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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 02:00 PM
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The Barack Obama I know.
Edited on Sat Aug-25-07 02:10 PM by ecdab
I have had several people request that I give my impressions of the time I spent with Barack Obama in 90's. It's really not something that I think is all the useful or likely to produce any results on the internet, but I have decided to do it none the less. I see a good deal of negativity on this site regarding various democratic candidates, and I think that is a shame. the democrats have a bounty of good people running for election in 2008, and I have been lucky enough to have been able to spend time with three of them (three if you count Al Gore, which I guess is a bit of a stretch at this point).

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm actually an Al Gore supporter and have worked for John Edwards in the past as well. They are both wonderful people. I could gush for pages about Al Gore (and will if he jumps into the race) and I have nothing but good things to say about the man that John Edwards is.

That said, Barack Obama is a very special man, and it pains me when I see people posting in a less than thoughtful manner about him. I used to teach at the University of Chicago where Senator Obama lectured on Constitutional law. I actually stopped by and listened to him lecture on several occasions because word had spread among some of the faculty of how brilliant a speaker he was. I was impressed. The young man giving the lecture was dazzling, and did he ever have a passion for the Constitution of the United States of America. I've long believed that one of the greatest failings of our politicians is their lack of understanding of that amazing document. I've also long felt that the education system in this country really lets down our young people by not putting enough emphasis on teaching the Constitution. And there was Barack Obama, teaching our young people about the Constitution with fire and passion. I knew he was special at that moment.

It turned out that Barack lived a few blocks away from me in Hyde Park and was very active in the community. He had taken a different route than I had to improve the community. He mainly worked through the churches while I mainly worked through the school but we had projects we worked on together - and Barack was always trying to get my money. But like his take on the Constitution, it was the way that he went about organizing the community that really impressed me.

It was always - always - about being open and honest with the community. He would say over and over, "We have got to do this the right way". The idea of trying to sneak something past the community behind closed doors was unthinkable to him. A community could not take ownership of something they didn't understand or, even worse, know about. He always talked about bringing people together and how there was strength in that and weakness in excluding people. He was, and is, so right about these things.

When Barack first started thinking about making a serious run for the Illinois State Senate his concern wasn't what he would get out of it, or what it would do for him - he was just trying to figure out where he could be to do the most good. And he had his doubts that the State Senate was the right place. He figured it out. But in all seriousness, Barack Obama just wanted to be in the place where he could help other people the most. That's really not normal for people running for elected office.

I left Hyde Park shortly after he was elected and haven't had any personal contact with him since. But I will always admire the person that Barack Obama is.

Barack Obama really is a shining light. He is a wonderful man and a man that understands his limitation and isn't afraid to ask people for help (and he has some great connection to some of the finest minds on just about every topic you can think of - and he isn't afraid to use those connections). He is a true leader in every sense of the word and he would be a wonderful President of the United States of America.

Now as for me, I'm going to return to my non-speaking roll on the topic of Presidential nominees for the Democratic Party, for now at least. I hope people at this web site will start to treat all the Democratic hopefuls with the respect they deserve. There should be a great policy debate going on here - and I see too little of that. There should be people making stirring endorsements of the candidates they favor based on who that candidate is and what they will do, but I see more profanity laced rants about why people don't support this candidate or that candidate. We can choose to be strong and positive – that doesn’t mean differences can not be discussed or different candidates can not be supported, it’s just a question of courtesy. Courtesy should never be in doubt among friends.

Best to you all!




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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 02:02 PM
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1. Thank you.
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 02:09 PM
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2. For the umteenth time. Now you know why Democrats have
such a hard time winning elections. They are not united because they are always fighting each other.
The Republicans get behind their candidate and vote for him/her regardless of their personal opinion.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 02:11 PM
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3. Thanks for sharing!
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 02:16 PM
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4. Let me recommend this
yet another call for positive electioneering. Also, a fine example of how to do it.
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 02:24 PM
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5. Thank you. K&R
:kick:
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 02:27 PM
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6. As an IL voter, I have watched Obama come along
and have liked what I see. He is positive, a big thing in this negative world. Thanks for your insight.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 02:28 PM
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7. Thank you so much.
This is great, well written and your personal experience
with Barack Obama.

