Homeland Security Enlists Clergy to Quell Public Unrest if Martial Law Ever Declared

[seemslikeadream]

http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987

Could martial law ever become a reality in America? Some fear any nuclear, biological or chemical attack on U.S. soil might trigger just that. KSLA News 12 has discovered that the clergy would help the government with potentially their biggest problem: Us.

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But gun confiscation is exactly what happened during the state of emergency following Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, along with forced relocation. U.S. Troops also arrived, something far easier to do now, thanks to last year's elimination of the 1878 Posse Comitatus act, which had forbid regular U.S. Army troops from policing on American soil.

If martial law were enacted here at home, like depicted in the movie "The Siege", easing public fears and quelling dissent would be critical. And that's exactly what the 'Clergy Response Team' helped accomplish in the wake of Katrina.

Dr. Durell Tuberville serves as chaplain for the Shreveport Fire Department and the Caddo Sheriff's Office. Tuberville said of the clergy team's mission, "the primary thing that we say to anybody is, 'let's cooperate and get this thing over with and then we'll settle the differences once the crisis is over.'"

Such clergy response teams would walk a tight-rope during martial law between the demands of the government on the one side, versus the wishes of the public on the other. "In a lot of cases, these clergy would already be known in the neighborhoods in which they're helping to diffuse that situation," assured Sandy Davis. He serves as the director of the Caddo-Bossier Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness.

For the clergy team, one of the biggest tools that they will have in helping calm the public down or to obey the law is the bible itself, specifically Romans 13. Dr. Tuberville elaborated, "because the government's established by the Lord, you know. And, that's what we believe in the Christian faith. That's what's stated in the scripture."
Civil rights advocates believe the amount of public cooperation during such a time of unrest may ultimately depend on how long they expect a suspension of rights might last.

[MADem]

1. Uh, someone waving a Bible at me isn't going to "calm me down"

That'll work real well--NOT.

What, when people are rioting in the street, Reverend Busybody and his good book are gonna make a difference? Hell no! Rev. Busybody is gonna get hit upside the head with a two by four if he doesn't get the fuck out of the way.

[JFN1]

2. Thank you

Won't work on me, either.

[ima_sinnic]

9. my sentiments exactly.

I have about as much respect for peddlers of myths as I do for the rest of the *co LIARS and charlatans.

excellent post! :yourock:

[shance]

3. This may have something to do with TIA and the community based harassment

and neighborhood 'snitching' (Citizen Corps)happening in towns nationwide.

Apparently they've been recruiting within churches.

[TheCentepedeShoes]

I think you may be on to something

Using the fundies (who are in turn being used, but too dumb in their arrogance to know it) to 'try' to control the populace.

[fed-up]

4. Field Manual 41-5 - Joint Manual for Civil Affairs

was researching price for a 1966 version of the manual and found this website, think I will keep my copy for awhile, it might come in handy

click link for pdf file of the manual

http://www.enlisted.info/field-manuals/fm-41-5-joint-manual-for-civil-affairs.shtml

Field Manual 41-5 - Joint Manual for Civil Affairs

Description:
This manual provides information and guidance on civil affairs (CA) organization, concepts, and operations for United States Armed Forces. The manual outlines the principles and general policies to be followed by elements of the Departments of the Army, Navy, and Air Force in planning and conducting civil affairs operations.





Table of Contents
Chapter 1 Introduction
Chapter 2 Military-Civil Relationships
Chapter 3 Civil Affairs Organization
Chapter 4 Civil Affairs Operations
Chapter 5 Plans
Chapter 6 Directives and Agreements
Chapter 7 Control Considerations

Appendix
Appendix A Appendix B
Index Authorization Letter

[PDJane]

5. This is assuming that the populace

has been brainwashed enough and is cowed enough to look to the priests for leadership.

I don't think that the populace down there is as dumbed down and unable to think as that implies.

[frogcycle]

6. I'll tell you

if I am ever so enraged and desperate as to take to the streets with a weapon, if someone tries to "jesus" me out of it he will be in peril. I am not that readily calmed down.

Maybe they should be recruiting strippers to handle us heathens???

[Chulanowa]

18. And then there's those pesky "other" religions...

Citing the words of Jesus to an angry Asatru is going to be somewhat... less than effective.

[demigoddess]

7. sounds like one more step in the road to theocracy.

Those preachers better carry guns, too. Bibles won't get them too far.

[Mythsaje]

8. Oh, yeah, crosses will help...

:sarcasm:

We're angry citizens, not vampires.

[smirkymonkey]

38. LOL!

:rofl:

Good one!

