of mining there is," said Tony Oppegard, a former top federal and Kentucky mine-safety official who is now a private attorney in Lexington, Ky., representing miners.

According to the American Society of Safety Engineers, retreat mining requires precise planning and sequencing to ensure roof stability while the pillars supporting the roof are removed.

More...
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003824767_mineside07.html

[ThomWV]

18. I think its great that the guy said that, but its pure horseshit

Yes, it does indeed require precise planning and sequencing to ensure roof stability, but the 'precise planning and sequencing' is a necessary part of that type of mining and goes hand in hand with it. If you aren't doing that 'precise planning and sequencing' you aren't doing retreat mining - what you are doing is cutting unsupported pillares out from under a conventional mine. The two are not the same thing. When its done correctly it is safer than conventional mining.

By the way, that 'precise planning and sequencing' that they are talking about has almost nothing to do with roof falls other than that they are expected to take place immediately. The planning and sequencing is really a matter of keeping a channel open for coal to be taken out of the mine and for men and machinery to go in and out. Basically you're backing out of a hole and letting it cave in as you leave it. In this case it was the conventional mine that was between where the retreat mining was taking place and the shaft out that caved in. See what I mean, the problem was not with the retreat area, it was with the conventionally mined area. And that is what I meant when I asked if any of these clowns knew what they were talking about - because it sure doesn't look like it.

[tabasco]

15. I'm not a miner but I play one on teevee.

I live next to a river. Does that make me a hydrologist?

[Turbineguy]

23. The end of

faith based mining.

[KharmaTrain]

24. Note How This Story Has Faded

I really haven't seen much coverage the past couple days. What reports I have seen involve Murray spinning.

He's trying to make this story fade away...drag things out until the coporate media gets bored and looks for another dead blonde or drunk Hollywood star or some other diversion. Then Murray will quietly seal the mine and the truth will be buried within.

His money has bought silence and allowed him to control the story...a shaming indictiment as to how corrupt our corporate media has become.

[malaise]

26. Bingo, just like the bridge,

just like NOLA except that in the current environment citizens are slowly getting angry.

[KharmaTrain]

28. Nothing Worse Than Pissed Off Miners...

I finally heard a radio report...said they found the air quality in that new shaft to be of poor quality...also that they haven't seen or heard with their little robot probe. Now where does this story go? I'm betting Murray tries to buy a few more days..."getting our search teams down there" and crap like that...sure that he's now drifted off to Page 15 or beyond.

Of all these messes, I think the Minneapolis bridge collapse will have more resonance...even, sadly, over NOLA. It's because almost everyone drives a bridge and the question about safety is everywhere. People I know talk about this bridge or that one as being bad...as well as this road or that crumbling power plant or other part of the infastructure...and many, if not most, realize that the tax cuts for the rich and the Repugnicans mantra of "all government is bad" is starting to bite them in the ass.

[malaise]

30. Yes the Minneapolis bridge collapse has given

the tax cuts for the rich posse some very troubled waters. Those vilifying government's role in providing infrastructure won't even be able to dig up ads suggesting that risking citizens' lives on unsafe bridges is of any national value (coal is so good for you).
I have this feeling that when it comes to bridges, the people will not 'be laying me down'.

[KharmaTrain]

31. I've Already Got the TV Ad Scripted...

Picture of Palwenty...saying how he has cut taxes
Piture of the bridge collapse
Picture of Normie Coleman hugging Grover Norquist with Grover's infamous bathtub quote highlighted...
Picture of search teams in the river looking for bodies
Picture of Michelle Baumann doing the schoolgirl swoon around his assholiness
Picture of a family's funeral...with voices of the survivors describing how they never could believe a bridge would fall

Boooshie not only wants to push for more cuts, but be assured he's gonna try to ram through making his tax cuts to the rich permanent...they sunset in 2010. The tax code already is gonna be a wild ride for many as the tax rates will go back to where they were in 2001...and be assured this will be a major concern for the GOOP.

The more Democrats explain how boooshie's tax cuts turned into crumbled bridges, poor schools, substandard healthcare and massive corruption, the closer we come to seeing the Repugnican party disintigrate down Grover's bathtub.

Cheers...

[malaise]

32. Now that's an ad I'd like to see

every hour on the hour. Hurry up let's have a UTube viewing.

[Hepburn]

27. Didn't someone look Murray up and find out that...

...he was a contributor to RW pols? Anyone know about his?

That might explain why the story had tanked.

