Naked mysogyny in all its cruelty

[Kelvin Mace]

Ok, let's take a look at this picture, shall we?



What do you see? I see a typical mindless gossip magazine using sex to sell copies. No big surprise there. I'm am no fan of Mariah Carey's singing, but she is a fairly attractive woman. So what does another gossip site have to say about this cover?

...that cover’s got me feelin’ emotions, indeed. Is nausea an emotion? Or is it more of a physical sensation? I guess at this point we’re just splitting hairs. All I’m trying to say is that Mariah Carey naked makes me want to vomit. Nobody wants to see a fat chick on the covers of a magazine. Unless of course it’s “Plumper” magazine and you have some kind of chubby fetish, in which case it should be noted that you’re a disgusting loser and nobody likes you.

http://yeeeah.com/blog/2007/08/24/mariah-carey-gets-naked/

I routinely see this kind of stuff attacking perfectly normal looking celebrities, calling them fat, circling spots on a photo to highlight wrinkles and flaws.

I like women who are healthy and happy, not starved and neurotic. 99% of the population do not look like these people, so, in a way, the ultra-thin are the freaks, not the rest of us.

One thing for sure, Mariah Carey may be a hack diva, but she isn't fat.

What is sad about this is I believe the writer is a woman.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

1. Ahhhhh, I Gotcha. Misread What You Were Sayin.

I don't think she's fat in a million years.

[OnTheOtherHand]

3. ah, you got it n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

6. I Know. I Corrected Already.

I thought the blurb was a reaction from some other responder who was also calling it misogyny, as opposed to an opinion from someone who was guilty of it. After reading it further (prior to anyone's advisement) I realized what was really being referenced.

[rox63]

2. No way is she fat

I wish I was that fat.

[Extend a Hand]

21. me too!

[begin_within]

4. All I can think is colonoscopy

[jpgray]

5. You found an insulting, juvenile blog on the internet. My congratulations

:toast:

[youngdem]

7. Women can be just as katty. Besides, aren't you being sexist by assuming this was written by a man

The comment isn't attributed to anyone.

Besides, it's a gossip magazine cover, and you are getting twisted about ignorant, shallow comments on a celeb's appearance?

Kinda like bitchin about sand at the beach.

[Kelvin Mace]

18. It is sad

if written by a woman (circumstantial evidence of other posts seem to support this) that a woman could hate another woman this much.

It is inexcusable written by either sex.

Yes, this is sand on the beach, but it is a very choice and ugly grain that you can see from a considerable distance.

I am not getting "twisted" about it, just felt it was a sad example of the genre and chose to share. :)

[NashVegas]

8. It Does Say It's the Website for Snarky People

Reading some of the posts, I'd say jealous people.

Betcha her butt is airbrushed.

[Kelvin Mace]

20. There is snark

and there is school yard cruelty masquerading as snark.

[noamnety]

9. Wow.

I would not have guessed that the complaint was that she was too fat, not in a million years.

I wish we could have a year of men being seen like that on magazine racks all over the place, at all checkout lines, everywhere, in dumb poses like that, while the women got a break from it. I honestly think it would take a full year, at least, of being bombarded with that everywhere they looked before some people could move beyond "what's the problem? They're just using naked men to sell things, that's normal."

[jpgray]

12. I'm buying you a subscription to Men's Health

:patriot:

[noamnety]

15. What I need you to do

Is get a dozen versions of it in every grocery store in the country. Can you do that? :D

[mondo joe]

22. The women of the country could do it if they wished to.

They just have to provide a market for it.

Gay men can't do all the heavy lifting on this project.

[Warren DeMontague]

87. If you want to start using naked men to sell stuff, be my guest.

Hell, I wouldn't mind if they put a giant reclining, priapic naked dude on the side of the freeway with a cowboy hat perched on the top of his big, swingin' ding-dong, saying "Eat At Joe's". Wouldn't bug me a bit. Might liven up the commute, actually.

