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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:24 PM
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Does this mean Bush can go after MoveOn.org?




http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/09/lieberman-blast.html

ABC News' Jake Tapper Reports: Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., is challenging the Democratic leadership to denounce Moveon.org's attack on Gen. Petraeus in a New York Times ad, in which the liberal antiwar group refers to him as "General Betray-us."

"We must reject the slander of this brave soldier and patriot," says Lieberman, who called the labeled the ad "an outrageous and despicable act of slander."

White House spokesperson Tony Snow chimed, saying, "It's a boorish, childish, unworthy attack," before also calling on members of Congress to condemn the ad.



http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html

Executive Order: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)(IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)(NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,

I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that, due to the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people, it is in the interests of the United States to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 of May 22, 2003, and expanded in Executive Order 13315 of August 28, 2003, and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13350 of July 29, 2004, and Executive Order 13364 of November 29, 2004. I hereby order:

...

(B) undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people;

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:30 PM
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1. Move on is a 527
And by law 527's cannot coordinate with political parties or candidates. I think that's a bad law, but as of now, it's the law. The Democratic Party, or any other politician, cannot "order" the ad off the air.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:31 PM
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3. I was wondering (half jokingly) if they could apply the EO...
claiming MoveOn is "undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq"

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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:31 PM
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2. So the partisan attack on the war hero John Kerry
was not childest, boorish and an unworthy attack. One sanctioned and paid for by bush, rove and the RNC as much as they denied it.

That was really in my mind treason. But then the bush white house has gotten away with a lot of treasonist acts and never been held accountable.

I wish to goodness there was just one lawyer, one judge, one court that would put these inhuman monsters in a jail for the rest of their miserable lives.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:36 PM
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4. Exactly
I like Move On's new ad
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:42 PM
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6. Petraeus isn't running for office
And yes, the attacks on Kerry were childish, boorish and unworthy. And wouldn't it have been great if the Dem leadership and the left would have rallied behind him instead of attacking him.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:46 PM
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7. You are exposing the hypocrisy that is the Republican Party.
The party of "Do as I say, not as I do."

If they held themselves to their own standards, they'd all have their heads exploding from the high blood pressure!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:47 PM
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8. Except two wrongs don't make a right
The attacks on Senator Kerry were wrong and this attack on Petraeus is wrong. It would be much better to wait to here what he says and then - if refute his information or conclusions - if justified by what he says.

In one way, this is different from the SBVT ads - they hurt us - giving the Republicans what they wanted. That ad will likely hurt us.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 01:31 PM
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11. I disagree
A majority of Americans believe Petraeus is not being truthful on Iraq, they also believe the report Petraeus is giving was written by the WH.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 01:42 PM
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13. Then say that and back up the case -
Edited on Mon Sep-10-07 01:43 PM by karynnj
First wait until he says it.

The name calling has completely become the story. It will likely make it HARDER for Democrats to get out the point they need to get out - The escalation did not accomplish its goal of helping the Iraqis meet political goals.

The story will likely first be:

- The Democrats attacked a 4 star general in a childish way - calling him a liar and a traitor.

then, they will follow up with looking at whether he was accurate on military comments. (The answer will likely be that the "facts" will be cherry picked, but will be accuate in a narrow sense.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:38 PM
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5. Hell, I'll bet more people sign up with MoveOn.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:47 PM
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9. wait a minute...
Who the hell is Joe Lieberman to be calling on Democrats to do anything? I'm so sick of this jackass calling the shots when he's a whackjob neo-con chickenhawk. I hope we can get enough of a majority next year so we can throw this bastard into the trash heap of history and make his baby-boy tantrums a thing of the past.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 01:33 PM
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12. It'll happen.
We just need to get a true majority, then he'll be kicked to the curb.

I can't wait.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 01:05 PM
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10. I think it does
But more importantly it allows the detention and criminalize "Whistle Blowers" on waste and corruption of the "No Bid" government contracts
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