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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:53 PM
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Listening to MacCullife on Blitzer... More of the same
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 12:54 PM by Windy
Hillary is an old school politician and an "insider". It is no accident that her husband has been very cozy with the bushes.

If she gets the nomination, I will vote for her above a republican, but only with my nose firmly pinched.

She nuances every answer especially about her Iraq war vote.

We don't need spin. A little honesty in government would be nice for a change.

Just the fact that her money coffers are being filled so rapidly with big ticket donors is enough to make her suspect. I think she is motivated by power as opposed to really wanting to make a difference and change the face of Washington politics for the betterment of the population.

Flame away if you must, but I wish we had a different woman running as the first example of gender like Boxer for example.

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:55 PM
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1. I'm getting sick of being told
that she has a great sense of humor.
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rusty charly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:57 PM
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2. "there's a reason it keeps coming up"
"It's clear that this question about her vote -- and its frequent repetition -- is irritating not only to Senator Clinton, but to many of her supporters. However, there's a reason it keeps coming up: she hasn't given a good answer.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/2/11/04359/5889

By that I don't mean "she hasn't given the answer I want to hear," I mean that the implications of her answer go beyond her unwillingness to voice the word "mistake" in reference to her vote. Worst of all, her answers show that she either can't manage to, or refuses to, grasp the real nature of the question.

In asking for a repudiation of that 2002 vote, the issue is not if she would vote the same way today knowing that all the claims of WMDs and ties to al Qaeda were false. Few politicians – and no Democrat I'm aware of -- would be foolish enough to make that statement. Neither is the issue the president's mismanagement of the war, which is so little in doubt that the administration itself is now grudgingly confessing some sins.

No. This question, this irritating question that some people just won't let go, isn't a check for 20-20 hindsight. Neither is it a request for judgment on the administration's effectiveness in matters strategic or tactical. The question, Senator Clinton, is have you learned anything? Have you learned that to authorize war is always a last resort, not a first, or seventh, or seven times seventh. Have you learned that it's not okay to allow fear – including fear for your career in politics – to herd you along with the crowd. Have you learned that good judgment isn't just avoiding error. it's acknowledging that an error has been made and working promptly to correct it.

We're not worried about your refusal to say you were wrong. We're worried that you still might think you were right. And that, Senator, is a problem."
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:59 PM
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3. She is NOT the shoe-in that the media and the repugs think she is.
"We're not worried about your refusal to say you were wrong. We're worried that you still might think you were right. And that, Senator, is a problem."

This is the CRITICAL issue!
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 01:01 PM
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4. Is This The Best Spokesperson For Her???
Good Old Terry's been getting lots of face time on the tube lately...playing Hillary's alter-ego...attempting to say the "she didn't mean this, she meant that" game.

I know the dude can talk money out of anyone's pants...but this guy was a disaster at the DNC and definitely isn't doing his candidate any good with this non-committted Democrat. It's time for Hillary to do her own talking...and say what the Democratic voters want to hear.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 01:20 PM
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5. She needs to mean what she says and not just pander....
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Little Wing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 01:35 PM
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7. Yes, hopefully he'll run yet another shit campaign and drag her down
with him. He's an idiot mouth-breather, totally useless, totally disconnected. Chat this!
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 01:37 PM
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9. He's promoting his book
which is the reason he's been out there so much the past few weeks. I would imagine that it won't be like this for the whole campaign.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 01:46 PM
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10. Then Stick To The Book
Seems like he wanted me to cough up money for Hillary '08 rather than for his book. True, he's got a book out, but that's not what the focus on that interview was...and both he, Wolfie and surely Hillary knew it. He was there being her proxy.

Hopefully Hillary is smart enough to know how toxic McAuliffe is to any campaign...not just with Repugnican, but with many of us Democrats who saw him as a cause, not a cure of past party problems.

Welcome to DU

:hi:
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hopein08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 01:33 PM
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6. I agree with you, Windy. But I don't know of any truly viable candidate that doesn't...
nuance every answer, especially in regard to Iraq. And I don't know of any candidate that doesn't spin to the audience they happen to be speaking to at the moment.

And, before anybody protests, I know Kucinich and possibly Gravel don't nuance and spin nearly as much but they honestly aren't top candidates. I will likely vote for one of them in the primary if they're still in it when my primary rolls around. And, in anyone from Pennsylvania reads this or anyone happens to know, is the PA primary scheduled yet?

But I'm supsicious of her money issues too. Did they ever release the names of the big donors?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 01:37 PM
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8. I wish Hillary would stop play-acting
I want the real Hillary. I want her to stop trying to reconfigure herself into some sort of imagined ideal and just be herself.
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