Refute this freeper post

[Rocknrule]

A little chestnut I saw on Myspace.

"or your viewing pleasure, here are ten differences between what liberals and conservatives believe. Read it and weep, Libs!

10) Conservatives believe that individual Americans have a right to defend themselves and their families with guns and that right cannot be taken away by any method short of a Constitutional Amendment, which conservatives would oppose. Liberals believe by taking arms away from law abiding citizens, they can prevent criminals, who aren't going to abide by gun control laws, from using guns in the commission of crimes.


9) Conservatives believe that we should live in a color blind society where every individual is judged on the content of his character and the merits of his actions. On the other hand, liberals believe that it's ok to discriminate based on race as long as it primarily benefits minority groups.


8) Conservatives are capitalists and believe that entrepreneurs who amass great wealth through their own efforts are good for the country and shouldn't be punished for being successful. Liberals are socialists who view successful business owners as people who cheated the system somehow or got lucky. That's why they don't respect high achievers and see them as little more than piggy banks for their programs.


7) Conservatives believe that abortion ends the life of an innocent child and since we believe that infanticide is wrong, we oppose abortion. Most liberals, despite what they'll tell you, believe that abortion ends the life of an innocent child, but they prefer killing the baby to inconveniencing the mother.


6) Conservatives believe in confronting and defeating enemies of the United States before they can harm American citizens. Liberals believe in using law enforcement measures to deal with terrorism, which means that they feel we should allow terrorists to train, plan, and actually attempt to kill Americans before we try to arrest them -- as if you can just send the police around to pick up a terrorist mastermind hiding in Iran or the wilds of Pakistan.


5) Conservatives, but not necessarily Republicans (which is unfortunate), believe it's vitally important to the future of the country to reduce the size of government, keep taxes low, balance the budget, and get this country out of debt. Liberals, and Democrats for that matter, believe in big government, high taxes, and they have never met a new spending program they didn't like, whether we will have to go into debt to pay for it or not.


4) Conservatives believe that government, by its very nature, tends to be inefficient, incompetent, wasteful, and power hungry. That's why we believe that the government that governs least, governs best. Liberals think that the solution to every problem is another government program. Even when those new programs create new problems, often worse than the ones that were being fixed in the first place, the solution is always....you guessed it, another government program.

2) Conservatives, most of them anyway, believe in God and think that the Constitution has been twisted by liberal judges to illegitimately try to purge Christianity from the public square. We also believe, most of us anyway, that this country has been successful in large part because it is a good, Christian nation and if our country ever turns away from the Lord, it will cease to prosper. Liberals, most of them anyway, are hostile to Christianity. That's why, whether you're talking about a school play at Christmas time, a judge putting the Ten Commandments on the wall of his court, or a store employee saying "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays," liberals are dedicated to driving reminders of Christianity from polite society.


1) Conservatives believe in pursuing policies because they're pragmatic and because they work. Liberals believe in pursuing policies because they're "nice" and make them feel good. Whether the policies they're advocating actually work or not is of secondary importance to them."

And my response:
Correction:

10) Conservatives believe that all Americans not only have the right to pack heat but should be automatically issued a free assault rifle at age 3. Liberals believe that reasonable gun control laws should be in place to make sure only responsible law-abiding citizens can access guns.


9) Liberals believe that we should live in a color blind society where every individual is judged on the content of his character and the merits of his actions. On the other hand, conservatives believe that if white people are not the dominant race like in the "good old days," they are being persecuted.


8) Conservatives have a reverse Robin Hood mentality and believe that the rich deserve money more than the poor. Liberals believe in providing help to the less fortunate.


7) Conservatives believe that women are property and should serve no purpose other than to serve men and crank out future Marines. Also, they believe in blaming the victims in cases of rape. Liberals believe that women are entitled to do what the please with their bodies and oppose abortion but support the right for women to have it as an option. They still believe that abortion should only be a last result and is a decision to be taken seriously.


6) Conservatives believe in solving problems by shooting or blowing them up. Conservatives respond to terrorists threats by going postal on everyone; in particular, countries that did not attack us in the 1st place. Liberals believe in actually focusing on the people who attacked us in the 1st place and not making our situation worse by telling the rest of the world to fuck off.


5) Conservatives, despite claiming to be for smaller government, want to spy on people, listen in on phone conversations, and control what people do in the bedroom. Liberals do not believe in dictating how people choose to live their private lives.