[MrScorpio]

10. V for Vendetta is looking more like an accurate prediction every day

This is insane

[flyarm]

11. the clergy would make me fight them!..and yes i would fight them as ferociously

if not more@!


fly

[Pacifist Patriot]

12. This clergy's response would not exactly be what they'd hope for.

[CoffeeCat]

13. Any clergy person...

...who aligns themselves with these Fascist thugs lacks
any sort of spiritual decency or values.

Therefore, these soul-lacking, boot-lickers who know nothing
about virtue, grace or decency--need to realize that this
will not work.

[Diclotican]

14. Amazing

Amazing, and this was the country the rest of the world was looking up to under the cold war as a shining exempel to us all when it come to a liberal democracy.... In the "old days" You all looket as one the best places to live in, and have a "record" of been one of the most techical country in the world. Hey you both made it to the Moon, and have the Spacecraft flying for over 20 year.. And now are dancing down to the middleages.. Good helped by a goverment who really want you to be dumb, arrogant of the world, and to follow the "new emperor" in the White House... US are more an more acting as the Germans of the 1930... And we know what THAT ended in, wel we in Europe know it pretty vel then...

And now the goverment want to stop unrest with the help of the clergy, as in Europe in the 1300s.... Hey are you living in the 2007 or in the middleages over there??

Amazing... And scary....

Diclotican

[Disturbed]

15. ""because the government's established by the Lord, you know."

Damn! How wrong could I have been. I always thought that this American Govt. was established by men who fought against British Tryranny. Is Homeland Gestapo preparing Amerika for the final take over of the Busholini Regime?

[Diclotican]

19. Wel, if you dont know what Tyranny is, you may fall out to it..

If you dont Know what Tyranny is, you may stuble into it by accident.. And under GWB the US have sliding steadly down to it.. My wield guess, from the other side of the pound is that the old "fathers of the nation" wil turn around in their graves if they know what is happening now...

I really dobt THIS was the intended result of the "experiment" they was undertaking in the 1770s, when Europe was in the firm grasp of either Royals who belive they was shoosen by God himself. Or by other means nessesary to rule with a iron fist..

For the most part, in the late 1770s the diferent Royal corts and its royal Houses belived they was shoosen by God to Rule, some alone, like dictators or tyranns, some with the help he nobles. Becouse the Royal Houses in it self was not powerful to rule alone.

For the most part, the american Constitution was a hallmark, who many Europeran Nations in the turbulent 1800s want to copy.. Even our own Norwigian Constitution have some ideas from the Great American Revolution in 1776. And some from the French Revelotion in 1793... But we shoose to have the Monarchy in 1905 when we finaly get our independence from Sweden...

And now, US in the slippery slope of being what we fearing you to be, a tyrant state, who rule of Laws is not allowed anymore. But where you can be put in prison, or worse, in som "detention camps".. Off course they are treated wel, they are just criminals who are arrestend after all isent it?.. Even in the case of Death Penalty, who the most eurperan countrys for a long time have abolished that system. Even the Russians, who are not that Conserned by public scrutiny have abolished the Death Penalty. In theory they can put the Death Penalty on the table, but they are allways comuned, to life in prison...
Even there, mr Bush and his fellow gang are trying to cut the oportunity to get a new trial when they mean they are inocent in half, and risk manny cases where inocent is killed - by the STATE for crimes they dont do..

Your wondering is as good as me guessning. its dosent look good for The American Democracy when they are willing to try to quell problems with the use of Clerecy.. What is hapening to the diference between State and the Shurche in US?

My appology for bad spelling in Engelish. Not my native language;/

[KaptBunnyPants]

16. Once again the local "Christian" apparatus is used by the state to quell justified outrage.

Yet another reason to disbelieve. If God was real, then why are "His emissaries" a bunch of jackbooted barbarians willing to lead the goose stepping down main street.

[C_U_L8R]

17. No prisoners ! No prisoners !

[Peace Patriot]

20. So-o-o-o, Katrina was likely a rehearsal. That explains a lot.

What if the people of the U.S. revolt, in the wake of some heinous act--say nuking of Iran, or institution of a military Draft to send more cannon fodder to the Middle East--or in the wake of some heinous failure of government (a corporate/gov't caused plague, a second great depression)--and the fascists in Washington DC want to quell either the popular opposition, or organized community self-help? How to do it? One way is to cut off basic services, and water and food supplies, and prevent anyone from providing them.

I read of a U.S. battleship right off the gulf coast, with several hospitals and lots of food supplies on board, ready to follow the hurricane into New Orleans. They couldn't get through to anyone in the White House, to get orders--and never went in. And we know of all the other providers who were turned away. Rote obedience to the "chain of command"--for instance, the wait for orders that never come--would be very useful--and apparently WAS very useful--in cutting New Orleans off.

