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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 11:42 AM
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Harper's: Meet Giuliani’s Advisors: AIPAC’s Dream Team
Meet Giuliani’s Advisors: AIPAC’s Dream Team

By Ken Silverstein
August 27, 2007


“The Republican Party is in desperate straits. How else to explain that Rudy Giuliani–a former mayor with no foreign policy experience–is the Republican front-runner, largely based on his supposed foreign policy expertise?”

So opens an amusing critique penned by conservative writer Doug Bandow about Giuliani’s recent essay in Foreign Affairs.

.....

Let’s take just one of Giuliani’s insights—“For 15 years, the de facto policy of both Republicans and Democrats has been to ask the U.S. military to do increasingly more with increasingly less. The idea of a post-Cold War ‘peace dividend’ was a serious mistake—the product of wishful thinking and the opposite of true realism.”

Bandow’s rejoinder:

In an essay filled with silly nonsense, this statement stands out as being uniquely stupid. Between 1980 and 2000 the Soviet Union disintegrated, the Warsaw Pact disbanded, Maoism disappeared from China, the former Soviet republics and Eastern European satellites gravitated towards America and Europe, and Vietnam opened to the West. As a result, the United States found itself allied with every major industrialized state as well as many former communist countries while, as Colin Powell famously put it, America’s enemies were down to Cuba and North Korea. In this new world, Giuliani believes that the U.S. shouldn’t have reduced military spending even a little?



It’s easy to see where Giuliani gets his ideas on foreign policy, given the team of foreign policy advisors he announced last month Norman Podhoretz’s name attracted the most attention when the list was announced, and with good reason–take a look at this video (posted by Andrew Sullivan), for example, in which Podhoretz portrays a military attack on Iran as not only the best option but the only option.

There are a number of other notable hardliners advising Giuliani. Charles Hill of the Hoover Institution, the campaign’s chief advisor, joined a number of leading neo-conservatives in signing a September 20, 2001 letter to President Bush that said that even if Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks, “any strategy aiming at the eradication of terrorism and its sponsors must include a determined effort to remove from power in Iraq. Failure to undertake such an effort will constitute an early and perhaps decisive surrender in the war on international terrorism.”

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There’s also Martin Kramer, who spent 25 years at Tel Aviv University and whose Middle East policy can basically be summarized as “What’s Good for Israel,” and former Senator Robert Kasten of Wisconsin, whose career was best known for his loopy attacks on the United Nations and for being arrested for drunk driving after running a red light and driving down the wrong side of the road.

I asked Augustus Richard Norton of Boston University, an expert adviser to the Iraq Study Group, for his take on Giuliani’s crew. He dubbed the group “AIPAC’s Dream Team.”


“What I find fascinating,” he said, “is how skewed this team seems to be in terms of the regional focus. Most of the members are well known as Israel advocates. There is no real expertise on Africa, Asia, Latin America, or much of Europe.”
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 11:54 AM
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1. He wants the Jewish vote. He won't get it.
Israel isn't a bit safer with an inflamed Middle East.

But thanks for another AIPAC=Satan story. It is, of course, the only lobby that has any effect upon Congress. All the others can just go home.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:12 PM
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3. Every time you read something about AIPAC or Israel...
Edited on Tue Aug-28-07 12:12 PM by Mr_Jefferson_24
...that you don't like you immediately spew ridiculous and extreme exaggerations about either the poster, the content of the post, or both.

This is a much often used tactic of those who seek to suppress truth.
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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:38 PM
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9. The same tactics used by AIPAC!!! How ironic!
nm
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:24 PM
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6. I know people
that are both Jewish and Guiliani supporters. I guess they don't count? Of course, I know more that are democrats but the vote will most likely be split like everyone else.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:51 PM
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11. Also
I don't think AIPAC represents the Jewish vote.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 01:11 PM
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17. I agree -- and AIPAC really gets pissed when people...
Edited on Tue Aug-28-07 01:12 PM by Mr_Jefferson_24
... particularly members of the Jewish community, point this out.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 04:32 PM
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19. No; Israel is not safer with an inflamed Middle East
And no one would be safer with Giuliani as president - please don't elect him!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:01 PM
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2. Good to know our foreign policy will be managed according
to the best interests of ANOTHER country, should Roody get elected. Scary. I bet he'll put Holy Joe in his cabinet somewheres.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:16 PM
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4. I think this story is an important
glad it's posted. I think the influence of AIPAC should be discussed, but I hate the shit about LIEberman being more loyal to Israel than to the US.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:20 PM
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5. Then you might not like these poll results either...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1341203

Please don't forget to cast your vote if you haven't already. Thank you.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:36 PM
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7. cute little poll.
Now let me make a couple of things clear: I despise Lieberman. I think he's a war happy little toad- not unlike say, Sam Nunn, or numerous others who maintain the same sort of policies.

