Chickenhawk Republicans Ask Themselves: Are We Hypocrites For Not Enlisting?

[TwilightGardener]

Well, short answer: Yes. But read this hilarious Townhall article from a conservative who asserts that military enlistment standards are JUST TOO HIGH for most young college-age Republicans. Yes, that's right, all those priveleged, well-educated Republican kids are clearly inferior "physically...intellectually...morally" to the high-school dropout, juvenile-record, low-test-score working-class and poor kids who are being BRIBED with huge enlistment incentives to pad the desperate Army's recruitment numbers. Read, and laugh:

--snip--
By Lisa De Pasquale
Wednesday, August 15, 2007

Last week we got another glimpse of the Left’s true feelings about our troops. At a campaign breakfast in Iowa, anti-war Daily Kos diarist Rachel Griffiths asked Mitt Romney why none of his five sons enlisted in the military. It’s a popular form of “gotcha” that the Left likes to play in order to bring out their favorite cat call – Hypocrite!

--snip--

Romney was right to clarify his response. Unlike the Left, he recognizes the courage of service members and their families and acknowledged that serving in the military is a job like no other. Griffith’s implication is that anyone and everyone are qualified to be in the military. The Left doesn’t view them as a skilled group of people, but rather faceless place holders that were duped into joining the military. To be qualified, the Left insists that one must simply be over 18.

At the July 2007 National College Republican Committee Convention, whining wannabe journalist Max Blumenthal asked attendees why they weren’t fighting in Iraq. The college kids in his amateur ambush video fumbled with their words and gave medical excuses like asthma and bad knees. They were young, nervous and in front of a jerk holding a camera. Guilt isn’t necessary. The reality is that most of us wouldn’t make the cut.

Military recruitment was a hot topic when KVI talk radio host Kirby Wilbur broadcasted from the Young America’s Foundation’s national college conference in early August. A military recruiter called into the program to remind listeners that the military is, in fact, an exclusive club. The recruiter estimated that only 1 out of 5 prospective recruits qualify for military service. Most are either physically-challenged, intellectually-challenged or morally-challenged. Or in the case of Max Blumenthal, all three.

--snip--

Liberals’ incessant calls to draft every 18-year-old College Republican is tantamount to the disrespect they have for the military. They demand that every person who supports the war join the military or send their children. If they don’t, they’re hypocrites. This isn’t going to be a winning strategy for the Left...

--snip--http://www.townhall.com/columnists/LisaDePasquale/2007/08/15/are_we_hypocrites_for_not_enlisting?page=1


Yes, it is an insult to our military to insist they take College Republicans. The last thing the military wants is a "force" of yellow-bellied chickenhawks.

[shadowknows69]

1. "their favorite cat call – Hypocrite!"

If it calls like a cat and purrs like a cat. Fuckin MEOW!

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

44. Meow!

:rofl:

Glad to see you again, Shadow!

[Swede]

2. The lady doth protest too much, methinks

:shrug:

[The Backlash Cometh]

67. Absolutely. And I think her lame retort is proof enough that we have a winning

strategy with this one.

[iconoclastic cat]

3. What a choad. nt

[bamacrat]

4. "Most of us wouldn't make the cut" WTF?

The military will take just about anyone without a SERIOUS mental handicap. A guy I graduated high school with could barely read and he went to Iraq. Came back with shrapnel in his ass and smokes 4 packs of cigarettes a day but they took him. You don't even have to have a high school diploma any more. Wouldn't make the cut, more like don't want to even try. Douche bags.

p.s. I love how spell check recognizes douche, I know its a word, but I just found it funny.

[Quantess]

93. I agree with you there.

Young Republicans are douchebags.

The OP article is pretty funny.

[babylonsister]

5. Exclusive club, when now they'll accept just about anyone with a

pulse? I think the wannabe journalist is Lisa De Pasquale; she needs to do a bit of research before she makes such an arrogant fool of herself.

[TwilightGardener]

7. The contortions the Republicans are going through to justify

their reluctance to serve in the war they so badly want is just...comical. And pathetic. They have officially run out of excuses when they call the military's enlisted ranks an "exclusive club".