I appreciate you sharing this with us.

K&R
;-)
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 02:40 PM
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8. Thank you for sharing this.
It would be ironic if the antidote to the secret-government neocon movement also had a connection with the University of Chicago.

:thumbsup:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 02:44 PM
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9. Let's get one thing straight.
Obama may be a wonderful man. If you say so, I'll believe that he has some good points. My objection to Obama is not personal. It's not about whether he's a good person or not.

It's about his, from my perspective, harmful positions on issues. A person can be well-meaning and sincere without being correct. I don't want a POTUS in office because "people like him." We've already got the guy too many "want to have a beer with." I want a POTUS that will work to move the issues that affect the world in a positive direction. Obama's platform and campaign aren't moving that direction.

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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:28 AM
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42. I agree with you but appreciate the sentiment of the OP.
I'm sure all the Democratic candidates have personal stories like this behind them. We shouldn't be eating our own.
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PADemD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 03:29 AM
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46. He has a love of and respect for our Constitution.
THAT is one of THE most important reasons to vote for him.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 07:38 AM
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48. Exactly.
He also has an understanding of it, something that is very important.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 02:45 PM
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10. One comes away with the same impressions from a distance
Thank you for the confirmation.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 03:31 PM
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11. I have a little second-hand personal story to share about him.
My sister-in-law lives in Chicago and works in a hospital as an insurance expediter. She called Obama's campaign headquarters one day during his run for the Senate with some questions about health care. When someone answered the phone, it was Obama himself. And if that weren't enough to just floor her, he gave her a very good, very thorough answer about his thoughts on health care on the spot. She was very impressed and hasn't forgotten it.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 07:39 PM
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15. that is something special, Ginny
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 03:41 PM
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12. I'm so impressed with Obama's demeanor
He's such a gentleman, and he has such charisma. I certainly will not have a problem supporting him if he wins in the primary. My first time to vote in a Presidential election was in 1956. IMHO the Democratic party has the best qualified group of candidates this election cycle as I can recall; all unique in their own way. Makes me proud to be a lifelong Liberal Democrat.

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :thumbsup: :dem:
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 06:01 PM
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13. K&R
Thanks for taking the time to post. I enjoyed reading it. It is a giant turn off to see so many people bashing other Democrats. It is so refreshing to see such honesty. It was also nice to be reminded that we're talking about some very accomplished people in this race and they deserve our praise more than our derision.

fwiw, I'm also a Gore hold-out.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 07:55 PM
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17. Second that.
n/t
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 09:14 PM
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27. Third that. n/t
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 07:36 PM
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14. I thinik why people wanted you to write something is that people are curious.
Not to influence anyone but, it might help those who have not decided to take something into concideration.
Also, people love first hand accounts. With so much spin and image handlers, ect., you never really know who is real or not and so when someone knows somebody it is just fun to hear what they are like in person.
from what I have read, Edwards is said to be a really nice person and passionate. And people are very struck by Gore and just love him.
All three have such wonderful qualities to them.
thanks for posting this beautifully written post.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 07:48 PM
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16. Thanks for this wonderful vignette.
Edited on Sat Aug-25-07 08:33 PM by AtomicKitten
Your poignant account of your experience with the Senator has breathed new life into my resolve to continue to fight the good fight.

