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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:04 PM
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Canada, US and Mexican officials held secretive meeting on Integration

Canadian, U.S. and Mexican officials held secretive meeting on integration

Patterson, CanWest News Service; Ottawa Citizen

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=0484146c-2390-47e7-8930-f537758ee858&k=46864&p=2


- Canadian, U.S. and Mexican politicians discussed using "stealth" to overcome public resistance to the integration of the three countries at a confidential meeting last year, according to documents just released under U.S. Freedom of Information laws.


Canadian, U.S. and Mexican officials held secretive meeting on integration
Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day refused to reveal the contents of his talk on integration with Mexico and the U.S.


Top military brass, corporate executives and diplomats also attended the meeting in Banff, Alta., where participants discussed everything from the harmonization of food and drug standards, to common immigration policies, and the pooling of energy resources.

The secret guest list of the North American Forum included then-U.S. secretary of defence Donald Rumsfeld, Canadian Chief of Defence Staff Gen. Rick Hillier, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day, Pengrowth Corp. CEO James Kinnear and Lockheed Martin executive Ron Covais.

Presentation outlines for the forum acknowledge that the concept of North American integration - which some call a "North American Union" - is unpopular, and note that it might be tough to sell as a concept.

"While a vision is appealing, working on the infrastructure might yield more benefit and bring more people on board ('evolution by stealth')," the notes said.

"Evolution by stealth" means using regulatory changes, such as food- and drug-safety benchmarks, which don't require parliamentary approval, to lay the infrastructure for North American integration. This allows for change with little or no public debate, critics say.

Media were excluded from the September forum, and Day, who gave a speech at the event, declined to reveal the contents of his talk.

"It was meant as a private meeting," said Melisa Leclerc, a spokeswoman from Day's office, although she conceded he attended "in his capacity as minister for public security."

"It is not encouraging to see the phrase 'evolution by stealth' in reference to important policy debates such as North American integration," said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, a Washington-based conservative watchdog group that obtained the documents last week.

But, former finance minister John Manley, who attended the meeting, said the forum was "not part of a nefarious plan to yield sovereignty to the U.S. .... It was just some informed private citizens and government officials having a conversation" on how best to co-operate to ensure their citizens enjoyed a safe and prosperous future.

In fact, he said, Canada comes out stronger than ever from such meetings, which force "some senior American officials to think about Canada for a few days."

However, Maude Barlow of the Council of Canadians said the reference to stealth is "a very telling and important statement."

Many of the politicians who attended the forum have been pursuing "integration by stealth" for the past two years, she said, pointing to a little-known but top-priority agreement called the Security and Prosperity Partnership.

The accord, kickstarted by U.S. President George W. Bush, then-prime minister Paul Martin and former Mexican president Vicente Fox at a 2005 meeting in Waco, Texas, is designed to streamline everything from food and drug safety standards to counter-terrorism measures.

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oldtimecanuk Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:13 PM
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1. If this were to happen in the proposed fashior...
I think there would be one hell of a lot of Politicians looking for new jobs in all 3 countries.... In Canada for instance, we have a minority Government so there would be hell to pay big time.

Below is a link for what is going on:

http://www.spp.gov/

ww
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:16 PM
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2. When the government circumvents the will of its people...........
Edited on Fri Feb-09-07 12:17 PM by Double T
it is time for THEIR replacement. The North American Union reeks of the stench of corporate america and wall street.
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oldtimecanuk Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:17 PM
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3. I don't see this getting off the ground at this point...
Especially since two of the players are no longer even envolved ie: Foxe and Martin..... But one never knows, given the history of GWB!

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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:28 PM
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4. This is all tied to the power of signing secret Executive Orders by the President and...
the promotion of 'unitary theory' of the Executive Branch.

There have been leaks of what is going on for years, but so far no government official will touch this issue. They know the people in the US and Canada will not accept what they are planning to do.

However, the prospect of corporate dominance of government, cheap labor, etc. is just too appealing.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:35 PM
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6. That's why I would assume they are trying to incorporate the military
Without the military they could not do it.

Perhaps this is where all the mysterious vanishing money is going.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:34 PM
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5. America wouldn't exist today without this process
No state would.
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