[treestar]

13. Not to mention that to call it that makes them sort of "not us"

Trying to make them out to be superior to the rest of us sort of lets us off the hook for "supporting" them, in some way, I'm thinking.

[TwilightGardener]

17. Exactly--they are "SPESHUL", endowed with inherent gifts that

the rest of us simply do not possess--we're not worthy! Better for us to "serve" by standing on the sidelines and cheering on our noble warriors from a (safe) distance! We just need to get out of their way and let them do the job they were born to do!

[arewenotdemo]

30. lol

[bumblebee1]

87. Exclusive club?

I never knew the Navy was an exclusive club.

[Richard Steele]

6. What a crock of crap. The military is signing up 42-year-olds who can't do a pushup.

That "only 1 out of 5 prospective recruits qualify for military service."
is a flat-out lie. If a recruiter considers you "prospective", he'll
find a way to sign you up.

[BOSSHOG]

8. I would agree they are physically challenged

Chickenshit chickenhawk hypocrites don't have a spine. And the author of the article is a fucking conservative lunatic. She cares so much about the troops but she doesn't want to join them. It must really suck to feel the need to write such garbage.

Hey bitch, I served, I'm a liberal and you and your fellow chickenhawks are indeed hypocrites. This is just another example of how truth has a liberal bias.

[TahitiNut]

22. Absence of a spine shouldn't matter.

After all, I was drafted (and inducted) despite having congential scoliosis and an indirect inguinal hernia.

:shrug:

[KansDem]

66. Maybe it's the ol' Groucho Marx defense...

She cares so much about the troops but she doesn't want to join them.

Maybe she wouldn't want to join a club that would have her as a member?

:crazy:

[KansDem]

68. self deleted

posted in wrong place...:blush:

[simmonsj811]

86. that's a good one

Maybe she wouldn't want to join a club that would have her as a member?
may i used this please???:wow:

[K8-EEE]

9. LOL!!! Wow talk about pretzel logic.

The obvious answer is, yes, every college Republican who spouts off rhetoric about "being in a fight for the future of civilization" and then "has other priorities" than to fight it, is a Grade A-1, Zacky Farms Fresh Chickenhawk. I mean, duh.

[jtrockville]

10. So, are Mitt's sons physically, intellectually, or morally challenged?

Certainly we wouldn't want anyone of that sort in the military. If that's what excludes you, just say so.

[Virginia Dare]

18. They probably have asthma and bad knees..

:eyes:

[krkaufman]

82. Yes, she doesn't ever get back to Mitt's sons.

They all look plenty healthy to me.

[Xipe Totec]

Won't make the cut? Did they even try?

It's one thing to apply and be rejected, quite another to cower behind mommy's apron and whine about not being good enough for the military.

What a bunch of hypocrites!

[InternalDialogue]

74. That's the page I'm on:

My shoulder and a cup of tea for every Young Republican who comes to me with documentation, "I wanted to go, but they wouldn't take me."

BTW: I have no tea in the house and don't expect to need any.

[tabasco]

11. LMAO!! They don't know a damn thing about the military.

This article just proves it even more.

Right now if you have a pulse you will make the cut.

[Canuckistanian]

61. They're not examining eyes any more, they're just counting them

When the bar is lowered so much that they'll accept criminals, drug addicts and mental deficients, I don't think a college student's Republican leanings will deter them.

[hedgehog]

64. My uncle was drafted in WWII despite being blind in one eye!

He couldn't aim a rifle because if he held it up to his good eye, the recoil would smash him in the face!

Admittedly, he was drafted from Timken to work in logistics so the Army could keep track of ball bearing distribution, but even so. Another uncle was refused by the military, and he ended up in the Merchant Marine.

[treestar]

12. Total BS

I know people who are morally challenged who are in the military.

And people who are not all that smart, too.

[Cobalt-60]

14. If the Young republicans aren't battle worthy

They can scrub the sh*tters of those who are.

[AlCzervik]

15. i read it and--yuck and why can't i look at the comment section, do you know?