[cami715]

29. This is supposedly a list of his contributions

partylessinOhio (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-11-07 06:58 PM
Original message
Mine owner Robert Murray's political contributions:
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 07:08 PM by partylessinOhio
This list is posted today on the Desert Morning News:

(sad to say this man is from Ohio)

Saturday, August 11, 2007
Salt Lake City

Gordon B. | 10:12 a.m. Aug. 11, 2007
Has Robert Murray bought enough political protection and corporate welfare?

Here's what the Federal Election Commission's individual contribution database shows:

MURRAY, ROBERT E
BEACHWOOD, OH 44122

NRSC - NONFEDERAL
07/18/2000 2500.00 20020260931
03/19/2001 275.00 21020071022
07/23/2002 670.00 22020602459

MURRAY, ROBERT E
PEPPER PIKE, OH 44122

NRSC - NONFEDERAL
09/08/1999 550.00 99020103668
03/29/2000 500.00 20020150307

BOND, CHRISTOPHER S

VIA MISSOURIANS FOR KIT BOND
09/21/2004 2000.00 24020843223

GANSKE, JOHN GREG

VIA GANSKE FOR SENATE
08/30/2002 1000.00 22020732612

MURKOWSKI, LISA

VIA LISA MURKOWSKI FOR US SENATE
09/20/2004 2000.00 24020872364

TALENT, JAMES MATTHES

VIA TALENT FOR SENATE COMMITTEE
12/31/2001 1000.00 22020092787
06/19/2002 1000.00 22020461463

KYL, JON

VIA JON KYL FOR U S SENATE
10/18/2005 2000.00 26020022092

TALENT, JAMES MATTHES

VIA TALENT FOR SENATE COMMITTEE
02/06/2006 2000.00 26020250601

DEWINE, RICHARD MICHAEL

VIA MIKE DEWINE FOR US SENATE
08/12/2005 900.00 25020461894
08/12/2005 1100.00 25020461893

ISAKSON, JOHN HARDY

VIA GEORGIANS FOR ISAKSON
12/19/2005 2000.00 26020082172

SHIMKUS, JOHN M

VIA VOLUNTEERS FOR SHIMKUS
03/18/2004 2000.00 24990958026

PADGETT, JOY

VIA JOY PADGETT FOR CONGRESS
09/18/2006 2100.00 26960516450

MCGAVICK, MICHAEL SEAN

VIA FRIENDS FOR MIKE MCGAVICK
08/28/2006 2100.00 26020650303

GRAMS, RODNEY DWIGHT

VIA ROD GRAMS FOR CONGRESS
09/30/2006 2000.00 26940423207

DEWINE, RICHARD MICHAEL

VIA MIKE DEWINE FOR US SENATE
10/12/2001 1000.00 22020021267

NETHERCUTT, GEORGE R

VIA NETHERCUTT FOR SENATE
06/30/2004 2000.00 24020621346

ALLEN, GEORGE

VIA FRIENDS OF GEORGE ALLEN
09/06/2000 1000.00 20020302715

ALLEN, GEORGE

VIA FRIENDS OF GEORGE ALLEN
03/22/2006 2000.00 26020350427

CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE
11/02/2000 1000.00 20036544727

ABRAHAM, SPENCER SENATOR

VIA ABRAHAM SENATE 2000
08/08/2000 1000.00 20020321900

GORTON, SLADE

VIA FRIENDS FOR SLADE GORTON
09/05/2000 1000.00 20020331583

CHABOT, STEVE

VIA STEVE CHABOT FOR CONGRESS
10/23/1998 1000.00 98034044422

CHABOT, STEVE

VIA STEVE CHABOT FOR CONGRESS
10/23/2006 1000.00 26930671799

ALLARD, A WAYNE

VIA WAYNE ALLARD FOR UNITED STATES SENATE COMMITTEE
09/26/2002 500.00 22020690186

PRYCE, DEBORAH D.

VIA PRYCE FOR CONGRESS
10/18/2006 1000.00 26940514935

ALLARD, A WAYNE

VIA WAYNE ALLARD FOR UNITED STATES SENATE COMMITTEE
09/20/2002 1000.00 22020690186

BUNNING, JIM

VIA CITIZENS FOR BUNNING
02/23/2004 2000.00 24020200126

BURR, RICHARD M

VIA RICHARD BURR COMMITTEE
05/24/2004 2000.00 24020410442

COLEMAN, NORM

VIA NORM COLEMAN FOR U S SENATE
12/31/2001 1000.00 22020112493

CRAIG, LARRY E

VIA CRAIG FOR U S SENATE
10/18/2001 1000.00 22020030131

ENSIGN, JOHN E

VIA ENSIGN FOR SENATE
09/22/2005 2000.00 25020490102

DICKEY, JAY W JR

VIA DICKEY FOR CONGRESS CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE
08/14/2002 500.00 22992716483
08/14/2002 500.00 22993028854

