I consider moveon a paper tiger.

[liberaldemocrat7]

While I support moveon and code pink in their speaking out they appear more or less paper tigers. I do admire the code pink women who take the risk and speak out against the war in a congressional hearing room. I do admire that.

However the Repuublican wheels keep turning on their War and death machine which figuratively runs on oil.


When will people at moveon and code pink learn that Republicans get their money from major corporations and they should take their fight to the corporations that fund them and sponsor phone in campaigns to these corporations and massive boycotts.

Unfortunately these organizations only give us lefties bread and circuses while the Republiklan party sociopathy continues.

[groovedaddy]

1. Too much duplication and not just from moveon.org

They send me actions via email that I've already received from other organizations and acted on.

[TreasonousBastard]

2. Yeah. I've sent them money and been to their events, but...

they're still just a bunch of electrons moving around in space trying to find a place to land.

Part of it is our side's general refusal to actually get together and do stuff that will make a positive impact. That's just to damn hard to organize-- easier to get a letter-writing campaign or plop into a Congressional hearing than actually find out what really gets a congresscritter to agree with us.

Real lobbying and influence isn't for the faint of heart or the part-timer, and this is really where we fall down. Not entirely our fault, we just don't have the resources that the big guys have to hire professional lobbyists and buy influence.

[liberaldemocrat7]

3. Even a letter campaign appears better than nothing if they only would issue a boycott threat

to GOP contributors like GE and Exxon/Mobil about ending this war.

IF moveon threatened boycotts they would stop acting like a paper tiger.

[EFerrari]

5. Code Pink has rented a place in DC and cycles activists in and out.

I know most of the core organizers and I've nothing but respect for these not-funded-by-crooks women.

[liberaldemocrat7]

17. I like what Code pink does.

However they need to do more and get people to call GE.

Republicans and moderate Democrats don't want this want to end and they appear a majority in congress despite the Democrats holding administratively both houses of congress.

With a vetoing President, I find it unlikely that this war will end unless we begin to take the fight to the corporations like GE that give money to the GOP and also make money from the war.

Just about everyone should call GE and demand their CEO get Bush to end the war and never buy another GE product until Bush ends the war and then resigns with Cheney.

[EFerrari]

4. Yet another thread criticizing real activists.

Hmm.

[liberaldemocrat7]

6. Yes legitimately criticizing you.

Look at your signature quote.


When lately have you called GOP collaborator GE and made a demand of them to help get his war ended and get Bush and Cheney to resign under penalty of losing your business. When have you organized other people to make this specific demand?

Why won't moveon and code pink take the fight to GE with a phone in campaign to demand GE CEO Immel get Bush to end the war and then resign with Cheney under penalty of losing their business.

[EFerrari]

7. I wonder why you'd think it appropriate to browbeat other people

for not doing what you clearly aren't willing to do?

That's hilarious.

[Javaman]

8. Touche'

Great responce!!

[liberaldemocrat7]

9. AU CONTRAIRE I have called GE and I have told other people to call GE.

What have you done to call GE and to get other people to call GE?

[EFerrari]

10. Maybe instead of browbeating people, you could try

enlisting them. That would be a good start.

[liberaldemocrat7]

11. Oh I have done alot to enlist people to call GE on here.

Crickets make a much louder sound on DU when it comes to calling GE or other GOP contributors on the war and other isues like a minimunm wage, paper ballots with mail in voting, getting a real prescription drug benefit for retired and disabled people, and saving social security, and enacting a law to legalize abortions as opposed to only having a supreme court decision.

I don't browbeat, I criticize.

[EFerrari]

12. When you get an action plan together, I'd like to see it.

And now I'll go back to the work I need to do for our 9/15 local event. Best of luck to you.

[liberaldemocrat7]

14. Here's my action plan. Very simple.

1.

Call GOP contributor and war contractor General Electric Corporation at 203 373 2211 and ask for the public relations department. Tell the person in public relations that you want the GE CEO to get Bush to end the war in Iraq and then Bush resign with Cheney and until that happens you will not buy any GE products and that you also told your friends about this.