Was THAT why the government SEEMED so completely clueless? They weren't really clueless--they were EXPERIMENTING!?

[seemslikeadream]

21. I remember talk of that here at the time

yes I do believe they were EXPERIMENTING

ON EDIT

Do you remember the dust up about who controlled the National Guard?

[Critters2]

22. Well, this celrgy person hasn't been asked to do this.

And I don't expect they'd want my help.

[bonito]

23. It seams sneaking out on sundays

Pretending to attend church will be back in my weekly routine again.
I'm game.

[DeSwiss]

24. Martial law as simple math....

310 million people - 5 million armed forces = 305 million people/0 million armed forces

Looked at this way (to me at least), martial law does not add up. With or without the preachers.....

[bonito]

26. Your right of course imo

I try to find humor in just about everything.

[Banned_Wagon]

35. But when you add Bush's Black Armies...

We are totally outnumbered. And with the next False Flag attack, which we all know is coming, hence Chertoff's and other officials in Washington and their gut feelings, who knows how many citizens will be killed. This is very scary shit here.
The only thing we have left to do is fight back when it happens. I am not looking forward to the day our children must face this brutality in their back yards. To hell with any Un-American prick that dragged us into this hell.
And they have the nerve to say we are supporting terrorists by dissenting against their fucking ideology? Fuck this Administration.

Congress and Senate, Repug & Dems alike have fucked us like never before. How could so many of these spineless morons vote to label Iran's ARMY a terrorist Army? The WORLD is saying the same thing about our Government. So who is right and who is wrong?

It's not even worth writing about anymore.. Game is over. Nobody is here to protect us from these assholes.. It's up to us now. Stand proud People. It's the fight for our continued Freedoms and Lives.

March in Washington September 15th. It must have a HUGE outcome. And remember, be smart, act respectively and no violence, you know the drill.
But most importantly, WATCH YOUR BACKS AT ALL TIMES!

Peace out,
Banned_Wagon

[percussivemadness]

36. agreed - It doesn`t hold water mathematically

Feels like a massive Psy-Op to me.

Peace

[Az]

25. And right there is the clearest reason why church and state must remain separate

Dogmatic Religion is a means to power. Tie the power of moral authority to the military power of the state and you have a very dangerous combination.

[Adsos Letter]

27. Once again, AZ, I find myself in agreement with you...

...and as a Christian...this Pastor is misinterpreting the idea of God creating the "idea" of government...as if no government should ever be resisted. Hitler tried this logic...and with quite a bit of success...during his reign.

Keep Church and State separate (religious affiliation, or lack thereof, voluntary and we would greatly diminish the potential for fascism in America)

[rAVES]

28. It would take years more

of fox news type propaganda, I don't even live in the states to know that it wouldn't work.
The military would not go along with shooting US citizens, its the politicians who are soulless greedy and evil.
Infact, the government attempting it could well be the best thing to happen moving forward.
its clear two thousand miles away that America desperately needs a revolution to occur. and this would spark it.

sorry if that opinion upsets you.

[Adsos Letter]

37. Pardon me...

...were you saying something?

[Zhade]

29. So fucking incredibly illegal.

If anyone tries to calm me by sticking a bible in my face, they'd better be prepared to eat it.

[smirkymonkey]

39. Not to mention incredibly fucking stupid.

Kind of reminds me of the Boxer Rebellion.

[Solly Mack]

30. using religion to control people..whodda thunk it

snort

Wave the bible at me at such a time and I'm liable to smack you with your own bible

[cascadiance]

31. And here's some toys kids can have of the clergy's forces!...

Guess they'll be looking for these guys...

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33. One of the scariest thing about this, to me...

is the blithe acceptance of the idea that the government has the power to "declare martial law" and "suspend the Bill of Rights" in the first place.

The Constitution authorizes the suspension of ONE civil right in dire national emergencies, and that is the right of habeus corpus under certain very limited circumstances, i.e. ONLY in case of "Rebellion or Invasion." Not merely a city on fire, not an earthquake, not a bad storm. And nowhere is the government authorized to suspend any of the freedoms in the Bill of Rights, whether the right to speak or assemble peaceably, the right to own and use guns, the right to be free from warrantless searches/seizures, etc.; there is no Disaster Exception Clause in the Bill of Rights.

I'm not sure where the idea came from that all the President (or Congress) has to do is mouth the words "Martial Law," and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights magically disappear and America is automatically under military rule. The supreme law of this land is the U.S. Constitution, not the whim of some government official, and I would hope that most clergy wouldn't shill for such a power grab.

[Ghost in the Machine]

34. Good... I'll have no problem helping a few of them meet their god, either..

the same as any other jackboot thug that would try to come on my property and take me, my kids, or anything I've got...