Thank you. :)

On edit: K&R
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 07:58 PM
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18. Yes. I'm sure I want to recommend this thread.
:thumbsup:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:02 PM
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19. My cousin said the same
Her childhood friend lives in Hyde Park and said the same as you. They are exactly as they appear to be, no hidden agendas or false fronts or ulterior motives. Always good to hear.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:13 PM
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20. I really agree that it is awful for the schools not to teach the constitution.
It should be a class. One of those mandatory classes. Not just skim but, really study it and what it means and how it applies to life even now.
Look what we get when the constitution is not understood and revered.
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:13 PM
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53. it was when I went to school in Kentucky: Civics class, 8th grade
every .single.school. in Kentucky. Period. And at one time 1/2 year American Government required for graduation. More options became available to fill those "social studies" requirements as school systems consolidated and the requirement of an American Government class went by the wayside.

Damn Shame. I think the great wave of outrage of the 1960's may have been partially fuelled by the fact that we were all still getting some form of civics or government class in jr high or high school . It does make a difference. Man when I was 13 I couldn't WAIT to vote, and back then you could vote at age 18 in Kentucky, one of only 2 states with under 21 voting age at that time.

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Grandrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:22 PM
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21. Thank you for sharing! (K&R)
Bravo for a wonderful and thought provoking piece!:applause: :kick:
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:49 PM
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22. Thank you very much
:)

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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:55 PM
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23. I appreciate your posting this
I'm still trying to get a handle on him (as well as others), and this helps to fill in details. :toast:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:59 PM
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24. Thank you, thank you for sharing that.
:hi:

Hekate

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 09:08 PM
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25. Great o.p. It reinforced everything I knew about OBAMA *and* all Dems
Every one of our Dems is better, smarter, more idealistic, more socially beneficent, more respectful ... more anything than any Rethug, as can be emphasized by the ones in the 2nd row, who SHOULD have defeated their Rethug opponents.

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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 09:11 PM
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26. Thank you!
A friend told me the other day that Obama was too bright and honest and empathic to be elected president. It left me scratching my head. Thanks for telling your personal experience's with Obama and for your polite scolding of those of us who get too damn negative at times on this site.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 09:23 PM
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28. As a Gore enthusiast, I have also seen value in the charisma of Barack
Obama. I have seen him speak twice and have been impressed with his passion and ability. I have a lot of respect for this young American and wish him luck as I do all our very fine slate of candidates. When we stack ours up against the GOPers candidates, it is like a bonanza for the good guys. We are lucky, y'all--------even if Al does not run.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 09:45 PM
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29. Thank you for sharing your insight!
K&R

I hope everyone reads this - to learn more about the senator and to gain a little wisdom from your last paragraph as well!
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toughboy Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 09:53 PM
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30. Sen. Coburn is a very dangerous religious fanatic who Obama
Edited on Sat Aug-25-07 09:55 PM by toughboy
mentioned he would work with - "he's a friend" - if elected President. I've had enough of of compromising with the destructive elements of the few, but very influential people who say they represent the "faith-based" community. There's is a big difference between appeasement and being bi-partisan. I'm in no mood to appease anyone at this point. Several current leaders should be impeached, or in jail. They have harmed or seriously hurt many Americans based on their deeply held "religious" beliefs. That would mean a no vote for Obama under any circumstances at this point. It's great that certain Americans can live in the bubble of academic discussion of issues with their ideological opposites or extremes. It's killing the average American on the streets and around the world.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 10:07 PM
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32. Welcome to DU
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:40 AM
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43. Obama has worked with him already.
to fight no-bid Katrina contracts, for example.

Personally, I think half the people in Washington deserve to be in jail... but "deserves got nothin' to do with it". If Obama refused to work with criminals or bigots, there wouldn't be a lot of people left for him to work with.
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toughboy Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:27 PM
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52. They happen to be in the same Senate
Coburn was being less than whacked out of his mind. Katrina? Lord, Give me strength.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 09:54 PM
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31. K&R
It's always a pleasure to hear from someone with personal knowledge. Thanks for posting.
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Bryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 10:16 PM
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33. Thank you for posting this!
On DU, we get entangled in candidate wars and howl and scream over whatever stupid thing a campaign said this week (and rightfully so, the candidates are all full-grown and can handle it), but it is also useful to get a sense of how they behave when cameras aren't on them. Thank you for your recollections.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 11:26 PM
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34. and a most heart-felt welcome to DU...
thank you.