2.

Copy and paste the letter below and email it directly to [e-mail] the Republican Party and get 2 friends to send this letter and have those 2 friends get 2 friends to send it and so on. Thank you. Drop me a message to [e-mail] with the subject Done after you have sent the email.

Hello

Get your Republican party to end the war in Iraq, with Bush and Cheney resigning, and until you do we stop buying televisions, refrigerators, stoves, ovens, dishwashers, dvd players, stereo equipment, light bulbs from one of your party's major contributors and War contractors General Electric Corporation ( 203 373 2211 ) who cannot afford to lose a large sector of the publics business and money.



As for the Sept. 15 event, it will not stop the war. You will get to network and meet alot of people but it will not end the war.

Get people to use my action plan and watch what happens.

[EFerrari]

15. Sounds like a good plan. When you are up for putting it in motion.

I will support it.

[liberaldemocrat7]

16. I have put it in motion on here for people to make calls and send emails.

Where else can I put it into motion?

[stillcool]

13. Big business has always...

been a large part of our political system...otherwise the corporations would not be where they are today. Government interventions on behalf of business are the basis for countless investigations. It is only when the government gets caught and it's dirty deeds are exposed to the public that the extent of corruption rises to the surface.

"The Saga of Hog Island,1917-1921: The Story of the First Great War Boondoggle"
by James J. Martin
http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/hogisle.shtml

Regarding Boycotting GE...
The General Electric Company, or GE, {{nyse|GE}} is a multinational technology and services company. Going into 2005, it was the world's largest corporation in terms of market cap (http://screen.yahoo.com/b?mc=100000000/&b=1&z=mc&db=stocks&vw=1). However, on the back of high oil prices, ExxonMobil has outranked GE for most of 2005. It should not be confused with The General Electric Company plc, which was renamed Marconi plc in 1999.

GE subsidiaries
List of assets owned by General Electric

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

* Access Distribution
* GE Advanced Materials
* GE Capital IT Solutions
* GE Capital Rail Services
* GECAS
* GE Commercial Finance
* GE Consumer & Industrial
* GE Consumer Finance
* GE Energy
* GE Engine Services, Inc.
* GE Equipment Services
* GE Fanuc Automation North America, Inc.
* GE Financial Assurance Holdings, Inc.
* GE Franchise Finance Corporation
* GE Global Research
* GE Healthcare
* GE Infrastructure
* GE Insurance
* GE Money
* GE Osmonics
* GE SeaCo SRL
* GE Security
* GE Small Business Finance Corporation
* GE Supply
* GE Transportation
* General Electric Mortgage Insurance Corporation
* Global Nuclear Fuel - Japan Co., Ltd.
* HPSC, Inc.
* Instrumentarium Corporation
* MRA Systems, Inc.
* NBC Universal, Inc.
* Transport International Pool Inc.
* WMC Mortgage Corp.

Through these businesses, GE participates in a wide variety of markets including the generation, transmission and distribution of electricity, lighting, industrial automation, medical imaging equipment, motors, railway locomotives, aircraft jet engines, aviation services and materials such as plastics, silicones and abrasives. It was co-founder and is 80% owner (with Vivendi Universal) of NBC Universal, the National Broadcasting Company. As GE Commercial Finance, GE Consumer Finance, GE Equipment Services, and GE Insurance it offers a range of financial services as well. It has a presence in over 100 countries.

Interestingly, over half of GE's revenue is derived from financial services, ostensibly making it a financial company with a manufacturing arm. It is also one of the largest lenders in countries other than the United States, such as Japan. Even though the first wave of conglomerates (such as ITT, Ling-Temco-Vought, Tenneco, etc) fell by the wayside by the mid-1980s, in the late 1990s, another wave (consisting of Westinghouse, Tyco, and others) tried and failed to emulate GE's success.