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Wed Aug-15-07 07:50 PM
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Poll question: Are you not telling the truth, or not? |
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This is not about whether you think you are telling the truth or not, but whether you actually are or not, at the moment.
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Wed Aug-15-07 07:58 PM
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1. Well, this is pretty fucking dumb... |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:04 PM
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4. Not pretty fucking dumb enough, apparently? |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:11 PM
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9. No, it's just pretty fucking dumb enough. |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:01 PM
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:05 PM
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:02 PM
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3. If I asked you the same question, which would you not answer? - n/t |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:09 PM
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If I told you, would you ask? |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:13 PM
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11. I would ask you three things, but not in the order you answer. - n/t |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:18 PM
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15. In that case, no, how dare you, and yes. |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:20 PM
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:22 PM
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21. Wait, are you not answering or asking questions? - n/t |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:25 PM
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25. No, I am. Aren't I doing nothing but? |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:29 PM
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29. Yes, sometimes you are not asking questions, sometimes not. - n/t |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:32 PM
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33. My favorite part is in between the answering and the asking. |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:35 PM
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34. Well, you're just selfish. - n/t |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:39 PM
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39. Just selfish enough to keep myself humble. |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:42 PM
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42. "Humility is the worst form of conceit." - Ernst Stavro Blofeld, Diamonds Are Forever -n/t |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:52 PM
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45. "Humility in others is good for my appetite." --Oscar Schwarzenegger |
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Wed Aug-15-07 09:03 PM
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47. "Humidity is a poor excuse to gargle." - no one -n/t |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:21 PM
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19. Is that why I hate horses? - n/t |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:41 PM
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41. Do you hate all horses, or just some? |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:50 PM
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43. Are you accusing me of being horsist? - n/t |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:06 PM
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6. Ooh, I love these. What was the one about the land where everybody either always tells the truth or |
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always lies, and you come to a fork in the road and you can only ask one question to find the castle? You have to figure out which question to ask that will get to the castle whether the person is lying or not.
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:09 PM
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7. Ahh yes. "What way would he tell me to go?" |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:11 PM
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8. Oh yeah, that's it. What way would you tell me to go if I asked where the castle is? |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:15 PM
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12. well, you gotta ask each what the other would say |
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you will get the same answer from the liar and the honest person.
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:17 PM
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14. Oh yeah, that's a different solution. But it works. |
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The form of the riddle I had only has one person at the crossroads.
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:24 PM
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23. If there is only one person, it won't work the same way |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:26 PM
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26. Yeah, you just ask the one person "what they would say" to make the liar double negate. nt |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:30 PM
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i suppose, if they are a very dedicated liar. |
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But asking "what would you say if" is the basically the same as asking directly. So odds are someone who is a dedicated liar is going to tell you the lie anyway. Doubtful they would go through the process of "well, I would say right, which is a lie, but I have to lie about that, so it I should have to say left."
But this is exactly why riddles like that are just pointless mental masturbation.
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:38 PM
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38. Its from first order logic, used in making chips and programming and such. |
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From comp-sci. The point is that in logic double negation is equivalent to not being negated at all. In reality, liars often tell the truth. In logic a liar is just a negated truth teller.
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:40 PM
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40. problem is humans aren't programmed |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:52 PM
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44. Yep. Sadly the moral of the story is if you have two negation chips, you can take em both out. |
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If Boolean logic dicated human behaviour, computers would have taken over the world long ago.
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Wed Aug-15-07 09:39 PM
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48. Skynet was supposed to solve the human menace years ago. WTF is taking so long? |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:13 PM
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10. I vaguely recall that sort of riddle, but it isn't possible to determine with just one question. |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:15 PM
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13. No it is, see the answer above. Its a compound question. |
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Say the castle is to the left. Then the truthteller will say so, the liar will say its to the right. So you ask: "Which way would you tell me the castle is if I asked?" The truthteller will still say the left, but the liar will be forced to lie about his lie that its to the right, and will also tell you its to the left, so you get the right answer either way.
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:20 PM
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17. But you said we can only ask one question. Now you have changed the rules. |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:24 PM
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"Which way would you tell me to go if you asked you where the castle is?"
Still one question. I think that's what makes it tricky though, somehow our minds interpret 'one question' to mean something smaller than it really is.
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:27 PM
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28. Look, I don't want to fight with you, but here is a paste from your post: |
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Edited on Wed Aug-15-07 08:34 PM by karlrschneider
Edit: never mind, I overlooked something. Mea Culpa. I failed to note the 'liar' is -compelled- to lie according to the rules. Sorry. :-)
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:31 PM
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32. It is ONE question. fuggetaboutit. nt |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:36 PM
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35. I did, finally, 'get' it. See my previous reply. |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:54 PM
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46. Yeah, I should have said it was from a logic textbook. |
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A liar in logic is just a negated truth teller, in the real world they are something else entirely.
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Wed Aug-15-07 09:42 PM
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49. I thought about applying it to Boolean Algebra but didn't wanna get that involved... |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:21 PM
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20. If a Sticky Does Not Get Posted, How Loud a Non-Uproar Does It Create? |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:25 PM
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24. Am I not telling the truth, or not. Hmmmm. *LOL* |
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:rofl:
Okay.
You are wasted. Right?
It's okay.
Are you NOT telling the truth, or not?
*grin*
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:26 PM
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27. Well since you will never know, this poll is meaningless. |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:29 PM
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30. Yes, but only out of context. |
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Wed Aug-15-07 08:38 PM
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37. Are you telling the truth? |
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Or am I lying? Or neither? Or both?
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36. Was there a question in there. |
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