Question about Keith Olbermann

[trayted]

How long is it going to take before he goes ahead and openly endorses Hillary Clinton?

For the good lone voice that he can be in the corporate-owned media, he's still a part of the corporate media, and for him a corporate Democrat like Hillary Clinton must be a dream come true. He certainly covers her like she is.

I'll give him props, though, for putting right-wing criticisms of Barack Obama and John Edwards into context, but he sure does love to push Hillary Clinton.

[Mutineer]

1. Oh thank God you said that!

I thought it was just me who had noticed the rah-rah HRC aspect of the show lately.

[Connie_Corleone]

2. You better put on your flamesuit.

To answer your question...sort of. I love Olbermann, but his criticism of Obama's statement about Hillary was kind of weird. It's like he doesn't want Obama to say anything that might be critical of Hillary. It'll divide the Democrats?? HUH? It's the primaries, Keith.

All Obama said was that he could unite people more than Hillary. He even said that a lot of the divisiveness came from years of the republicans attacking the Clintons.

on edit: sentence structure of the subject line was awfully screwed up.

[Terri S]

3. you won't need a flame suit with me...

I agree completely, and it's been terribly disappointing. But I expect the flames should start any time now... ;)

[azmesa207]

4. Seem to me

There a whole lot of Hillary haters in this blog It seem to me that things were pretty good when Clinton was in office sound like a lot of republican talking points to me

[Mutineer]

8. Oh yeah, we're all Republicans because we dont' like HRC

Excuse me if I think she's the worse candidate in the field. but that does NOT make me a Republican for thinking that. The woman has got a ton of baggage and I think she's unelectable. I'm getting tired of losing and again, that doesn't make me a GOPer because I think that way. there are plenty of us here who are in fact good Democrats who want what's best for this country who do not support her. Why do I get the feeling that a few of HRC's faithful would see some of the rest of us burned at the stake for expressing our opinions?

[LibDemAlways]

I've never had anyone explain how Hillary would

be able to cobble together an electoral victory. Hillary as nominee equals an election close enough for the "r's" to steal again.

[trayted]

29. Hillary Clinton is not Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton was in office, not Hillary Clinton

Times have changed. We need to go back pre-Reagan in a lot of areas. We don't need to return to the 1990s. We don't need any more DLC-style incrementalism. Bush has set us back so far that we need some major changes. "Hillary" Clinton is a status quo candidate.

[TheWebHead]

5. yeah I don't get the HRC camp defensiveness

I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that Hillary as our nominee equates a fu** the south strategy and could jeopardize house/senate seats in the kind of states we made inroads in during the 2006 election. That's just what you get when a very well known person from one party, with high negatives from the other party, gets the nomination.

as much as I prefer KO to anyone on Fox, the way he frames questions generally oozes his own personal bias... and in this case, it appears to be for Clinton, against Obama.

[kid a]

6. Keith knows that any Dem on a bad day is far better than a Republican

Kucinich is my Top Dog, Edwards, Obama, then HRC....last but certainly not least.

Of course if Gore were to jump in, I'll recheck that.

:)

[Berry Cool]

7. I think some people here are being waay sensitive and going waaay overboard.

You are deliberately hearing what will offend you, rather than what Keith said. So you take anything he says about Hillary as something positive and anything he says about Obama as something negative.

Keith doesn't even VOTE, for Christ's sake.

But I just wish I had a tape now of the time I was listening to Dan Patrick's radio show and Keith said "And to tell you the truth, I wouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton if you paid me."

on edit: And this bull about him being some sort of "corporate" loyalist is also nonsense. Keith has no corporate loyalty. He is loyal to himself, not to any corporation.

[Mutineer]

9. You're an Olbermann fan aren't you?

Your sig line is stolen straight from one of the promos from his show.

I have ears. I can hear. I have a brain and a pretty high IQ and a great education to back it up and I know what I've detected from Olbermann-an ongoing pattern. Perhaps it is your favoritism and fandom of Keith that have blinded you to his bias towards Clinton.

[Berry Cool]

11. Yes, I am. And of course, because of that, I have no brain and a low IQ.

And a terrible education to back it up. My favoritism and fandom of Keith have blinded me to his bias towards Clinton. :sarcasm:

What if I accuse you of being an Obama fan? What if I say to you, "I have a brain and a pretty high IQ and a great education to back it up and I know what I've detected from Olbermann-NO ongoing pattern. Perhaps it is your favoritism and fandom of Obama that have blinded you to the fact that he doesn't have a bias against Clinton"?

Then we're even, aren't we?

[Mutineer]

13. But you're obviously biased

And you have no idea what candidate I support but you automatically assumed that I was an Obama supporter. So apparently you have quite the history of jumping to incorrect conclusions. Your posts and fandom for both HRC and KO speak volumes. I hope the three of you are very happy together.

[Berry Cool]

16. I am not assuming you are an Obama supporter.

I am saying I could SAY that, true or not. Just like you could SAY things about me, true or not.