4) See above

3) Conservatives are so uneducated and Neanderthal-minded that they forgot #3 in the original post

2) Conservatives, most of them anyway, at least claim to believe in God and think that Christianity is the only religion that should be legal to practice in America. Whenever Christians don't get their way, they are being persecuted, accorsing to conservatives. Also, conservatives believe that George Bush is the second Son of God and rules by divine right. Liberals, most of them anyway, are hostile to people who try to force their beliefs on others. That's why, whether you're talking about a school play at Christmas time, a judge putting the Ten Commandments on the wall of his court, or a store employee saying "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays," liberals are dedicated to making sure that Christians do not have a monopoly on the right to express their beliefs.


1) Liberals believe in pursuing policies because they're pragmatic and because they work. Conservatives believe in pursuing policies because they appeal to their constituents' hatred of gays, blacks, women, Jews, non-Christians, and anyone else not exactly like them.

[AnotherGreenWorld]

1. Why even bother?

You're not going to convince him/her.

[havocmom]

4. I'm curious why a DUer would waste bandwidth on giving drivel more audience

Why do freepers' work for them? Besides being pointless to argue with such nonsense, why would a DUer even post it so it gets more viewers?

:think:

[AnotherGreenWorld]

9. The writing style and sentence structure look remarkably similar

in the original Freeper post and the OP's reply...

[havocmom]

15. AH, I thought it was just me

Shall I bake another batch of cookies? ;)

[BlooInBloo]

24. If you have any extras, I'd like one, please.

[hwmnbn]

2. Excellent responses!....

You nailed their talking points and did it gracefully.

Kudos to you!

[HughMoran]

3. Answer: 1-10 You're a Freeper, therefor you are stupid, ignorant and evil

Whew, that was easy. Don't you just love it when they can cut-and-paste someone else's lies.

[FormerDittoHead]

5. I'd LOVE to have the time to go through this list - maybe tomorrow... n/t

Thanks for posting this. It's a good snapshot of their BS...

[liberal N proud]

6. Your responses are pretty good by themselves

[angrycarpenter]

7. missing #3

3. conservatives like to elect conservative leaders who appoint conservative judges to make the law serve conservative ideals. Liberals elect leaders who make laws that serve just about everybody, even the people no one likes.

[sam sarrha]

8. freepers are just Flying Monkeys.. mindless pathetic Yahoo butt lickers

pray for them

[thegreatcause2]

10. george bush the second son of god

LOL

[rpannier]

11. a judge putting the Ten Commandments on the wall of his court

Sorry...not his court.

No judge owns a court. He is a public servant and the court belongs to the people of the region, be it a city, county, state or the nation.

[Faygo Kid]

12. Nothing but straw man arguments. Why bother with these "liberals believe. . ." lies.

This guy has no friggin' clue what liberals believe, huddling like Gollum in the warped cave he lives in listening only to Rush Limbaugh. This is no "debate;" each and every one of his sick characterizations of what I believe is not only wrong, but a manifestation of the extreme hatred with which he views those who disagree with him. This is indeed warped Rush Limbaugh stuff. Just fight these guys. Don't hate them, just stop them. And don't accord them the honor of giving these lies any credibility by refuting them.

[TheUniverse]

17. Ok I will try.

"10) Conservatives believe that individual Americans have a right to defend themselves and their families with guns and that right cannot be taken away by any method short of a Constitutional Amendment, which conservatives would oppose. Liberals believe by taking arms away from law abiding citizens, they can prevent criminals, who aren't going to abide by gun control laws, from using guns in the commission of crimes. "


I believe in individual liberties and I believe in gun rights. Not all liberals are "gun grabbers" Look at Howard Dean, he has an A rating from the NRA.


9) Conservatives believe that we should live in a color blind society where every individual is judged on the content of his character and the merits of his actions. On the other hand, liberals believe that it's ok to discriminate based on race as long as it primarily benefits minority groups.

Notice how most red states are former slave states. Remember how David Duke won most of the republican vote when he ran for governor. Notice how the republican field is all white men? I rest my case.

8.8) Conservatives are capitalists and believe that entrepreneurs who amass great wealth through their own efforts are good for the country and shouldn't be punished for being successful. Liberals are socialists who view successful business owners as people who cheated the system somehow or got lucky. That's why they don't respect high achievers and see them as little more than piggy banks for their programs.

Wrong. Liberals believe corporations should play by the same rules as everyone. Paying taxes is not punishment. Its giving back to the community that made you so successful. I respect high achievers, but I think they should pay their taxes just like anyone else.


7) Conservatives believe that abortion ends the life of an innocent child and since we believe that infanticide is wrong, we oppose abortion. Most liberals, despite what they'll tell you, believe that abortion ends the life of an innocent child, but they prefer killing the baby to inconveniencing the mother.

Most abortions are done in the embryo stage. That is before the baby has a brain or a nervous system. I don't think the government has any business telling a women what to do then. A woman is more important than embryo. I understand restrictions at later stages but in the 1st trimester, their should be no question.