POMBO, RICHARD

VIA RICHARD POMBO FOR CONGRESS
09/28/2006 2100.00 26930453424

PORTMAN, ROBERT J

VIA PORTMAN FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
04/26/2004 2000.00 24961791867

LATOURETTE, STEVEN C

VIA LATOURETTE FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
03/14/1997 1000.00 97032272238
12/15/1997 1000.00 98032723374
12/07/1999 1000.00 20035180783

TIBERI, PATRICK J

VIA TIBERI FOR CONGRESS
10/09/2000 1000.00 20036383788
10/09/2000 1000.00 20036354471

MURRAY ENERGY CORPORATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE
12/31/2005 441.00 26950018981
12/31/2005 2083.00 26950018982
06/30/2006 265.00 26950375844
09/30/2006 265.00 26960539600
12/31/2006 416.00 27980019580
03/31/2007 265.00 27980052789
06/30/2007 265.00 27980073902

NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE
03/04/1997 290.00 97020051490
08/27/1997 380.00 97032412369

BURNS, CONRAD

VIA FRIENDS OF CONRAD BURNS - 2006
09/13/2006 2100.00 26020743047

RICKETTS, PETE

VIA NEBRASKA FAMILIES FOR PETE RICKETTS INC
10/18/2006 2000.00 26020952051

KENNEDY, MARK RAYMOND

VIA MARK KENNEDY 06
02/13/2006 2000.00 26020471283

REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE
11/02/2000 300.00 20036563501

SPECTER, ARLEN

VIA CITIZENS FOR ARLEN SPECTER
04/16/2004 2000.00 24020460529

HAGEL, CHARLES T

VIA HAGEL FOR SENATE COMMITTEE
12/06/2000 1000.00 21020031354

VOINOVICH, GEORGE V

VIA VOINOVICH FOR SENATE COMMITTEE
11/02/2004 2000.00 24021140800

VOINOVICH, GEORGE V

VIA VOINOVICH FOR SENATE COMMITTEE
06/21/2007 2300.00 27020262295

BURNS, CONRAD

VIA FRIENDS OF CONRAD BURNS - 2000
07/27/2000 1000.00 20020292006

NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE
07/23/2004 15000.00 24020662185

NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE
10/17/2006 10000.00 26020932361

MURRAY ENERGY CORPORATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE
06/30/2006 833.00 26950375844
09/30/2006 1249.00 26960539600
10/18/2006 416.00 26960589571
11/27/2006 833.00 26980184172
03/31/2007 1249.00 27980052789
06/30/2007 1249.00 27980073902

COALPAC A POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE OF THE NATIONAL MINING

ASSOCIATION
03/04/1997 5000.00 97031954742

COALPAC A POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE OF THE NATIONAL MINING

ASSOCIATION
03/08/2000 1000.00 20035601230

COALPAC A POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE OF THE NATIONAL MINING

ASSOCIATION
05/20/1999 5000.00 99034533916

KASICH 2000
06/30/1999 1000.00 99034563500

LAZIO, RICK A

VIA LAZIO 2000 INC
11/04/2000 1000.00 20020432257

HUTCHINSON, TIM

VIA HUTCHINSON FOR SENATE
09/10/2002 1000.00 22020702985

BROWNBACK, SAMUEL DALE

VIA BROWNBACK FOR PRESIDENT INC
05/04/2007 1000.00 27930930864
05/04/2007 1300.00 27930930865

GILLMOR, PAUL E

VIA CITIZENS FOR GILLMOR
07/28/2004 2000.00 24971735606

SMITH, ROBERT C

VIA BOB SMITH FOR U S SENATE
12/31/2001 1000.00 22020070097

DRAKE, GRACE L

VIA DRAKE FOR CONGRESS
11/06/1998 1000.00 98034093724

DEWINE, RICHARD MICHAEL

VIA DEWINE FOR US SENATE
10/30/1997 1000.00 98020044180
10/30/1997 1000.00 98020044180

VOINOVICH, GEORGE V

VIA VOINOVICH FOR SENATE COMMITTEE
08/24/1998 1000.00 98020231223

FOLTIN, CRAIG MR.