[TwilightGardener]

19. RE the comments: I don't know, I'm able to read them--I think there's a link

to do so at the topof the article.

[Beaverhausen]

31. I can read them - lots of good 'left' comments there

try this link

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/LisaDePasquale/2007/08/15/are_we_hypocrites_for_not_enlisting?page=full&comments=true

[Virginia Dare]

34. I'll give you a taste..

Any time a kooky commie...
...asks why you haven't joined the military, simply ask them why they haven't sent their ENTIRE paycheck to the federal government to pay for all the "free stuff" they want for stupid people.

If they respond that that isn't possible because the government won't take their money, simply point them right here and tell them they're a hypocrite if they refuse to send in all their money:

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/resources/faq/faq_publicdebt.htm

How do you make a contribution to reduce the debt?
Make your check payable to the Bureau of the Public Debt, and in the memo section, notate that it is a Gift to reduce the Debt Held by the Public. Mail your check to:

Attn Dept G
Bureau Of the Public Debt
P. O. Box 2188
Parkersburg, WV 26106-2188



You on the left
What will you do about the fact that Hillary, Obama, Edwards didn't serve? If elected, are they supposed to relegate all military decisions to someone else: it is a given that military problems will come up during a presidency.





LewWaters writes: Wednesday, August, 15, 2007 4:04 AM
Even when the draft
was in full swing, only a minority served and even a smaller minority served in a war zone, with an even smaller minority actually seeing combat.

Todays all volunteer Military carries that forward and is all the more reason we need to support and ensure these brave kids have what they need to win.

Left up to the leftists, they would be a club for social experimentation again. At the same time, they would gut the defense budget, and expect more from them in 'humanitarian' ways while they have less to work with.

I called it quits after Jimmy Carter got in for many of these same reasons.

Thankfully, we have had 2 administrations that saw the need for strong defense and fought the left for our defense. We need more strong conservative leadership to ensure we remain safe and free.

That is why out of all the current GOP candidates, I threw my supportbehind the most consistent and conservative candidate, Dubncan HUnter, not the most popular, as decided by the pro-Hillary media.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

39. My God - how did they get whipped into this "safe and free" frenzy?

Although with this current crew in office, I'm not exactly sure how "safe and free" I feel.

[Habibi]

76. Hm!

"Any time a kooky commie...
...asks why you haven't joined the military, simply ask them why they haven't sent their ENTIRE paycheck to the federal government to pay for all the "free stuff" they want for stupid people.

If they respond that that isn't possible because the government won't take their money . . . "

Gosh, what does he tell them to say if we (the er, y'know, kookie commies) *don't* respond that way? (I'm pretty sure I wouldn't.)

Dudes'll be SOL, I guess.

[Johonny]

16. Your chances of not getting into the military

Go up dramatically if you don't even try. Sure you might get rejected, but it's a lot safer not to try at all and then assume well you have other priorities (but the war is still totally worth it).

[CJCRANE]

20. The logical conclusion from this article is that

young Republicans are "physically-challenged, intellectually-challenged or morally-challenged" in greater numbers than the rest of the population.

Um, why doesn't she just admit that yes, they are chickenshit chickenhawks and need to step up to the plate to stand up for their beliefs and country by filling out an enlistment form.

[cui bono]

59. Yeah, which is better, being a hypocrite or being inferior?

They're willing to admit inferiority if it keeps them out of the military.

[symbolman]

90. I'm beginning to think

that some of them Shot their Branes Off by accident, so they can't join :)

What a load of horse shit, is it because of you ask them to join they start to stutter and piss runs down their legs? Bladder and colon control problems? :)

The writer of this article is Proving that they are COWARDS, but includes the standard, "I don't give a fuck, I'm special, and I don't LIVE in YOUR World."

Must be hard living in their world, where people are both Inferior and Godlike at the SAME TIME :)

Here's an interesting statistic I was exploring because of this thread, having been in the USAF, joined in 1971, and offered a Variable Re-enlistment Bonus if I rejoined of TWENTY GRAND. Now in 1974 I could have bought an entire Cheap HOUSE - or paid Half in CASH, with relatively cheap interest rates.