What's the idea, that if suddenly we were confronted with a universe of nude-maledom we would clutch our crinoline doilies to our chests and howl with rage that we are being exploited and objectified by the evil, oppressive "female gaze"? :eyes:

Actually, I've spent enough time in the Castro to see semi-naked men being used to sell lots of stuff. And somehow I've survived without needing years of therapy to get over it. :shrug:

[noamnety]

96. Good point

We would need to inundate the media with those images, AND have men harrassed constantly on the street, AND have them discriminated against routinely in the workplace AND have them living disproportionately in poverty for it to have any real meaning.

[Warren DeMontague]

112. Gee, whiz. I thought mere images of naked people were so powerful and dangerous

that they could hyp-mo-tize and oppress all by themselves.

[noamnety]

114. All part of a system

Nobody ever claimed wearing blackface could oppress all by itself either. Part of a system.

[Warren DeMontague]

115. Ah. Well, I'm sure with enough censorship, re-education and lecturing, people will stop

looking at other people and considering them attractive, naked or clothed.

[noamnety]

117. I'm sure if we're just patient and polite

and ask nice enough, the people with power will willingly hand over their privileges. That happens a lot in history.

[Warren DeMontague]

118. No way! Obviously, stopping people from finding each other attractive is such an important, worthy

goal that it should be fought for and achieved by any means necessary.

[noamnety]

122. enough with the snark

Seriously. I shouldn't be responding with snark either, so my bad there.

But if you look back at the points we were actually trying to make, nobody said the problem is "finding people attractive."

If you want to debate a point, debate it. The whole way you're going about this - acting like complaints about misogyny are about "finding people attractive" isn't really worth your time or mine.

[Warren DeMontague]

131. Nah, if I wanted to get snarky, I would find the thread in the archives where you demanded men stop

exercising the evil phallocratic "privilege" that makes us think we can glance at women- and find them physically attractive.

But, as you say, who has the time for this shit? :shrug:

[shadowknows69]

135. Janet's boob almost destroyed america

never underestimate the power of a sexually repressed society.

[MrSlayer]

10. She doesn't look fat to me.

The airbrush has her looking rather.....edible.

[Posteritatis]

11. Ugh

I know folks have gotten increasingly idiotic over what constitutes "fat" these days, but it keeps surprising me just enough to keep me pissed off at those kinds of people.

Get a load of the tags it's posted under, too, as well as the comments. Oy. Gotta love living in a world where finding people of normal weight to be attractive is now a "fetish."

[Kelvin Mace]

24. That was kind of my point

This is not an isolated instance. I stumbled on this site while looking for a pic of Janeane Garofalo (who I think is pretty, but she overdid the tats) and just started reading. I then read through a number of similar sites and found the same kind of thinking.

These blogs do represent (IMHO) Hollywood's view of women. It is SHOCKING what they call fat.

[EFerrari]

53. When I lived in Santa Monica, it felt like being surrounded

by anorexic women in SUVs. Twenty kinds of sad.

[Jed Dilligan]

77. They need those bloated shells to protect

their fragile, emaciated bodies...

[Horse with no Name]

79. Speaking of Janeane Garofalo

www.dimensionsmagazine.com/.../garofalo/

>>>snip
"It's criminal to be a fat woman in this society, and it offends me. I'm sorry, but I can't relate to Friends. I think it's an above-average sitcom, but it's all about hair, clothes, and Aniston's nipples. You look at a Sharon Stone or an Uma Thurman and you feel inadequate. You can't help it. ... I starved myself down 30 pounds, and I hated it. It lasted about a second and a half. It's just not me. I didn't want to be another actress who doesn't eat." (Swing, October 1996)
>>>snip
"You know what would be great? If people took that much time to work on their personality skills. Or their intelligence. ... People don't pay attention to the mind. ... Most people are quite content to let their personality, and being an interesting person, fall by the wayside in pursuit of a weight goal. And also, you'll always find, what brings a personality down so fast is vanity. ... I cannot stand that kind of vanity that comes from being lean. I really hate it, in myself and in other people. And your personality gets worse, I think, as your weight declines. You become less special. You become less inclined to use your personality to connect with people. You know? The aesthetic speaks before your mind." (The Late Late Show, April 7, 1997)

[sanguinivorous]

80. I met Janeane Garofalo once...

By no stretch of the imagination was the woman fat. She's a tiny thing.