VIA FOLTIN FOR CONGRESS
07/07/2006 2100.00 26960498462

THUNE, JOHN

VIA JOHN THUNE FOR SOUTH DAKOTA
12/31/2001 1000.00 22020043578

COALPAC A POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE OF THE NATIONAL MINING

ASSOCIATION
03/04/1998 5000.00 98033041685

WILSON, CHARLES A

VIA FRIENDS OF CHARLIE WILSON
06/30/2005 2000.00 25970610891

HALLECK, MIKE

VIA HALLECK FOR CONGRESS
06/18/2002 1000.00 22991255884

HOLLISTER, NANCY P

VIA HOLLISTER FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
12/11/1997 1000.00 98032713749
10/15/1998 1000.00 98034044190

VOINOVICH, GEORGE V

VIA VOINOVICH FOR SENATE COMMITTEE
10/29/2001 500.00 22020033390

NEY, ROBERT W

VIA BOB NEY FOR CONGRESS
11/19/1997 2000.00 98032683636
12/04/1997 -1000.00 98032683636
12/04/1997 1000.00 98032683636

NEY, ROBERT W

VIA BOB NEY FOR CONGRESS
11/29/1999 1000.00 20035081828

NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE
10/02/2003 1000.00 23992302980

DAVIS, GEOFFREY C

VIA GEOFF DAVIS FOR CONGRESS
09/18/2006 2100.00 26950587980

BUSH, GEORGE W

VIA BUSH-CHENEY '04 (PRIMARY) INC
06/30/2003 1000.00 23991421339

BUSH, GEORGE W

VIA BUSH-CHENEY '04 (PRIMARY) INC
09/30/2003 1000.00 23992057504

DEWINE, RICHARD MICHAEL

VIA MIKE DEWINE FOR US SENATE
10/17/2006 1200.00 26020942668

OHIO VALLEY COAL COMPANY PAC; THE
12/31/2002 -238.00 23990125515
11/08/2004 -1007.00 24991325300

OHIO VALLEY COAL COMPANY PAC; THE
06/30/2001 1548.00 21990187800
12/31/2001 1830.00 22990088229
06/30/2002 844.00 22991205093
09/30/2002 844.00 22991923952
11/25/2002 2422.00 22992811095
12/31/2002 281.00 23990125495
12/31/2003 1267.00 24990155690

DAVIS, GEOFFREY C

VIA GEOFF DAVIS FOR CONGRESS
03/22/2004 2000.00 24991068767

DINGELL, JOHN D MR.

VIA JOHN D. DINGELL FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
06/14/2002 1000.00 22991371746

NEY, ROBERT W

VIA BOB NEY FOR CONGRESS
10/25/2004 2000.00 24981436407

COALPAC A POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE OF THE NATIONAL MINING

ASSOCIATION
09/23/2005 3000.00 25971111285
02/13/2006 1000.00 26970104540
04/06/2007 5000.00 27990075477

COALPAC A POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE OF THE NATIONAL MINING

ASSOCIATION
02/23/2001 1000.00 21990340440

CONSERVATIVE VICTORY FUND
10/20/2006 3000.00 26940620630

COALPAC A POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE OF THE NATIONAL MINING