So the price of an average home in the USA in 1974 was about 40,000 dollars.

The average NOW is around 220,000 dollars. So if I was given the same bonus, taking inflation into account, the bonus would be 110,000 dollars!!

All I've seen them offer these poor bastards lately, and they've bumped it some, is about 45,000 dollars.. LESS than HALF of what I'd be offered.

In effect they are Cheating these people. Of course if you have NOTHING, then it's an Economic DRAFT.

Sons of bitches. Monsters. Start that Draft again, and see how long this "war" lasts. Watch them do it the minute a democrat is in the White House, and then BLAME everything on the Liberals.. been there, done that, collected all the Spoons, Ashtrays and T-Shirts :)

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[peacebaby3]

23. So that means that most Republics are disabled, stupid, and/or immoral according to one of their

own!!! :rofl: :rofl:

From DePasquale: (I'm going with a minimum of "intellectually-challenged for her.)

"Most are either physically-challenged, intellectually-challenged or morally-challenged."

I'll have to tell my SFC husband how superior he is compared to everyone else. I'm sure he'll get a kick out of it.

As others have noted, the miltiary (especially the Army) have lowered their recruiting standards so low that I believe my dog could get in.

[treestar]

72. And how proud she is of her country

Somethings she probably blathers on about, yet here we have her claiming most of us are either physically, intellectually and morally challenged!

:rofl:

[Frank Cannon]

91. That was the take-home message I got

This article is a frank admission by a conservative that her fellows are either morons, chickenshits, or criminals and are therefore unfit for military service. I wholeheartedly agree.

[CanonRay]

24. This one really hits them where they live, doesn't it.

Gotta love it.

[TahitiNut]

25. The LAST people I want fighting a war are those who LIKE war.

That's a 'solution' that's worse than the 'problem,' imho.

[JHB]

45. Oh, don't worry about that...

If forced to live it, these "future leaders" would change their tune in less time that it'd take them to fill their shorts.

[ComerPerro]

48. no kidding. Its a good thing, because being in one will make sure they like war much less

[nadinbrzezinski]

71. Actually I want them to see the reality of war

one reason they LOVE IT is that they have never ever seen the consequences

Hell... there are not too many Pattons around once the lead starts flying and you are
hunkered down on that patch of earth wondering why you cannot go any deeper

[Buzz Clik]

26. The knuckledraggers are desperate for a rebuttal to the chickenhawk label.

My favorite is when they try to tell me that only leftwingers can avoid service without guilt. Riiiight.

As a lefty, I don't go into cardiac arrest at the thought of taxes; and, I pay all my taxes. It's kind of consistent that way -- I favor taxes, I pay for them.

The neanderthals don't get it -- they want to start wars but they don't want to fight in them.

[Amonester]

84. AND they don't want to PAY for them neither...

all they want is their 'promised' tax cuts so they can go party all year long.

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[demgurl]

28. The simple fact is.....

The military DOES need people and if you are 'on the side who respects our military' then you will realize how fatigued they are. Whether one in two or one in twenty gets accepted, why is this an excuse for not going in and seeing if you will be accepted if you are in support of this illegal occupation? Then, the ones who are rejected, can show us their forms and feel fully comfortable being keyboard warriors while others, who support the war, are accepted and can serve.

What faulty reasoning this author has!

[krkaufman]

83. I just wish some pair of recruiters would visit Ms Pasquale and offer to interview her ...

... and see if she doesn't qualify.

[bleedingheart]

29. I thought the big reason to become a republican was to belong to an exclusive club?

are they saying that they wouldn't make the cut for the local country club either? Gosh I am sure to make it through 18 holes of golf is vigorous...but not that vigorous....

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[WorseBeforeBetter]

33. Now THAT is some tortured logic...

and I'm sure she has no trouble whatsoever sleeping at night. Christ, if these pussies can't handle a "jerk holding a camera," I can only imagine how they'd handle the first day of basic. Let alone walking the streets of Baghdad in 120 degree heat.