And it might be airbrushed to Hell and back, but Mariah Carey doesn't look the least bit fat in that picture, either.

[smirkymonkey]

13. The fashion hags would have us all look like concentration

camp victims. The responses aren't much better (and I'm sure the people making them are abolutely stunning :sarcasm: ). God, people are assholes. I'm not a big fan of hers, but I think she looks perfectly fine - good, in fact.

[RC]

14. Yeah, let's see more 'fat' chicks like this.

Talk about the good book's "...in our image..." This is a good example.

Walking skeletons are not healthy. At the first symptoms of menopause the shrivel up like prunes.

[Joe Fields]

16. Oh, THE HUMANITY!!!!!!

[nini]

17. I doubt that person has sen anyone naked..

so how would they know? :shrug:

[mondo joe]

19. Mariah Carey seems to be a special target for the venom of some.

I don't understand it, personally.

[Kelvin Mace]

25. I can see a lot of reasons to pick on her

from a talent perspective, but her appearance is fine.

[pansypoo53219]

38. considering she has been dressing like a $20 ho(sorry)

it's nice to see her just be cheesecakey.
i'm surprised that mag is still around.

[mondo joe]

44. See, that's really what I don't get.

And I don't mean to be argumentative or accusatory to you.

I just thought she looked like a lot of other pop stars, and not much different than she ever has. But for some reason Mariah Carey seemed to really get people bothered.

[pansypoo53219]

126. true. seems everything is

getting slutty and stripper fashion. even guys. sexy sexy sexy. no sultry, no understated. gotta flaunt it. and she looked far better with curly hair. sick of this flat 'dirty' hair look. she looked far prettier early in her career.
i guess she HAS to follow the trend.
but no, she is not fat. she has curves. taint it nice to see somebody that doesn't need a sammich?

[qdemn7]

23. Fat HELL!

She looks gorgeous! Only someone with an eating disorder would consider her fat.

[knitter4democracy]

26. They think she's fat?! Man, that's messed up.

I have a good fifty pounds on her, and I don't think I'm that fat. Humph.

Oh, and couldn't they have found a better tablecloth? Heck, I have a shawl that would've photographed far better in the same color, if they'd wanted. It's not that it's bad crochet, just that it's not all that great. They should've done better for a cover photo than use that. Call a crocheter or knitter or a yarn shop next time. We would've made her look great. ;)

[Raksha]

35. It's a nice tablecloth, but it was probably made at a sweatshop in China.

They don't need to promote that kind of thing either!

[knitter4democracy]

95. Sweatshop is right.

Crochet can't be machine made. They haven't figured out how to mechanize it, so everything that's crocheted (like that tablecloth and all the latest crochet fashions at the mall) is made by a pair of human hands. How much do you think that crocheter was paid for that tablecloth? My bet is pretty much pennies.

[Raksha]

129. I'm well aware of that. I used to teach crochet,

and I know that unlike knitting, it can't be duplicated by machine. The best you can do to approximate it is a "crochet look" but that's not the same as the real thing. The tablecloth was probably made by a 12-year-old girl in a sweatshop in China, who I HOPE was allowed an adequate number of potty breaks during her workdays, but you can't be sure about that.

I refuse to buy that stuff new and reward the exploiter in any way. I do sometimes buy handmade lace from China (crochet and other types) that I find in thrift shops, but I still feel a little guilty about it. At least I can appreciate the amount of work that went into it, which is more than most people can say.

[knitter4democracy]

136. I do the same thing.

I'll buy stuff at thrift shops and estate sales, and I figure that at least I'm honoring the work by keeping it out of the trash. I got some gorgeous handkerchiefs at an estate sale with crocheted lace edgings and two were needle tatted. Just gorgeous! They only wanted fifty cents each. Sad that her work was so devalued like that.

I feel the same way about "handknitted" items in the stores. Most of them are done in sweatshops, and that's just not okay to me.

[Democrats_win]

27. The commentator should go see Hairspray and enjoy the diversity of life!

Welcome to the 60s?