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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 11:36 PM
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35. THANK YOU!
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Colorado Progressive Donating Member (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 11:40 PM
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36. Wonderful, reaffirms how I felt. Thanks for posting! nt
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purduejake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 11:51 PM
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37. So he worked through the churches?
No wonder why he's willing to sell out the constitutional rights of gays and wants to establish a "separate but equal" establishment of civil unions for them. As far as I'm concerned, anybody who works through the churches is suspect because I'm tired of a president who acts upon what he hears in his head and claims is God.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:08 AM
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38. Viva Obama! Great post!
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:38 AM
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39. Barack Obama is the real deal.
Those of you who remember JFK will experience a strange deja vu re Mr. Obama.

He exhibits good understanding of how things are. He also displays excellent judgement.

I will take good judgement over experience any time.

Besides, how much experience did W have before moving into the White House? Six years as governor of a state whose legislature meets every two years? Give me a break.

W is a sociopath and the rethugs that are running are marginal human beings, with the exception od Ron Paul. Obama is sane and displays the courage, judgement, and patience that the U.S. needs to keep from fracturing.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:01 AM
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40. K&R for a great post!
I would love to see more posts like this, and less attack posts here. It doesn't look like that's going to happen anytime soon, and it's something that's made me spend much less time here than I used to.

I don't understand why people don't spend their time building up their candidates, rather than attacking the other candidates - it's always nice to learn more about a candidate, in a positive way like this, rather than the grasping-at-straws attack posts that abound on DU.

Thanks for posting this - it was a pleasure to read!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:20 AM
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41. Thanks. I'm an Edwards supporter, but I like Obama very much.
If he is the candidate, he will have my full support. I like the fact that he is truly dedicated to support the Constitution. That is so reassuring.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:42 AM
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44. Obama is awesome.
The biggest enemy to a corrupt politician is a politician with integrity.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 03:29 AM
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45. I'm glad this post got the attention it deserved...
A lot of the time, more positive ones simply don't.

I think all of our candidates bring something unique and important to the table. I happen to disagree with a lot of Clinton's positions on the issues, and Obama's certainty that he can work with the very same people who've helped drag our country into the gutter where it now is without falling prey to their very sharp knives concerns me too. They have, in fact, done a lot of evil, and, near as I can tell, very few of them have repudiated any of that evil and are likely to continue to do it for the foreseeable future.

But I DO think Obama's a good man. So was/is Jimmy Carter. They did not treat him kindly either.

I really don't think we'll have much luck reforming Washington until these people are run out of town--either defeated or, preferably, indicted, tried, and sentenced to prison for their crimes.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:05 AM
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47. Great Post!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 08:11 AM
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49. "Courtesy should never be in doubt among friends." Excellent message.
To be completely ignored by the HillaryHaters, but excellent nonetheless.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:23 PM
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55. Yeah, you're right..
hillary sucks.
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GenDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:00 AM
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50. ....and another kick and recommend for you
:kick:
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:42 PM
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51. Best thing I've read in awhile on DU.
Just another reason for me to like and support Obama.
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:16 PM
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54. when he spoke @ the last Dem conv, I said: Our first minority President : right there.
Just a matter of time. I was a bit surprised he took the plunge this time around, I thought he might season himself in the Senate for a while, but I am here to tell you if he is the nominee I will be out there wearing his T shirt, sporting his bumper sticker and knocking on doors.

I do not have and have never had any doubt about his electability or capability for the office.
ditto John Edwards, ditto Hilary Clinton.

WE MAY HAVE THE BEST CROP OF DECLARED CANDIDATES FOR THIS OFFICE SINCE 1960.

This was a very fine post, and I am glad to see it, ecdab
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