March yourself down to the recruitment office, Ms. De Pasquale, and see if you're up to snuff. If not, you'll at least get an A for effort. You'll never know until you try, eh? Your country needs you, College Republicans -- do the decent thing and accept the call. Hanging out in your dorm room cruising MySpace for your next beer-goggled lay isn't really supporting the troops.

Speaking for my brother who has served in two BFEE wars, I doubt he'd want these candy-asses along side him. On the other hand, what better way to toughen them up...

[HughBeaumont]

35. Photo-appropriate for the Freepturds . . .

[dflprincess]

36. Intellectually-challenged & morally-challenged

Now I understand why the Bush twins aren't serving, though the may have qualified physically.

[Ganja Ninja]

37. The truth hurts.

Who ever coined that phrase must have been talking about the GOP. They seem to be particularly sensitive to the truth. That must be why they lie just for the sake of lying.


"The Left doesn’t view them as a skilled group of people, but rather faceless place holders that were duped into joining the military. To be qualified, the Left insists that one must simply be over 18."

If that doesn't sum up how the right views military service I don't know what does. Isn't that the real reason the college republican's are active in the GOP rather than the military? It's all about the paper chase with them, paper with Presidents printed on them. They can't afford to serve because it might set them back in their pursuit of the almighty dollar. They couldn't care less about the country and the troops. Military service isn't a duty to them. It's an inconvenient chore best left to the poor and less educated. Why should they trouble their beautiful minds with something so menial.

[TwilightGardener]

40. You make a great point: Classic projection going on here, in terms of

how the right views military service and yet accuses the left of those views.

[Bluzmann57]

38. Now I read this article twice

and couldn't make a lot of sense out of it. Now I admit that I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I think I can comprehend the written word. Except this one. Not qualified? What is that supposed to mean? Are they serial killers? Are they mentally ill? Do they have any physical deformities which could them out of the military? Most likely the answer to all of the above questions is a resounding no. They are just too cowardly, er, elite, to actually see anything that may even resemble combat, except a video game. And they ripped John Kerry because he wasn't a "real" hero.
I did like the last sentence of your post. We need brave people in the military, not a bunch of wimps who have daddy to bail them out every time they get into trouble. But then again, if rich boys joined up, they may actually become men.

[ComerPerro]

49. Its THREE birds with one stone.

It makes excuses for why chickenhawk repigs don't enlist, it kisses ass to the military, and attacks Democrats for supposedly trashing the military.

[iamahaingttta]

41. Lisa De Pasquale writes like an Ann Coulter wannabe

Great. Just what we fucking need. Another fucking Ann Coulter wannbe.

[Aristus]

42. Does anybody have the picture of that 65-year-old reservist who was

deployed to Iraq? I remember the poor gentleman looking fairly bewildered at having to risk his life for the cowardly ass-monkeys in the White House, rather than being allowed to play with his grandkids and enjoy a well-deserved retirement.

Those repuke chickenhawks are un-fucking-believable!

[RamboLiberal]

88. How about this 52 year old grandmother!

A grandmother in eastern Iowa is getting one last call to duty.

Janet Grass, 52, had planned to retire from the military in about 10 months after spending 19 years in the U.S. Navy Reserve. Instead, she has been ordered to leave her job as a special-education teacher in Cascade to do security work in the Middle East.

"They're changing my career just as I'm retiring," she said. "I guess they wanted to try one more thing for me."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12581184/

And Mrs. De Pasquale is not fit! CHICKENHAWK! Then there was the story of the middle-aged woman who underwent breast cancer treatment so she could deploy with her unit. I sent De Pasquale a message calling her a hypocrite and telling her and her chickenhawk minions to march themselves down to the recruiting office and see if they qualify.

[JHB]

43. Y'know, there's an objective way to test this theory...

Lil'Lisa and her dainty friends can mosey on down to the recruiting office and find out if they're "unqualified" or not.

[tsuki]

46. Well, during my day, a loooong time ago to be sure, the draft

snatched up everyone. Even mentally feeble Republicans. 'Nuff said.

[ComerPerro]

50. not the rich ones

[tsuki]

62. True. Actually, anyone with the money could buy their kid out, but

rank and file went.