[mondo joe]

28. EVERYONE should go see Hairspray.

:-)

[porphyrian]

29. Wait, the John Waters one or the new one? I've seen the first. - n/t

[mondo joe]

32. Both!

If you can't abide musicals at all don't see the new one. But I enjoyed it quite a bit.

Great message too: social justice can be joyful.

[porphyrian]

39. Musicals are hit and miss with me, but I do like the messages of tolerance...

...and it would be interesting to see what Travolta has done with Divine's role.

[mondo joe]

43. He has (and I would say wisely) don't a very different character.

There's no one for a Divine role but Divine. Travolta did something different, which against all expectation I liked.

[porphyrian]

47. Hmm. Travolta is good when he's good.

I'll have to check it out when I'm feeling musical-tolerant.

[Midlodemocrat]

108. Fantastic movie! And the not so subtle lesson was not lost

on the six 11 yo girls I brought with me. The conversation in the car on the way home was very enlightening and, I might add, uplifting.

[mondo joe]

137. My 12 and 10 year old daughters have now seen it 4 times each.

I am SO grateful to have a really positive message in such a fun package.

[The Straight Story]

30. uh....were..you.... saying...some...thing...

Oh yeah, um ok. good post and all, can't see the pic while typing this so will keep it short.

The idiots typing that bs about her are...well...idiots.

[Raksha]

31. Fat??? She's normal...in fact quite slender and attractive.

What's wrong with these people?

[pitohui]

50. she is attractive but she is not slender, she is curvy

mariah is neither fat nor is she slender -- she has never been slender, she's always had the full package

she is at the proper weight for a woman of her bone structure and curvature

slender is someone who is still attractive but on the less curvy side, you don't expect thighs like that on "slender" -- don't get me wrong, slender is a nice look but it just doesn't happen to be mariah's look

unfortunately we now have a culture where "size 8 is the fat size" and many stars aim at being a size 0 or a 2, which is probably NOT attainable for mariah nor does she need to strive to attain it, she has a womanly (not matronly!) but a real woman's build and to some people that does make them uncomfortable and they freak out and start throwing the fat word around

[Raksha]

71. I was just going by the picture, which could have been airbrushed.

She appears slender in that picture. I'm not familiar enough with the way she looks to make a judgment call one way or the other.

[LostInAnomie]

33. Of all the cruelty that misogyny is capable of...

... calling a world famous singer "fat" on the internet ranks pretty low.

[gravity]

34. That blogger is the biggest loser

Don't give him attention

[gollygee]

36. I think this is worse

http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/Front/855004.html

Jenny Dionne started her night on the town in typical fashion a few weeks ago. It ended abruptly one drink later when she wasn’t allowed to re-enter a bar after stepping outside for a smoke because staff thought she was too big.

[smokey nj]

55. I wonder if that nightclub has a similar policy for overweight men.

If they don't then it is, in fact discrimination.

[ThomCat]

59. That is a damned good point.

[ThomCat]

56. That is horrible.

I would join a walk-out of any place that did that. x(

[celestia671]

37. It probably is a woman.

I was flipping channels the other night and landed on the Tyra Banks show. She had these women come on who hated their bodies. Anyway, they put a group of other women in a room to look at videos of the guests. The women tore the guests apart, criticizing everything. Next, they had men come in to do the same. The men actually thought the women looked good.

It's very sad, but true. Women tend to be our own worst enemy when it comes to appearance.

[gravity]

40. That's the irony behind it

Media and businesses push unrealistic images on women making them insecure so that they can sell more crap and make more money.

Women's perception of attractiveness is different from what men see. I guess women focus too much on the flaws, while men focus on the "goods"

[Kelvin Mace]

45. Back when I was serving 5 to life

in fast food management, I managed a store with a practically all female staff (just me and the crew chief were guys) and had all my sexual stereotypes corrected. Women will engage in FRANK sexual discussion, will dish on their boyfriends/husbands.

However, they were also VERY katty about rivals, and immediately went for looks when attacking.

In college, when hanging with my nerdly gang, the women in the group didn't act this way, so I would be tempted to say this is a matter of education rather than sex.