6) Conservatives believe in confronting and defeating enemies of the United States before they can harm American citizens. Liberals believe in using law enforcement measures to deal with terrorism, which means that they feel we should allow terrorists to train, plan, and actually attempt to kill Americans before we try to arrest them -- as if you can just send the police around to pick up a terrorist mastermind hiding in Iran or the wilds of Pakistan.

Well this tactic "of defeating enemies before they harm us" has made more enemies than before. Look at Iraq, Its now Al Quada paradise.


5) Conservatives, but not necessarily Republicans (which is unfortunate), believe it's vitally important to the future of the country to reduce the size of government, keep taxes low, balance the budget, and get this country out of debt. Liberals, and Democrats for that matter, believe in big government, high taxes, and they have never met a new spending program they didn't like, whether we will have to go into debt to pay for it or not.

LOL at the not necessarily republicans. No government needs to better spend its money. Instead of spending money on unneeded wars and bridges to nowhere, lets spend it on schools and health care. There is no excuse for 40 million uninsured on the wealthiest country in the world.


4) Conservatives believe that government, by its very nature, tends to be inefficient, incompetent, wasteful, and power hungry. That's why we believe that the government that governs least, governs best. Liberals think that the solution to every problem is another government program. Even when those new programs create new problems, often worse than the ones that were being fixed in the first place, the solution is always....you guessed it, another government program.

Government is inefficient at some stuff, but needed in other areas. It was needed to help stop segregation, and it is needed for health care. The countries with the best health care all have government run programs.

3. Where is 3?

2.2) Conservatives, most of them anyway, believe in God and think that the Constitution has been twisted by liberal judges to illegitimately try to purge Christianity from the public square. We also believe, most of us anyway, that this country has been successful in large part because it is a good, Christian nation and if our country ever turns away from the Lord, it will cease to prosper. Liberals, most of them anyway, are hostile to Christianity. That's why, whether you're talking about a school play at Christmas time, a judge putting the Ten Commandments on the wall of his court, or a store employee saying "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays," liberals are dedicated to driving reminders of Christianity from polite society.

Whether a store wants to say "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays" is their choice. What's the big deal? Why was Bill O'reilly boycotting stores that said happy holidays? And about the 10 commandments, can most republicans even recite them? Or do they just want to force them on us while they follow their own rules? The constitution doesn't mention God anywhere, but the 1st amendment does say congress can't make a law respecting the establishment of religion.

1) Conservatives believe in pursuing policies because they're pragmatic and because they work. Liberals believe in pursuing policies because they're "nice" and make them feel good. Whether the policies they're advocating actually work or not is of secondary importance to them."



See Iraq. See the fair tax. See Republicans health care and social security plans. enough said.

[stop the bleeding]

19. Welcome to DU TheUniverse - those are some well thought out

responses. Hope you have fun here :hi:

[TheUniverse]

20. Thanks, I tried hard!!

[Rick Myers]

13. Just typical Protest Warrior crap...

Some 19 year old kid who thinks he's hard core, but he's really just a little sissy. I've met a few of these wimps, and they are just sad...

[Ilsa]

14. Freeper baby machines don't give birth to Marines. They give birth to chickenhawks.nt

[treestar]

16. ...

10) Conservatives believe that individual Americans have a right to defend themselves and their families with guns and that right cannot be taken away by any method short of a Constitutional Amendment, which conservatives would oppose. Liberals believe by taking arms away from law abiding citizens, they can prevent criminals, who aren't going to abide by gun control laws, from using guns in the commission of crimes.

Reasonable regulations regarding registering guns is not depriving you of a right to defend yourself.

9) Conservatives believe that we should live in a color blind society where every individual is judged on the content of his character and the merits of his actions. On the other hand, liberals believe that it's ok to discriminate based on race as long as it primarily benefits minority groups.

Conservatives only pretend not to be color blind.


8) Conservatives are capitalists and believe that entrepreneurs who amass great wealth through their own efforts are good for the country and shouldn't be punished for being successful. Liberals are socialists who view successful business owners as people who cheated the system somehow or got lucky. That's why they don't respect high achievers and see them as little more than piggy banks for their programs.

The current system is not capitlistic or entrepreneurial. It does reward those who "know somebody" or get lucky.

7) Conservatives believe that abortion ends the life of an innocent child and since we believe that infanticide is wrong, we oppose abortion. Most liberals, despite what they'll tell you, believe that abortion ends the life of an innocent child, but they prefer killing the baby to inconveniencing the mother.

Inconvenience is not a good term here. The partriarcal society has created the conditions that make motherhood undesirable for single or poor women.

