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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:31 PM
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The Lessons of Today's Stunning New Lieberman Poll
Sent out to Sirota's mailing list today. Thanks Connecticut voters! :banghead:

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1337

The Lessons of Today's Stunning New Lieberman Poll


By David Sirota
OpenLeft/Working Assets, 9/13/07

According to a stunning new poll released today by the nonpartisan firm Research 2000, if Connecticut's 2006 Senate general election was re-run and happened today, Ned Lamont would defeat Sen. Joe Lieberman handily. What is of particular significance in the numbers is that the shift is due precisely to the deception that Lamont supporters had been exposing during the campaign - but which reporters refused to cover both during the race and in the post-election analysis. This deception on the issue of Iraq goes straight to how the media and political Establishment will do anything to keep this war going. And the two lessons that come out of this poll after looking at its details are worth remembering.

As the poll shows, if the race were held today, Lamont would garner 48 percent of the vote, Lieberman just 40 percent and Republican Alan Schlesinger would get 10 percent. This represents roughly a 16-18 point swing from the actual results (Lieberman 49, Lamont 40, Schlesinger 10), and according to today's poll, the major shift from Lamont to Lieberman would be among Democratic and Independent voters.

You may recall that in a post-election analysis I wrote for In These Times after working for Lamont, I noted that Lieberman's entire general election strategy was about pretending that, if reelected, he would lead the fight to end the Iraq War. The man literally portrayed himself as the leader of the antiwar movement after he lost the primary. His very first ad in the general election was him looking to camera saying ""I want to help end the war in Iraq." During debates he said "No one wants to end the war in Iraq more than I do." It was, as a well-known YouTube video showed, a positively Nixonian enterprise by Lieberman - and it was a deliberate effort to confuse precisely the same Democratic and Independent voters who now say they would vote for Lamont. As I reported:

"Our internal polling showed that somewhere between 12 and 15 percent of the population said they simultaneously opposed the war and supported Lieberman's position on the war-a signal that Lieberman's confusion campaign was working."


During the campaign, we did all that we could to point out how Lieberman was lying about his position on the war through as many venues as possible - blogs, candidate speeches, and television advertising making the point that "a vote for Lieberman means a vote for more war" (an ad that Lieberman actually held a special press conference to attack for supposedly being not true). But in the general election's stretch run, the independent validators in the race - the local and national media - refused to report on Lieberman's actual positions and votes continuing to support Bush and the war, and this key slice of Democratic and Independent voters remained confused. They voted for Lieberman because they believed that he perhaps had been pro-war before, but had changed - when in fact the only thing that had changed temporarily was his language, but not his actions.

But now this key group of Democrats and Independents isn't confused anymore because, since the election (and, as predicted) Lieberman has become even more supportive of the Iraq War, and is actually publicly pushing a war with Iran.

There are two major lessons from this, beyond the fact that as politicians become more supportive of President Bush's war in Iraq and more supportive of a war in Iran, the more unpopular they become.

First, craven politicians like Lieberman will do anything they can to confuse the public about their positions on the war - and they can succeed if the major media refuses to ask them questions or consistently highlight their hypocrisy. Especially on Iraq, we know that deference and stenography are now standard operating procedure. Remember, it was New York Times' chief White House correspondent Elisabeth Bumiller who said that when it comes to the war, journalists are "very deferential because…it's live, it's very intense, it's frightening to stand up there" and ask politicians tough questions. And you can bet the effort to confuse the public is only going to intensify from both political parties in the coming weeks with the debate over the Iraq War in Congress. We are already seeing politicians trying to pretend that non-binding measures that do nothing to end the war are actually ironclad efforts that will end the war.

Second, this poll should remind us why new and alternative media are so important. We have to continue to develop as many communications resources to get the real story out about all politicians of all parties - Republican, Democrat and Connecticut for Lieberman. We need as many communications tools as possible so that we don't always have to rely on media intermediaries to get the truth out. We need conduits that circumvent those intermediaries to get the truth out - directly (The fact that Markos had to commission this poll in absence of any news organization doing it is just another reminder of why we need said conduits - and thanks for doing it Markos!).

Had Connecticut voters had more information about exactly how Lieberman's campaign to reinvent himself as an antiwar leader was a complete sham, that key segment of the Democratic and Independent voters might not have been confused, and the election - as the poll now confirms - would have gone the other way.

