Important: Here is the declas IG executive report on OSP

[lala_rawraw]

Got it in AM:

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Raw_Story_first_to_acquire_declassified_0209.html

[blm]

1. Good deal and THANK YOU.

.

[EVDebs]

2. "...no recommendations." Acting OIG Thomas F. Gimble comes thru for *

Gimble's bio
http://www.dodig.mil/bios/gimble_bio.html

predecessor Schmitz's bio
http://www.defenselink.mil/bios/schmitz_bio.html

Race's bio
http://www.dodig.osd.mil/BIOs/race_bio.html

All keeping the lid on for Bushco.

[lala_rawraw]

3. you nailed it

[EVDebs]

5. Check Schmitz's bio..."SMOM" very interesting

Seems like agents of 'foreign power' get special treatment in the DoD.

Their Will Be Done by Martin A. Lee
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1983/07/willbedone.html

and hey, wasn't FBI breacher Robt Hanssen an Opus Dei member ?

[lala_rawraw]

7. it all does sort of

have almost a Gladio like smell to it with the Italians and strange cult like organizations, no? by the way... Wapo is getting all the credit for their coverage of this... can you imagine? oh and the right side of the isle? you won't even believe their take:

http://www.atlargely.com/2007/02/osp_fallout_rou.html

[EVDebs]

10. WaPo ? Pro-Vietnam war then, pro-Iraq (Iran?) now...

Bob Woodward and Sen. Robert F. Bennett
http://www.metroactive.com/papers/sonoma/07.03.97/scoop-9727.html

"""I have told Woodward everything I know about the Watergate case, except the Mullen Company's tie to the CIA."--Robert F. Bennett, testifying before House Special Committee on Intelligence, July 2, 1974.

Robert Bennett was the head of Robert R. Mullen and Co., a CIA front ...""

Background of Woodward and former boss reeks of intell

Ben Bradlee
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbradleeB.htm

Robert Upsur Woodward
http://www.ctka.net/pr196-woodward.html

[KoKo]

32. I kind of disagree on Gimble. Schmitz held off producing any

report because he was a total tool of Bush/Cheney. Gimble seemed at least to have accounting experience and took over the job in '05 and the report seems more damning (even if much is left out) than anything Schmitz would have come up with.

Haven't had a chance to read the declassified but what came out at least got some coverage by Levin...but not much in the MSM.

I guess I trusted Gimble (being a career civil servant) to have some "old school" integrity to try to get some of the worst out. But, it seems you and LaLa think he's no more credible than Gimble and that's disturbing. What are your complaints about Gimble so I can understand better why you think he totally whitewashed the report. :shrug:

[Blackhatjack]

4. I read the public disclosure this way .....

The activities of the OSP were not illegal because Donald Rumsfeld ordered them to do what they did. However, the information provided by the OSP was outside their authority for gathering and producing intelligence, and in fact was untruthful as far as giving an accurate picture of the intelligence communities's opinion on these issues. Therefore their activities were 'inappropriate.' We do not have to make recommendations about remedial steps to take since we have already acted internally to make sure it does not happen again.

I would hope the full classified report given to Congress places blame where it is due, but I doubt it. Cheney and Rumsfeld set up this unholy operation, used it to bootstrap their war plans, and made the intelligence community take the fall for this renegade OSP conspiracy with them to convince the American public we had to go to war in Iraq.

THis just reinforces my cynicism about ever holding the NeoCons responsible for their illegal actions that have cost thousands of American lives, tens of thousands or more of Iraqi lives, and literally pillaged the public treasury of this country.

[lala_rawraw]

9. they are, to say the least, alarmed!

although they should not be... the alternative press reported all of this... Laura Rozen, Sy Hersh, me, Antiwar, Josh Marshall, etc.

[riderinthestorm]

18. Who do you think is alarmed?

Other than the ones you've mentioned (and you all are important! :hug: )

Kick and nom (and hoping for the firetrucks to start rolling).

[Blackhatjack]

6. Larisa, if you know, where does the "Iranian Directorate" fit in? How is it different from OSP?

I can see no difference between what the OSP was doing and what the Iranian Directorate is doing today in regard to Iran.

[lala_rawraw]

8. only one difference

Feith gone... Shulsky and others still there... but just a reminder, OSP was focused on Iran as well as Iraq.

[EVDebs]

11. "Duped" or Treason ? And R's still support this 'intelligence' ?

"Patrick Lang, former director of the DIA's Middle East branch, said he had been told by colleagues that Chalabi's U.S.-funded program to provide information about weapons of mass destruction and insurgents was effectively an Iranian intelligence operation. "They (the Iranians) knew exactly what we were up to," he said.