6) Conservatives believe in confronting and defeating enemies of the United States before they can harm American citizens. Liberals believe in using law enforcement measures to deal with terrorism, which means that they feel we should allow terrorists to train, plan, and actually attempt to kill Americans before we try to arrest them -- as if you can just send the police around to pick up a terrorist mastermind hiding in Iran or the wilds of Pakistan.

Yep - that's the risk we take to keep our freedom. Freedom cannot be traded for security. Any attempt to do so dces not result in more security. When they've caught terrorists, it has been by law enforcement methods.

5) Conservatives, but not necessarily Republicans (which is unfortunate), believe it's vitally important to the future of the country to reduce the size of government, keep taxes low, balance the budget, and get this country out of debt. Liberals, and Democrats for that matter, believe in big government, high taxes, and they have never met a new spending program they didn't like, whether we will have to go into debt to pay for it or not.

GMAB! Tax and spend is at least honest. Borrow and spend leaves us in debt. Conservatives never met a military spending program they didn't like, no matter how wasteful, yet they begrudge the relatively inexpensive help to the poor.

4) Conservatives believe that government, by its very nature, tends to be inefficient, incompetent, wasteful, and power hungry. That's why we believe that the government that governs least, governs best. Liberals think that the solution to every problem is another government program. Even when those new programs create new problems, often worse than the ones that were being fixed in the first place, the solution is always....you guessed it, another government program.

As long as it is democratic and the will of the people, a government program is society's recognition that a problem is overwhelming.

2) Conservatives, most of them anyway, believe in God and think that the Constitution has been twisted by liberal judges to illegitimately try to purge Christianity from the public square. We also believe, most of us anyway, that this country has been successful in large part because it is a good, Christian nation and if our country ever turns away from the Lord, it will cease to prosper. Liberals, most of them anyway, are hostile to Christianity. That's why, whether you're talking about a school play at Christmas time, a judge putting the Ten Commandments on the wall of his court, or a store employee saying "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays," liberals are dedicated to driving reminders of Christianity from polite society.

Some liberals are Christians. Wanting to get religion out of government is not "purging Christianity from the public square." The Christians have freedom of speech like anyone else. Telling them they can't dominate or control is not purging them from the public square. They get their say - in fact, they have an advantage in having their say.

1) Conservatives believe in pursuing policies because they're pragmatic and because they work. Liberals believe in pursuing policies because they're "nice" and make them feel good. Whether the policies they're advocating actually work or not is of secondary importance to them."

This is nonsensical. It only "doesn't work" because the conservatives don't want it too.

[Hissyspit]

18. There have been several excellent point-by-point refutations of this stereotyping garbage

posted on DU over the years - I think one of them was by NanceGreggs. Sorry I don't have any links, but I'm not going to waste my time.

[jmowreader]

21. My response to number 6

Conservatives believe in going to war against terrorists, which doesn't...well, WORK...because the more of Americans' tax dollars you spend on useless wars, the less you'll have for things like welfare. In reality, the more tax dollars you spend on useless wars, the less you have to spend on things like infrastructure. Liberals believe in approaching terrorism as a law enforcement problem because it actually works. Ask Ulrike Meinhof or Mario Moretti.

[John Kerry VonErich]

22. #3

In case you need it, I figured it looked familliar. If you found it on MySpace, he must've copied it from this link

http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnHawkins/2007/04/27/10_differences_between_conservatives_and_liberals?page=full&comments=true

"3) Conservatives are patriotic, believe that America is a great nation, and are primarily interested in looking out for the good of the country. That's why we believe in "American exceptionalism" and "America first." Liberals are internationalists who are more concerned about what Europeans think of us and staying in the good graces of the corrupt bureaucrats who control the UN than looking out for the best interests of this nation."

[benEzra]

23. #10...most non-freepers aren't afraid of lawful gun ownership.

10) Conservatives believe that individual Americans have a right to defend themselves and their families with guns and that right cannot be taken away by any method short of a Constitutional Amendment, which conservatives would oppose. Liberals believe by taking arms away from law abiding citizens, they can prevent criminals, who aren't going to abide by gun control laws, from using guns in the commission of crimes.

Check out the percentage of responding DU'ers who own guns. FWIW, half of U.S. gun owners are Dems and indies.

This DU'er owns this one.



(No, that's not an AK-47; it's a non-automatic civilian carbine, a Romanian SAR-1.)

Contrary to popular belief, gun-ban proponents are not necessarily representative of the party at large...

And to freepers who don't think DU'ers can shoot...



Compact 9mm (S&W Ladysmith), 21 feet, 3 shots (2 into one hole). :D

[MrMickeysMom]

25. You see, it was "OPPOSITE" day when he/she posted that.

:o