But, what do I know?

[Withywindle]

105. In my experience...

...women are FAR more vicious and judgmental about other women (especially their appearances and sexual behavior) than men are.

It's why "sisterhood" is great in theory, but often very implausible in practice.

[Kelvin Mace]

107. I would love to see a real study done

to test my theory about education being a factor. It seems the lower the education level, the more vicious they can be.

[Withywindle]

109. I don't know if that's true.

I think at higher education levels they just find a way to couch it in passive-aggressive psychobabble. Doesn't make them any kinder at heart.

[Lorien]

62. I agree. I think I saw some of that Tyra Banks show

Ms. Banks is very sensitive to the topic, as she has been criticized for being a "fat cow" :eyes: I think that both she and Mariah Carey have lovely figures (though the pose above is a bit awkward). They both look quite healthy, and that's something to be proud of.

Yes, many of my women friends are horrible to other women when it comes to talking about their appearance. Some of them refer to me as a "big girl", undeserving of anyone's attention, while many of my male friends think I'm pretty hot. I'm 5' 8" and I wear a size ten. I'm one of those curvy girls-large chest and hips, but the rest isn't large. Years ago I was anorexic- I weighed only 97 pounds and my bones stuck out grotesquely, but I was still only a size 7/8. Some of us have broad shoulders and pelvises-nothing will ever make us a size zero. I remember back when I was so thin my doctor threatened to hospitalize me. He said that being 20 pounds over weight wouldn't hurt me, but being twenty pounds under weight could kill a person. I always remembered that. The standards today are absurd. Here we are, the fattest nation on earth, yet we still demand an unreasonable and unhealthy idea of "perfection" from young women-especially celebrities. Someone has to say "ENOUGH"! Mariah Carey isn't fat, Tyra Banks isn't fat, Drew Barrymore isn't fat, Kate Winslet isn't fat, and on and on. Cattiness only brings us all down.

[Norrin Radd]

41. Fat?!

[Captain Hilts]

42. Will next month's cover have a scantily clad man? No? That IS sexist. nt

[blogslut]

75. It's Interview Magazine

And yes, they just might have a half naked fellow on the cover next month.

Interview is a magazine founded by artist Andy Warhol and Gerard Malanga in 1969. Dedicated to the cult of celebrity which fascinated Warhol, it featured cutting-edge graphics and interviews of celebrities. These interviews were usually unedited or edited in the eccentric fashion of Warhol's books and The Philosophy of Andy Warhol: From A to B and Back Again.

Complimentary copies of Interview were often given to the "in-crowd" to lure them into contributing to the magazine, and given as freebies to attract potential new advertisers.

Toward the end of his life, as Warhol withdrew from everyday oversight of his magazine, it became more focused on presenting the point of view of the fashion elite (under the reigns of editor Bob Colacello), and a more conventional editorial style was introduced. However, Warhol continued to act as ambassador for the magazine, distributing issues in the street to passers by and creating ad hoc book-signing events on the streets of Manhattan...

link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interview_(magazine)

EDIT ADD: The March 2007 cover:

[blogslut]

46. You want pissed off?

Then check out this one, from a "woman's" magazine, no less:

[acmavm]

51. Wow, airbrushed those lines under her eyes out big time. Do these

magazine people not understand that human beings have flaws? Oops, I just thought about what I typed. That was stupid. Have airbrush, will publish.

[ThomCat]

60. Really. And did they have to change the curve of her back

and make her arm even more skinny? She's already thin. Does she really need to be bony and skinny?

[blogslut]

61. Study it some more

Not only did they remove her expression lines, they gave her a diet and tarted up her make up.

I am still confounded by it. I've had this one on my hard drive for over a month and I am still pissed when I see it. I just don't understand it. The original was a perfectly lovely photo of a very lovely woman. What is the reason for this? She's not skinny enough to go with the cover headlines? Redbook readers want their cover girls to have smokey eyes and the bodies of anorexics? A photo-retoucher trying to justify a paycheck?

[Kelvin Mace]

69. See, this is why you and I will never make the big bucks

Those goddamn ethics keep screwing us up.