He described it as "one of the most sophisticated and successful intelligence operations in history."

"I'm a spook. I appreciate good work. This was good work," he said."

Saturday, May 22, 2004
Iran used Chalabi to dupe U.S., report says

By Knut Royce
Newsday
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001935950_iranchalabi22.html

[Blackhatjack]

12. I remember that, but Feith had to go since his fingerprints are all over OSP doings....

The fact that Rumsfeld 'resigned' and still has an office at the Pentagon, maintains basically the same perks he had before resigning, and the creation of the Iranian Directorate in the Pentagon, just goes to show that things are still operating in the same mode by the same people.

IMHO 2 things will have to happen to make any kind of change: 1) An insider with an attack of 'conscience' and lots of bravery will have to come forward and provide the condemning evidence of what is really going on; and 2) the American MSM will have to be exposed as acting in complicity with Bush/Cheney and the NeoCons to carry out their nefarious plans.

Without both, I do not think there is a chance that 'things will change'.

Additionally, I believe any blockbuster exposures will have to be leaked to 'foreign media sources' in order to get the truth out. There is too much coordinated effort by American media sources to allow this to just appear.

[Blackhatjack]

13. Imagine Feith being called before the Senate Foreign Relations Comm to testify as head of OSP...

... They could not allow that to happen. So they shipped him out, put in his replacement and changed names to protect the guilty.

Feith would be the one person who should be put under oath, and this time when he lies this time he needs to get jail time.

There is no way to deal with these characters that just go out one door to reenter in another.

[leveymg]

14. Thanks for the excellent write-up and the link to the doc.

You're doing a great job covering this. Much better than any of the news outlets.

Thanks for bringing this to DU.

Hope you're feeling better.

- Mark

[lala_rawraw]

16. thanks for asking....

and nope, still sick as dog... going on two weeks... but i am glad you appreciate the work... i was worried that given my fever i was hallucinating at what i was looking at.. hard to believe that Anna Nicole Smith is kicking the news of a cooked intel campaign to get us into war off the front pages, eh?

[leveymg]

19. Can you think of bigger 'distractions' to keep this out of the news cycle?

A little heating of the brain cells doesn't hurt at all.

[Oilwellian]

15. It sickens me to think...

they'll get away with this. I can't even express the rage I feel.

:kick:

[mod mom]

17. "purportedly sought to purge the Pentagon" so why trust this report?

Led by Feith, the group's members also included Larry Franklin, who pleaded guilty to leaking classified documents regarding Iran to a Washington-based Israeli lobby in 2005; prominent neoconservative and Iran-Contra intermediary Michael Ledeen; and Middle East expert Harold Rhode, who purportedly sought to purge the Pentagon of anyone opposing the group’s hawkish Iraq agenda.

[EVDebs]

21. Correct. Read the bios of Thomas F. Gimble and Joseph Schmitz

the OIGs at DOD while all this crap was going on. Gags a maggot on a gut wagon.

[Emit]

20. From NPR: "Douglas Feith Responds to Criticism"

CHADWICK: First, there is another report today on the intelligence failures that led the U.S. into the Iraq war. This one is from the Pentagon. It says a former top official there presented misleading reports to President Bush and Vice President Cheney and others. That official is the former undersecretary of defense, Douglas Feith. We'll hear from him in a moment.

Here is Senator Carl Levin, the chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee, which is releasing a declassified version of the report today. The senator is speaking to the inspector general of the Department of Defense, Thomas Gimble.


~snip~

CHADWICK: First, there is another report today on the intelligence failures that led the U.S. into the Iraq war. This one is from the Pentagon. It says a former top official there presented misleading reports to President Bush and Vice President Cheney and others. That official is the former undersecretary of defense, Douglas Feith. We'll hear from him in a moment.

Here is Senator Carl Levin, the chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee, which is releasing a declassified version of the report today. The senator is speaking to the inspector general of the Department of Defense, Thomas Gimble.

Senator CARL LEVIN (Democratic, Michigan): Without the knowledge of the intelligence community, we have a alternative intelligence analysis being presented on war or no war issues, whether or not the people who attacked us on 9/11 had a connection to Saddam Hussein.

CHADWICK: Former Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith, thank you for agreeing to come back on DAY TO DAY. And what would be your response to Senator Levin?

Mr. DOUGLAS FEITH (Former Undersecretary Of Defense): Well, what he's saying is wrong and unsupported. The criticism that is being directed now at my former office is because my office was trying to prevent an intelligence failure. We were - we had people in the Pentagon who thought that the CIA's speculative assessments were not of top quality. They were not raising all the questions they should raise and considering all the information they should consider.