[ComerPerro]

73. also true. I think many of the rank and file rethugs have convinced themselves

that they are part of the upper class that they fall all over themselves to serve.

Or if they don't believe they are part of it, they believe they will be one of these days, very soon, if only the government would get out of their way.

[MissMarple]

70. Yup. I wonder how they will wrap their brains around Lute's talk of needing a draft.

If it gains momentum, expect tantrums and outrage, possibly followed by nervous breakdowns. :nuke:

[ComerPerro]

47. right now, anyone and everyone pretty much can join. They need people that bad

the whole "we won't make the cut" is just bullshit.

If you aren't in shape, you will be by the time you're done with boot camp.

[ComerPerro]

51. Wait a second. If George W Bush could pilot a jet while drunk and abusing drugs,

... ... ... ...

Well, actually... I guess he couldn't.... Maybe that's why he decided to stop showing up...

[Proud Liberal Dem]

52. Isn't the Army LOWERING standards???

I could've sworn I've been hearing news reports about the army taking in Skinheads, Neo-Nazis, gang members, people with criminal convictions, and a lot of other types of people that they use to eschew. Heck, the Army is even sending INJURED soldiers back into battle and limiting disability claims. So, why can't young, physically fit, and obviously patriotic young men (and women) find a way into service (if they really want to)?

[AspenRose]

55. You are right

I saw a thread here a few weeks ago about a guy who had just been released from a mental hospital....I think he was diagnosed with either bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, can't remember....anyway, that would have been reason to turn him away, but he went down the road and enlisted with no problem.

So the yellow elephants have no excuse.

[TwilightGardener]

57. "Yellow Elephants"--good term. Yellowphants. I likes it.

[Longhorn]

53. Okay, then how about they actually APPLY and then they can tell us

how and why they were turned down? Seems simple enough to me. :shrug:

[Bake]

54. How will they know if they can "make the cut" unless they try?

Really. They should just trot down there and give it a shot. If they're so sure they're not going to make the cut, they've got nothing to worry about.

Bake

[pepperbear]

56. does anyone realize how dangerous a talking point this is?

It is an out and out lie, considering the fact that they lowered the recruiting standards to include felons.

[TwilightGardener]

58. If it wasn't full of such trademark Republican convoluted logic, I'd swear

a liberal mole wrote this. It's THAT ridiculous.

[cui bono]

60. Is there a site with info as to how many of those in congress have served? eom

[progressoid]

63. Bwaaaha ha ha ha ha!!! So she's saying that young Rupubes are ...

" are either physically-challenged, intellectually-challenged or morally-challenged."???

:rofl:

[The Backlash Cometh]

65. I guess the "cut" begins with white whiney dough boys?

[KansDem]

69. HELL, YEAH!!! If they can do this...

...they can do this:

[Skittles]

75. as a veteran I understand the military life is not for everyone

however, it is my personal belief that if you are going to be gung-ho for war you really should serve if you are qualified

[rucky]

77. it's a fantastic strategy for the left

I made my freeper brother in law sputter and retreat when i handed him enlistment papers.

his wife hasn't spoken to me since.

[KG]

78. as usual, even their physical cowardice is someone else's fault.

[Megahurtz]

79. Look in the Mirror, Dudes!

:dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce:

:crazy:

[trumad]

80. Wow! just Wow!

Imagine if she wrote this in 1941?

[krkaufman]

81. So someone needs to invite Ms Pasquale down to her local recruiters station ...

... and see if she measures-up. Her argument appears to be that she *would* join, if she were only qualified. (Also, someone should ask if she's offered her services to any of the contracting companies doing work in Iraq.)

[Alcibiades]

85. Fortunately, you don't need to enlist!

The military standards don't apply to contractors, and guess what, all types of contractors are "needed" in Iraq! We have senior citizens driving trucks in convoys over there--why not college republicans?

[RamboLiberal]

89. That was what I suggested to Ms De Pasquale

If you don't qualify for military, drive a truck for KBR!

[stubtoe]

92. Kick for a great find and a good chuckle.

Thanks, wienerdoggie!