[blondeatlast]

92. I remember a time in the not-so-distant past that Redbook tried to mak e its cover girls,

even the celebrities, look very "homey" and safe. I'm not talking pre-2000s, either, but just a few years ago.

You know, slightly done but casual hair, sweaters, toned down makeup. Very "accessible" to their readership. Even the "before" shot of Faith Hill would have been too glam for the cover.

[Left Is Write]

110. Frankly, I think she looks better in the original photo than the airbrushed one!

[Kelvin Mace]

68. My wife and I agree that it is the flaws

that add character and make people attractive.

[EFerrari]

74. This whole thing reminds me of ColorForms.

Remember those? Thin, rubber two dimensional figures that a kid could arrange on a plastic coated board that was themed.

[blondeatlast]

90. Added her left arm, trimmed her back fat, tapered the arm in the foreground,

smoothed her skin--and that's just what I can see--not what I remember. Here's the "Annotated Guide to Making Faith Hill Hot" from Jezebel.com. I fyou want to know how photo editors think, this is a good start:

http://jezebel.com/gossip/distort-by-numbers/the-annotated-guide-to-making-faith-hill-hot-278978.php

[Lorien]

64. There's loads more of such examples here:

http://glennferon.com.nyud.net:8090/portfolio1/index.html

No wonder we have such unrealistic expectations!

[blondeatlast]

93. This one is outrageous...

Before:
http://glennferon.com.nyud.net:8090/images/Ads/lydia_guitar_over.jpg

After:
http://glennferon.com.nyud.net:8090/images/Ads/lydia_guitar_ad.jpg

http://glennferon.com.nyud.net:8090/portfolio1/portfolio50.html

[Kelvin Mace]

67. EXACTLY

Now, thanks to Photoshop we get people who don't actually exist in REALITY.

[blogslut]

72. Now now

Photo retouching has been around as long as photography. I will admit, photoshop makes it easier.

[rockymountaindem]

48. She looks great!

Better than one of those people who looks like they just walked out of some disaster movie wherein the disaster is a famine (have they made a movie like that?).

In any case... yeah. Nice pic.

[WillyT]

49. Stop It, Stop It, STOP IT !!! - I Cannot Take All This Droolty !!!

Er... what's that? Oh... nevermind.

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

52. I just want you all to know, I have EXACTLY that same problem.

:rofl:

[Canuckistanian]

54. Perhaps this would be more to their liking?

[trumad]

57. Yeah--this pic would sell thousands,,,,

[Swamp Rat]

58. 'Fatness' is relative

:)

As for the crappy magazine, that's the first cover I've seen in ages. While in checkout lines I normally blur out images of tabloids, thus preventing them from entering my mind... especially now that BatBoy is gone. :D

[Kelvin Mace]

66. I will miss the Weekly World News

My favorite headline from the 80's:

AIDS epidemic causes massive drop in vampire attacks.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

63. How the hell is she considered fat?

She's the perfect size.

[tofurkey]

65. The pose and her expression are awkward

Not a great photo. Personally I've never found her attractive and in need of a really good fashion stylist, but certainly not fat.

[EFerrari]

70. The awkwardness is most likely deliberate on the editor's part.

It gives the impression that she was caught "off guard" and plays to the voyeurs that traffic in women.

[mountainvue]

73. That photo is horrible. I can't believe she allowed them

to publish it.

[Quantess]

85. what's so bad about it? (no text)

[mountainvue]

98. Bad lighting, bad angle and her hair looks

dirty.

[twenty4blackbirds]

76. she looks like plastic or wax...

but certainly not 'fat'. I think the body and face is lacking a healthy dose of body fat.

[mudesi]

78. If Mariah Carey is fat, I'm the second coming of Jesus Christ. (nm)

[Quantess]

81. She looks gorgeous in that photo, what is that hater talking about?

Mariah Carey has had to work, and battle, to keep slim, as most women do! I know what it's like to fight fat. At times, it was an obsession. As a mantra, I memorized big words like exiguous.:eyes: But, looking back at my dedicated (and twisted) work at keeping thin, and my unacceptance of my body, I wasn't that much slimmer than I am now.