And our people criticized the CIA. And they did not present an alternative intelligence analysis. They presented a criticism. And now the inspector general is saying that criticizing the CIA was an intelligence activity that policy people should not have engaged in.

CHADWICK: That's not what he's saying. He's saying you briefed the president and the vice president and you said that there was conclusive evidence that there was an alleged - that there was a meeting between the 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta, and an Iraq spy in Prague. That was doubtful then. It's pretty much discredited now.

Mr. FEITH: No. That's absolutely not true. I mean what you're saying is just - there are about, you know, a dozen factual errors in your question there. It's just not true.

Firstly, I didn't brief - I mean that's part of it - but in the - there were some people from my office and people from elsewhere in the Pentagon who were challenging the CIA's assessment of the Iraq/al-Qaida relationship. And they were raising questions and they were not putting out their own conclusions and analysis. They were challenging the approach that the CIA took, because they believed that the CIA had a theory that ideological opponents, like secular Baathists in the Iraqi government and religious extremists in al-Qaida, could not cooperate for strategic purposes.

And the critics in the Pentagon of the CIA said that the CIA was filtering its own intelligence and ignoring its own intelligence that was inconsistent with the CIA's theory.


~snip~

http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=7309878

Listen: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7309878

[Swamp Rat]

22. Here's a handy chart for you Larisa:

:hi:

[Emit]

25. Good chart. Thanks for posting that.

Whenever I see Feith's, Perle's and Wurmser's names, esp. together, I am reminded of their participation in the "Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000" and their resulting "peace through strength" report, "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm":

Following is a report prepared by The Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies’ "Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000." The main substantive ideas in this paper emerge from a discussion in which prominent opinion makers, including Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser participated. The report, entitled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," is the framework for a series of follow-up reports on strategy.

http://www.irmep.org/Policy_Briefs/3_27_2003_Clean_Break_or_Dirty_War.html

[Emit]

27. oops - wrong place n/t

[Emit]

28. Swamp Rat -- check this out -- an addendum to your chart

IASPS Institute for Advanced Strategic & Political Studies
EPPC Ethics and Public Policy Center
MEF Middle East Forum
AEI American Enterprise Institute
WINEP Washington Institute for Near East Policy

Numbers on linkages indicate the number of persons with affiliations in both of the connected organizations. Only those with at least three members in common are shown.

~snip~

Following are several specific observations on the configuration shown in Figure 1:

Observation 1: Two organizations, Hoover and MEF, are each linked to only one other organization. In both cases, these organizations are not centered in the Washington D.C. area, as are all of the others, nor do they have major branches there. Beyond that, it is striking that 8 of the 30-odd members of the DPB were selected from the ranks of a single think tank, namely the Hoover Institute, located on the Stanford University campus in Palo Alto, California. The MEF is located in Philadelphia.

Observation 2: Based on the linkages of degree 3 or greater, the largest set of organizations all of which are directly linked to one another consists of PNAC, CSP, CLI, JINSA, and DPB. Such a subset of organizations, all directly linked, is referred to as a “clique” in the terminology of mathematical graph theory. These 5 organizations comprise the largest clique among the 14 organizations, based upon degree 3 linkages.

Observation 3. There are 10 direct links among these five organizations. Eight of these links share 6 or more members, one has 5, and only one as few as 4. This clique of 5 organizations thus appears to be quite strongly linked together by the various individuals who are mutually associated with them.

Observation 4: PNAC has the largest number of links (71 in all, including links of degrees 1 and 2 which are not shown in Figure 1) with the remaining organizations (See row 16, Table 6), followed by CSP with 50 and CLI with 49. The two other members of the 5-member clique identified above—DPB and JINSA—follow with 43 linkages each. This is further evidence of the centrality of these organizations within the complete network of 14.

~snip~



from: http://www.opednews.com/toenjes_IraqPolicyWeb_withTables_July19.doc

[Swamp Rat]

29. thanks

:hi:

[Patsy Stone]

23. K&R n/t

[dweller]

24. ...

:kick:

and R!

dp

[133724]

26. This is the executive summary... I'm still wating for the whole document...

[Octafish]

30. Thank you, lala_rawraw!

Everyone should get a copy.

[upi402]

31. 'innapropriate, not illegal'

I'll wait for a second opinion thanks.

If nobody was ever sworn-in for their testimony, I wonder if the FBI was lied to.

[bobthedrummer]

33. KICK