I have no history of jumping to incorrect conclusions. I was trying to illustrate how easy it is. Thanks for helping me out.

And if you think I have any sort of "fandom" for HRC, you can guess again.

Your post DEFINITELY speaks volumes about YOUR assumptions about ME.

[Mutineer]

18. That's exactly what you said and accused me of.

I guess denial is part of your psyche?

[Berry Cool]

20. Please reread what I said:

What if I accuse you of being an Obama fan? What if I say to you, "I have a brain and a pretty high IQ and a great education to back it up and I know what I've detected from Olbermann-NO ongoing pattern. Perhaps it is your favoritism and fandom of Obama that have blinded you to the fact that he doesn't have a bias against Clinton"?

Then we're even, aren't we?

You don't understand that everything I said was theoretical ("what if")? That I was saying that I could accuse you of being an Obama fan, and blind because of your bias, and that would make us "even"...but that wouldn't make it true?

Do you get it now? You can accuse me of being a blind Keith "fangurl." I can accuse you of being a blind Obama fan. We can each accuse each other of blind bias until we are blue in the face.

But that doesn't make it true, and doesn't make either of us guilty.

It's easy to accuse someone of bias. It's not so easy to prove.

[Mutineer]

23. It's very easy where it's Olbermann and Hillary

Plenty of people saw it during the debates. Now a lot of us are apparently noticing it during his regular broadcasts too. But perhaps I'm not watching with the fan filters you've got on. Maybe you should try removing them? They are obviously impairing you're judgement and ability to be rational where he's concerned, so typical of fangurls though. That's why I refuse to become a fan of anyone. I prefer to be rational and logical. Perhaps you should give it a try?

[Berry Cool]

26. Why do you have to speak for "plenty of people" and "a lot of us"?

Why can't you just speak for yourself? Why do you have to bring a boatload of nebulous others along in support of your opinion? Can't it stand on its own? Or do you have to speak for others you never bother to name, and claim safety in numbers you cannot prove?

Perhaps I'm not watching with the fan filters you've got on. Maybe you should try removing them? They are obviously impairing your judgement and ability to be rational where political candidates are concerned, so typical of fanboys and fangurls though.

That's why I refuse to become a fan of any political candidate. I prefer to be rational and logical. Perhaps you should give it a try?

Adding: I really am leaving now. I know I am caught in an endless loop with someone whose only interest is in belittling and insulting me, and in the process is making very ironic statements about MY supposed impaired judgment, irrationality and illogic. That's how you know when it's time to go.

[Mutineer]

33. YOU were the one attempting to TELL the rest of us how to THINK

and what Keith "really meant" as if you were somehow his interpreter and we had interpreted him wrong. We hadn't. As a fangurl you can't admit what he's doing and how his personal friendship with the Clinton's is obviously impacting the way in which he's covering these candidates on his show. The MSM of which Keith is absolutely a member, are trying to cram HRC down our throats. And your primary concern in this thread hasn't been about the Candidates, it's been about the subject of your fan devotion. You don't care a whit about the candidates themselves and are only here to voice your objections about the way you feel Keith Olbermann is being wrongly portrayed. Well last time I checked, Keith Olbermann isn't running for anything. Meanwhile, we're here trying to pick a candidate who can win a general election in what well may be THE single most election EVER in the history of the United States. And what's your primary concern? That someone may have interpreted your fanboy wrongly. Go back to your fan worship. Leave political discussions to people who actually know what they're talking about and are primarily concerned with the future of this country, not some stupid television show.

[durrrty libby]

10. Duh! Keith is brilliant. Of course he supports Hillary.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Berry Cool]

12. Oh, well, THERE's a really logical argument...

*sigh*

Look, I know I'm never going to convince any of the acolytes for any of the candidates that Keith doesn't have it in for your fave and love everyone else. You'll all just accuse me of being a stupid, ignorant, biased Keith fangirl...ignoring any knowledge of him or his history that might shed any kind of light on his true attitude toward political candidates and how he should report on them. Oh well, guess there isn't anything I can do about that. The Hillary fans are going to keep rah-rahing over there, and the Obama fans over there, and you guys are going to keep engaging in your petty dualistic wars right through November 2008 from how things look.

Me? I can honestly say I have no dog in this fight, because I haven't given my heart and soul to any one candidate. Now some people might think that makes what I have to say more honest and impartial. Others, however, would just look at my avatar and my sig and say I'm a stupid Keith Olbermann fangirl, what do I know.

Oh well. One of these days, he's going to say something negative about Hillary and positive about Obama, and then the other side will be crying foul about how horribly biased he is. No way to win this one. So think what you want to think.

edit: typo fix

[Mutineer]

15. I'm sure when Keith officially endorses a candidate though

that as a loyal fangurl you'll be right there with him. :sarcasm:

And thanks for giving us permission to think for ourselves. Maybe you should try it sometime?