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:37 PM
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1. K & R!
We need our own echo chamber. And again, where the HELL are our wealthy Dems to build the needed infrastructure?
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:03 PM
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2. too late assholes
lemmings.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 11:11 PM
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13. Not everyone has the time or resources to look past the façades.
I have to give the BOTD. The fault of the deception lies entirely on the head of Lieberman.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:07 PM
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3. The Netroots and Firedoglake can pat themselves on the back for helping Lamont lose.
The ONLY issue they cared about was the Iraq War and Lamont was tagged as the "anti-war" candidate because of that.

And DU'ers/bloggists are mistaken when they think that getting out of Iraq NOW was the core issue voters cared about last election.

Or this election.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:14 PM
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5. What the hell are you talking about???
:crazy:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:39 PM
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7. Who knows?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:45 PM
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9. It sounds like he's saying that Dems shouldn't come out against the war because it's too popular
But of course, no one would be that stupid. :eyes:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:56 PM
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10. I think it's..
"We're mistaken if we think Iraq is the core issue in 2004 or this coming election".

It is however my core issue and moving outward in all directions.

And it's "she".
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:59 PM
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11. She? huh.
Not to broadbrush my own gender, but it usually takes an overdose of testosterone to get things so catastrophically wrong.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 11:11 PM
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12. Not even..
:)
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:42 PM
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8. But wasn't Ned Lamont's campaign built on it being anti-war?
What was he offering that was different than Joe Lieberman's stance on Iraq?
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 11:33 PM
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14. why did the democrats gain control of congress?
because the american ppl wanted to continue with Bush's folly? Is that why so many are now so disappointed with Congress... because ppl thought they were electing democrats in order to deal with the mess-o-po-tamia?

if that was not the reason, can you tell me why Republicans lost control of Congress?

also, since Lieberman LOST in the democratic primary and REFUSED to honor the will of the people in his party in his state, choosing instead to run as an "independent" -- I don't understand how Lieberman could LOSE the primary and you can say that netroots somehow hurt Lamont. I wonder how many ppl around the nation would have even heard of Lamont w/o bloggers.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 11:36 PM
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15. Your statement makes no sense what so ever
The WHOLE point of this article is that now that CT has realized that LIEberman's portrayal of himself, during the campaign, as anti-war too is a BIG FAT LIE - they would have voted against him in large enough numbers to change the results.

"Had Connecticut voters had more information about exactly how Lieberman's campaign to reinvent himself as an antiwar leader was a complete sham, that key segment of the Democratic and Independent voters might not have been confused, and the election - as the poll now confirms - would have gone the other way."

You couldn't be more wrong that DUers/bloggists are mistaken when they think that getting out of Iraq NOW was the core issue voters cared about in the last election.

The way I see it there are two reasons why the Dems took control of the House and Senate - and NOBODY in their right mind even imagine taking the Senate was even a possibility -

1. Get us out of Iraq and 2. clean up the outrageous corruption - ie investigate investigate investigate - at least the Dems have been getting that right - except it seems now that Gonzales has resigned that may come to a screeching hualt...let's hope not, but I'm pretty concerned about that.

So I'm curious what do you think the core issue was - now and for the next election?
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 12:02 AM
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17. google "rape gurney joe".
click the 2nd link.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:08 PM
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4. Alan Schlesinger - there's a bit of political trivia
I'll bet hardly anyone could tell you the name of the Connecticut GOP candidate in 2004.

The invisible man.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:38 PM
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6. Well, at least we're not living
in some Twilight Zone where the voters of Connecticut would still vote lieman in as indyjoe.

Could happen..the media could be so fucked up there in Connecticut that voters would believer ol' lieman's doin' great(yeah right).

I was just posting about these voters this morning when I got on the "political video" thread about lieman & coulter.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x53762

"zidzi (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-13-07 03:47 PM
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4. I won't be watching this for
reasons of self preservation but it's good to know who the enemy is.

lieman couldn't be sticking it to the people of Connecticut anymore than he is.

leeann rimes..too bad you're a dumbshit and troy gentry..never heard of him but I see upthread he's a headcase too.

I'd pity these people if they weren't part of the problem of our country being dragged in the gutter..except lieman, of course..karma couldn't be too stern for him."


Scary to think about.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 11:38 PM
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16. A most excellent excellent post. Thank you.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 12:04 AM
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18. poor joe, he and his woman could not bear the thought of living as...
common americans :cry: so he lied his ass back in :thumbsup:
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