But... maybe.... I need to slip on those goggles that say "OMG you're too fat!! Do something ASAP!! Fattie!!" I NEVER want to go back to those self-loathing days.

I started jogging again and I love it! I'm going easy for now, because it's been a whole year since I was active in fitness. In the past, I've abused ephedra because it makes me run faster. I was actually irritated that ephedra was banned. Do I still miss ephedra? Yes, I do!

Anyway, I think Mariah Carey should, firstly, be highly praised (or criticised) for her singing talents. IMO, she's a talented singer. Her weight should not matter.

[hfojvt]

82. is it necessary to pick on the ultra-thin freaks?

Seriously, as a skinny guy I routinely get rude comments about my physical stature from all ages and both sexes. The worst part is that I don't have the muscles to give those people the a$$-kicking that they have coming to them.


That's not really true though. Once some old guy insulted me when I was holding a sledgehammer that I was buying at a rummage sale. He made a comment that I would have to bulk up before I could use that hammer. Armed with that hammer I could have easily put him in the hospital, or worse, but the law frowns on that kind of sh*t.

I guess if I had thought quicker I coulda dropped it on his toes and then said "Oh, I am so sorry sir. I guess I just wasn't strong enough to hold it up."

[Quantess]

86. Jerks have many targets.

It takes a while to figure out what makes one a target. Or, is it something that we all learn at an early age?

:)

Edit: I posted this, because I think it's a good question.

[Bluebear]

83. Would we see Justin Timerlake in a similar nudie pose?

Would he be called fat as well?

Mariah's make-every-note-seven-notes style drives me to distraction but fat she ain't.

[Warren Stupidity]

103. Equality in that direction is happening.

That is a rather poor example as he is pretty much the hot-boy celebrity equivalent of the hot-girl celebrity, and as he becomes too old for the hot-boy role his career will likely fade into aging hot-boy diva decline (or whatever the male equivalent of diva is.)

[eridani]

84. This garbage is way more prevalent than porn n/t

[BlueIris]

88. In all its glory, indeed. "...not starved and 'neurotic,'" "the ultra-thin are the freaks..."

Um, you do realize that many "neurotic" and "ultra-thin" people who appear that way as the result of starvation (unless you were picking on those of us whose thinness results from individual metabolic and other non-anorexic health aberrations that you wouldn't know anything about just by looking at us) are mentally ill, right? Yeah, you probably did, but you knew the only way to justify insulting them was by pretending they aren't mentally ill and deserving of compassion you clearly don't have, and minimizing their serious problems by labeling them "freaks."

You're really no less misogynist than the dipshit whose blog comment you've (sorta) tried to condemn here.

[Perry Logan]

89. You want misogyny? Just listen to the anti-Hillarites.

[frogcycle]

100. oh bullshit

[Katherine Brengle]

91. I swear to dog I am going to fucking scream.

1) Mariah Carey is not fucking fat.

2) Regardless of whether she is or not, why do assholes think they have an inherent right to comment on it?

3) Why why why why fucking why must we always reduce a woman (who according to the magazine's cover is the "world's biggest diva") to whatever fucking pleasure or displeasure her naked body gives to men?

I'm so fucking sick of this shit.

[The Vinyl Ripper]

94. And yet you use a vulgar word for intercourse as an expletive.

I'm not sure what it is you want people to actually do.

[Katherine Brengle]

97. Jesus H.

Even I, in my ivory man-hating bitch tower, am imperfect.

:eyes:

[Warren Stupidity]

102. Yes, but are you fat?

:sarcasm:

[frogcycle]

99. yeah

[Warren DeMontague]

132. If it's any consolation, I think very few male oppressors use Interview magazine for

their masturbatory thoughtcrimes against womanity.

So it's extremely unlikely that the patriarchy-enabling picture of Mariah Carey, good as she looks there (Bzzzzzzzt! "Sorry. impermissible response." Bzzzzzzt!) has resulted in very many unauthorized phallocentric orgasms. Isn't that a relief?