[Berry Cool]

19. I think for myself, thank you very much.

I am a fan of Keith because he respects people's ability to think for themselves. I don't suppose that would ever occur to anyone.

Where did I ever "give you permission" to think for yourself? You already have it. It is not mine to give, and I know that. I just hope that, having it, you give it a try.

But first, please clear your mind of all this clutter that says that just because I tell you Keith Olbermann has no candidate preferences, you can toss my statement out the window because I'm just a biased "loyal fangurl."

My support has ZIPPO to do with Keith officially endorsing anyone (which you will never see him do, so don't hold your breath). I will vote for the Dem no matter what...holding my nose if necessary. And given my general distaste for all politicians, that may well be the case.

Hmm. Maybe that's why I like Keith so much. He distrusts politicians in general, too.

[Mutineer]

21. Which is why you're trying to tell us what to think about what Keith says

because apparently you're his interpreter or something? No surer sign of a fangurl than that. But thanks for playing. Your participation here pretty much confirms what the rest of us have detected: he's got a hard-on for HRC.

[Berry Cool]

25. No, I am not his "interpreter." I was merely foolish enough to believe that someone here

might benefit from hearing from someone who's way more familiar with him and his philosophies and history than they appear to be.

Sadly, I was mistaken. All it did was get me condemned, belittled and superciliously dismissed as a "fangurl."

Your reaction to what I have said here, and the crudity of your statement "he's got a hard-on for HRC," pretty much confirms what I have detected (I don't claim to speak for any nebulous "the rest of us" like you do).

I take my leave, knowing full well what kind of "character" I have run into here, and that there are going to be plenty of them on DU through November '08, and that talking to any of them is like talking to the proverbial brick wall.

[Mutineer]

28. I've watched his show for 3 years.

I don't need your interpretation and I doubt anyone else here needed it either. I also wasn't aware that there was a course in his "philsophies and history" but I'm guessing you've appointed yourself as the teacher of said course?

And extra points for all but accusing me of being a Republican because I don't agree with you. And that dear fangurl, confirms my initial impressions of you and your attempts to think for the rest of us.

And please take your leave. The adults were having a serious discussion before the fangurl crew arrived.

[Catchawave]

14. I'm an Olbermann fan and regular viewer....

I don't see him pushing any candidate, and when he covers them, it's usually to clean the sludge off other networks' coverage and spin.

He did a nice job blasting O'Reilly for calling Edwards a liar:

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/8/14/203833/446/22#c22

[trayted]

30. Like I said...

I'll give him props, though, for putting right-wing criticisms of Barack Obama and John Edwards into context, but he sure does love to push Hillary Clinton.

He has been pushing Hillary Clinton for months now. Doesn't mean he doesn't like calling out Republicans for their anti-Democrat tirades.

[LosinIt]

17. DON'T MAKE ME STOP THIS CAR!!!!

You kids better just cut it out!

For the record, I think that neither Hillary nor Barack is electable. This has nothing to do with any of their baggage or personal characteristics, other than her gender and his race. This country is not ready to elect either a woman or a black man, and that is a crying shame.

[Berry Cool]

22. Oh, now YOU'RE going to get me angry next.

"This country is not ready to elect either a woman or a black man."

Sheesh! What is it waiting for? Christmas???? When is it going to be "ready," pray tell?????

I'm sorry, I guess I just don't see what's so frigging radical about electing a woman or a black man that the country isn't "ready" for it.

Are there a lot of immature, prejudiced, bigoted idiots who aren't ready? Yeah.

But do they represent the whole country? I sure hope not.

[Mutineer]

24. Nope just the majority.

And it takes the majority to get elected.

[Virginia Dare]

36. Anybody who will be ruthless enough to take on..

the right wing swiftboating smear machine is electable. Gore got blindsided. Kerry thought he could play it above the fray. This time there is going to have to be a no holds barred down in the sludge scorch the earth campaign against the GOP, once and for all. And regardless of who the nominee is, it is likely to be a close one again.

[HughMoran]

27. I wonder what DU is gonna be like when/if she get's the nomination

It will get verrry interesting around here...

[MagickMuffin]

31. Keith Olbermann WILL NEVER endorse a Candidate, period

I have heard him claim that he never endorses candidates because he doesn't vote.

His own words:

The longtime sportscaster, who doesn't vote and eschews any political identity — "I may be a Whig, possibly a Free-Soiler," he quipped —

He said he doesn't vote because he doesn't want to be accused of having "a horse in the race."

[DU GrovelBot]

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[drbtg1]

34. I thought Mr. Olbermann does that to make up for all the trashing Sen. Clinton gets the hour before.

I've seen Tweety and the Looney Toons trash Sen. Clinton because they don't like the sound of her voice. Her Voice! I mean, c'mon! This shit is coming from the network that hired Rita Cosby.

It may not be a conscious effort, but it does give a little balance.

[mondo joe]

35. Keith won't endorse. But how much will you freak out if Hillary wins the primary?

It could be fun to see.