ASSOCIATION
09/25/2002 1000.00 22992302224

FORRESTER, DOUGLAS R

VIA FORRESTER 2002
10/29/2002 1000.00 22020971063
10/29/2002 1000.00 22020971063

CORNYN, JOHN

VIA TEXANS FOR SENATOR JOHN CORNYN INC
09/30/2002 500.00 22020672009

GRAHAM, LINDSEY OLIN

VIA LINDSEY GRAHAM FOR SENATE
10/22/2002 1000.00 22020913252

INHOFE, JAMES M

VIA FRIENDS OF JIM INHOFE COMMITTEE
11/01/2002 1000.00 22020970117

OHIO VALLEY COAL COMPANY PAC; THE
06/30/2001 220.00 21990187800
12/31/2001 260.00 22990088230

GRAHAM, LINDSEY OLIN

VIA LINDSEY GRAHAM FOR SENATE
10/22/2002 1000.00 22020913252

FORRESTER, DOUGLAS R

VIA FORRESTER 2002
10/29/2002 1000.00 22020971063

INHOFE, JAMES M

VIA FRIENDS OF JIM INHOFE COMMITTEE
10/24/2002 1000.00 22020970118

INHOFE, JAMES M

VIA FRIENDS OF JIM INHOFE COMMITTEE
03/26/2007 2300.00 27020150762

KEAN, THOMAS H JR

VIA TOM KEAN FOR US SENATE INC
09/13/2006 2100.00 26020863767

CORKER, ROBERT P JR

VIA BOB CORKER FOR SENATE
10/24/2006 1000.00 26021091395

CORNYN, JOHN

VIA TEXANS FOR SENATOR JOHN CORNYN INC
09/30/2002 1000.00 22020672009

HOBSON, DAVID LEE

VIA HOBSON FOR CONGRESS
10/23/2003 1000.00 24990027844

HARRIS, KATHERINE

VIA FRIENDS OF KATHERINE HARRIS
05/11/2006 2000.00 26020421393

STEELE, MICHAEL

VIA STEELE FOR MARYLAND INC
06/09/2006 2000.00 26020422455

PARKE, GREGORY TARLE

VIA FRIENDS OF GREG PARKE
03/30/2006 1000.00 26020391404

SANTORUM, RICHARD J

VIA SANTORUM 2006
11/22/2005 2000.00 26020161236

MURPHY, TIM

VIA TIM MURPHY FOR CONGRESS
10/21/2004 2000.00 24991350468

LATOURETTE, STEVEN C

VIA LATOURETTE FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
07/29/2004 2000.00 24962435144
11/05/2006 2000.00 26940731363

REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE
07/01/2002 500.00 22991614889

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He Runs His Own PAC... KharmaTrain Aug-11-07 07:02 PM #1
The Shit is about to hit the fan malaise Aug-11-07 08:09 PM #8
Where's The UMW? KharmaTrain Aug-11-07 08:31 PM #10
It's another great eye opener malaise Aug-11-07 09:01 PM #13
And your point is what? Buzz Clik Aug-11-07 07:02 PM #2
Point of information. partylessinOhio Aug-11-07 07:09 PM #3
They cannot run a SAFE coal mine, evidently. Bluebear Aug-11-07 08:11 PM #9
Well I don't think that has anything to do with his ideology. Drunken Irishman Aug-11-07 09:07 PM #16
'I'm sure there are some bad mines owned by Democrats' - you're sure are you? Bluebear Aug-11-07 09:08 PM #17
Are you telling me Democrats are perfect in their business endeavors? Drunken Irishman Aug-11-07 09:11 PM #19
This thread ranks as probably the most ridiculous of the summer. Buzz Clik Aug-12-07 02:37 AM #28
Right, Murray's PAC has had nothing to do with easing mine safety standards. Bluebear Aug-12-07 03:47 AM #32
This MF was in front of congress just awhile back and was screaming B Calm Aug-11-07 09:11 PM #20
I don't discount that. Drunken Irishman Aug-11-07 09:13 PM #21
He's lying because he knows he's paid off enough republicans B Calm Aug-11-07 09:17 PM #22
Hopefully the truth comes out. Drunken Irishman Aug-11-07 09:26 PM #23
So All Those Thousands/Millions Of Dollars Donated Bring Nothing? KharmaTrain Aug-11-07 10:27 PM #26
I'm curious -- can you back this up? Buzz Clik Aug-12-07 02:56 AM #30
Here's Where To Start... KharmaTrain Aug-12-07 03:43 AM #31
I get it. The key word here is INUENDO. Powerful stuff. Buzz Clik Aug-12-07 04:04 AM #33
So Murray's A Great Guy, Huh? KharmaTrain Aug-12-07 04:09 AM #35
Did you READ post #24 before you put your foot in your mouth? Kingshakabobo Aug-12-07 04:09 AM #34
Asshole for sure. Buzz Clik Aug-12-07 04:27 AM #39
Has this one run a business? Maddy McCall Aug-12-07 02:39 AM #29
Maybe it's time for him to lead a non-Republican lifestyle Truth Hurts A Lot Aug-12-07 04:12 AM #37
Great Caesars Ghosts! 8643 Aug-11-07 07:12 PM #4
I didn't see Al Gore's name on that list! Poiuyt Aug-11-07 07:21 PM #5
But you DO see Katherine Harris'... Buns_of_Fire Aug-11-07 08:38 PM #11
$$ for pols, not so much for safety havocmom Aug-11-07 07:23 PM #6
What a surprise. BurtWorm Aug-11-07 07:30 PM #7
K&R Lots of Washington state repulsive repubs.....Slade Gorton, Mike McGavick, George Nethercutt. Diane R Aug-11-07 08:59 PM #12
Jesus. That's ugly. n/t mountainvue Aug-11-07 09:04 PM #14
LOL MonkeyFunk Aug-11-07 09:04 PM #15
He probably thinks Katherine Harris is cute Veganistan Aug-12-07 04:56 AM #42
Robert is an anti union bastard & should be sued for all of his money B Calm Aug-11-07 09:09 PM #18
I believe that he was a member of Cheney's "secret" energy task force. fooj Aug-11-07 09:36 PM #24
That kind of money will buy you a lot of Love.

[Hepburn]

33. OMG.......the names on that list.....

...enough to freaking gag a maggot! :puke:

BTW: Thanks for the info...which verifies Murray is a royal POS.