[Warren Stupidity]

101. She looks healthy and attractive to me.

The current fascination with ultra-thin is ridiculous and oddly parallels the increasing obesity of the public at large. Twiggy, for those of you old enough to remember, would not be considered unusual these days.

[BulletproofLandshark]

104. I don't know. She looks pretty damn hot to me.

And she always did.

[Exultant Democracy]

106. This is an examply of someone on crack, cause she looks fine

real fine.

[Vinca]

111. OMG - if that's fat, you can call me Shamu. She's gorgeous! nt

[Warren DeMontague]

113. She looks good.

To call her "Fat" is absurd.

[krispos42]

116. Mariah has absolutely perfect curves

She is the one of the best definitions of the graceful, sexual, warm, healthy, generous, soft, flowing, sensual, imviting, and erotic feminine curves that catch the eyes (among other things) of straight men.

Not to mention the warm and attractive face, great smile, and lusterous hair.

If a woman wrote the above comment, I think somebody's been bitten by a little green bug call Jealousy.

[idgiehkt]

119. Is it misogyny or self-loathing or sexual competition...

This is what women do to other women they see as competition. They cut them down and tear them to bits. Not all women, but some. I've heard it called 'cattiness' and other terms like that. Sometimes women aren't even conscious that the reason they are attacking another woman is because they are threatened by her...they justify it in all sorts of ways. If this truly is another woman's word then it may be cultural standards she's seeing this picture through but I think it's behavior that women really have to look at within ourselves that can't really be attributed to what is normally percieved as 'misogyny' which is more of a male-oriented hatred of women.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

120. The culture of cattiness strikes again

Women and gay men should know better.......

[Liberal_in_LA]

121. a**hole who wrote comment is probably fat and wrinkled.

[ldf]

123. as far as i can see, it shows that the term "diva"

doesn't mean shit, anymore.

sad. :shrug:

[DutchLiberal]

124. I think you're wrong.

I think 99% of the people DO like very thin women, unfortunatley. Why else would the media continue to present this insane ideal? If people didn't like it, they wouldn't buy it!

The photo looks photoshopped, by the way. As if the head was put on somebody else's body.

[cyborg_jim]

125. I'm not sure

If you see really thin women in real life it's... well I find it disconcerting to see a woman's ribs.

Photoshop does help the lies though.

[DutchLiberal]

133. Yes, I agree. But apparently magazines with *really* slim (almost skinny) women sell best...

... So I wonder: wouldn't the sales drop if the audience *really* wouldn't want to see it?

I don't like skinny girls either. In fact, I know no one who does. Slim girls, yes. But when you look at, say, the Olsen twins, you get scared at how skinny they are. YET, they're famous and get a lot of attention from the public..

[goodhue]

127. Interview is hardly a typical mindless gossip magazine

Although certainly they are using sex to sell copies

[FooFootheSnoo]

128. I've been on quite a few of the celeb gossip sites

Confession: I can't read about politics and world problems all the time, it's just too depressing. Call me shallow, but sometimes I just want to read something really shallow and fluffy, so I head to makeupalley or perez hilton's site or whatever other celeb gossip website has an interesting article. It's a guilty pleasure.

From what I've seen, most of the celeb gossip websites are absolutely viscious. A lot of them pick on Mariah Carey. I'm not sure why. She's not as badly behaved as some. I wouldn't call her fat, but she's not as thin as she looks in this picture. I believe she also wears clothes that are a couple of sizes too small. I think the nasty attitude on celeb gossip websites is in response to the impossible images Hollywood perpetuates. I'm not trying to defend what this guy (or girl) is saying. I don't think it comes from mysogyny, I think it comes from people being fed up with trying to look like this picture and realizing it's really all fake and NO ONE looks like a cover girl in real life, not even the cover girls themselves.

[Jamastiene]

130. She's not fat. You are right.

Certain people will not shut up until a woman is a size 0. That's ridiculous. Give me a woman with a healthy weight and a good appetite who I can sit down and talk to any day. Anyone complaining about that picture and saying she's fat has some serious issues.

[Colorado Progressive]

134. cant stand her music but she is NOT fat!

nt