I do not think accusing him, as you do, with your cutsy little code language and polls, of being loyal to Israel and not the U.S., has any evidence to back it up, beyond the fact that he's Jewish. And I think that's ugly shit.

So no thanks, you can keep your little poll, which just skirts the acceptale on DU- as you know.

Thank you.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 01:07 PM
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13. I don't believe it's really the poll you dislike at all -- it's the results...
... based of this sample of respondents, some 74% of your fellow DUers don't believe Lieberman would or does hesitate to knowingly take or pursue action(s) contrary to the interests of the U.S. And in your frustration with these poll results, you can think of nothing but to suggest that this subset of the DU community has come to this conclusion because "he's Jewish."

You are aware that there are quite a number of reps in both the House and Senate who happen to be members of the Jewish community, right? Is it your contention then, that we would see similar results if I ran this same poll on, say, Senator Russ Feingold?

Your implicit suggestion that these poll results are indicative of racism on the part of myself and 74% of your fellow DUers is the "ugly shit" here, Cali, not my poll or it's results.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 06:27 PM
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22. Oh puleez
Let's look at it in another light, if Senator Lieberman's name was Senator Flannigan, say, and he had exactly the same stance, you wouldn't be suggesting that his loyalty lies with Israel, not the the U.S.

Let me repeat: It's an ugly canard. And sorry, I'm not accusing you or others of racism, just ignorance.

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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:14 PM
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23. His actions, not ethnicity, are what raise questions about...
...whose interests he really serves. "Ugly canard" is simply what you choose to call the raising of a question you'd rather not have raised. If you read the 2nd poll question then you know there was no mention of Israel nor did I use the word loyalty. I only asked if people thought Lieberman honestly believed he was acting in the best interests of the U.S. concerning his amendment, and 74% of respondents didn't think so.

And sorry, when you claim that someone of a different ethnicity, with the same partisan record, tirelessly spewing the same AIPAC "we gotta get Iran, and Syria" war mongering rhetoric, would not be subject to these same questions, then you ARE implicitly suggesting racism.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 01:05 PM
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12. I Tried Voting Yes and No
Edited on Tue Aug-28-07 01:07 PM by Megahurtz
in your poll but I am blocked. There is no reply button for me at the bottom of your post, and when I try to send the vote message comes up that says:

>>>"You cannot vote
Sorry, only users who were already registered before the poll was started may vote. If you have any questions, please contact the site administrator."<<<

Hmmmmmm.....I've been registered since 2004 so that's odd....

I wonder if this has happened to anyone else that tried to vote? :shrug:


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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 01:09 PM
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15. I can't explain that -- you should be able to vote. nt.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 01:10 PM
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16. Yes.
Just tried it and I've been here since 2003.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 04:30 PM
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18. One can't vote on this; it's archived.
I doubt that it's a very representative poll anyway.

Lieberman is just up Bush's rear end, like our Tony Blair and most of his ministers (jury is still out on his successor Brown). It's perfectly possible to be a Bush-loving hawk, even in a supposedly liberal party, without its meaning that one is more loyal to another country. I thought liberals were above these sorts of dual-loyalty accusations. Leave it to the likes of British right-winger Norman Tebbit, with his 'cricket test' for British Asians.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:41 PM
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10. I bet he picks holy joe as his running mate
and don't think that AIPAC only influences repukes. They voiced support for clinton earlier this year.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 04:33 PM
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20. Bet he doesn't - he's already seen as too socially liberal. He'll have to pick a fundie
And what other lobbies influence Democrats and Republicans? I expect there are loads.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 05:42 PM
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21. not any that directly influence foreign policy
to such a warped degree. ON TO IRAN!!!!!! :nuke:
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:38 PM
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8. I Suspected That
the U.S. attacking Iraq is just what Israel wanted.
Well woohoo :woohoo: that sure makes me feel so much better. :sarcasm:

:puke:

I guess they too now have blood on their hands.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 01:07 PM
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14. Are they dreamier then hilldogs team?
:shrug:
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